Frieza's race and the lack of organs

[StrymULTRA]

Greetings. I have noticed something which is pretty odd about Frieza himself, and the following revision will affect also his race in general.

The following thread will try to introduce the fact that Frieza's race is consistently showcased as without organs in all the medias, with their physiology being more like an unique mass of flesh which is held together from their exoskeleton.

OG Manga

Let's start with the original source. I'll use the full color here so we cannot use colors as excuse.

Frieza's tail has shown no sign of bone after being cut in Chapter 299



Frieza is showcased as without organs in Chapter 326, when he accidentally cuts himself in half.



In Chapters 331 and 332, Frieza's organs are not showcased either, despite the internal system of the mechanic parts are instead shown.



Still in Chapter 332, King Cold has not shown any kind of internal organ either.



Toei Anime

The things here are much more censored compared to the anime, but even here, we got the same thing, as shown:

• With Frieza's tail
• Frieza's body on Namek
• Frieza's body on Earth (notice how there are metallic parts inside his body as well)
• King Cold

Dragon Ball Heroes

Even in the Chapter 2 of the Dark Demon Realm arc, Frieza is showcased without organs after being bisected.



Resurrection F

In all the versions of this story arc, his body has been potrayed as some slimy thing when he got back to life in pieces, with said pieces being uniform flesh with no real organ in it.

• In the movie he has been shown as "cubes" of flesh, which can be taken as solid objects with no true distinction between them except the eyeballs and later he's not showcased with any real organ, but more an unique amount of flesh.
• Same thing in the DBS counterpart.
• Same with the Manga counterpart.

So yeah, it's kinda consistent the fact he lacks organs and bones.

Debunking the counters

It's only censorship.

The main argument against this is from the fact that characters like Tien are potrayed in a similar way when their bodies are torn apart. Issue is that Dragon Ball in itself does indeed show organs or skeleton, such as:

• Saibamen being reduced to a skeleton from Piccolo
• Saibaman made explode from Vegeta, with all the organs being scattred everywhere
• Guldo's bone is shown when Vegeta decapitates him
• Cell Jr's organs are shown when Gohan kills them
• Babidi makes Spopovich explode, with his organs being shown.

Edit: Some new ones that people pointed at in the thread

• C17 stomping on Dr. Gero's exposed brain.
• A woman's interstined are showed after that she was bisected.
• The bone of a dinosaur's tail is shown when it was cut off.

So yeah, Toriyama draws organs when it needs to be, and yet it never happened with Frieza even once.

Frieza has still showcased some kind of organs against Goku

The thing comes from this, but there are two issues here.

1. If he had organs, all of those would have dropped to the ground from his upper part of the body.
2. Those "strings" seem more things which held his body together as shown in the Resurrection F movie

So yeah, Frieza has no organs nor bones, and he's consistently potrayed as such.

TLDR

Frieza should get Minor Resistance to Biological Manipulation and Immunity to Bone Manipulation.

Profiles who get this are:

• Frieza
• Chou Frieza
• Cooler
• King Cold
• Chilled
• Kuriza

Staff Votes

1 Agreement (@DarkDragonMedeus)
1 Neutral (@LephyrTheRevanchist)
1 Disgreement (@Damage3245)

 

[ShionAH]

Seems straight forward

 

[AguilaR202]

Freeza has a skull in fusion reborn.
Also reaching, biological manip not working on him would be because of the limit of ones ability instead of any inherent resistance from Freeza

 

[ShionAH]

Now that I think about it should just be listed on his profile but not as a resistance just as a note.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Seems straight forward

This seems like a trap, you straight up agreed after the OP posted it before some seconds, tf is that

 

[StrymULTRA]

Now that I think about it should just be listed on his profile but not as a resistance just as a note.

Flowey has Immunity to Soul hax coz he lacks a soul, so Frieza should get a resistance to this because of him lacking organs, so stuff which targets them (like Hit's attacks) shouldn't affect him.

 

[ImmortalDread]

We need to call @Damage3245 to evaluate this DB thread (the only current staff member that I trust on DB threads)

 

[ShionAH]

This seems like a trap, you straight up agreed after the OP posted it before some seconds, tf is that

This is gonna be hard to prove but I accidenly clicked that thunder icon that shows whats new and saw @StrymULTRA and since he is my friend Atleast I hope so, I just clicked it and it seemed pretty straight forward

Flowey has Immunity to Soul hax coz he lacks a soul, so Frieza should get a resistance to this because of him lacking organs, so stuff which targets them (like Hit's attacks) shouldn't affect him.

I didnt see the minor part. If its limited then I agree

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Freeza has a skull in fusion reborn.
Also reaching, biological manip not working on him would be because of the limit of ones ability instead of any inherent resistance from Freeza

Scan?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

We need to call @Damage3245 to evaluate this DB thread (the only current staff member that I trust on DB threads)

what about me, asshole?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Scan?

I legit saw again the scene of Gohan killing him and Frieza just explodes, without showing nothing.

Besides it'd be inconsistent with the RoF events.

 

[ImmortalDread]

what about me, asshole?

You and Damage = best combo ngl (also yes, I have called you, but in my heart, u should have listened)

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I legit saw again the scene of Gohan killing him and Frieza just explodes, without showing nothing.

Besides it'd be inconsistent with the RoF events.

Ah okay I agree then

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Alright, but jokes aside, I'm honestly quite neutral here. The DBS showing is honestly the best one, and should likely also be further justification for his Type 2 Immortality.

 

[AguilaR202]

I legit saw again the scene of Gohan killing him and Frieza just explodes, without showing nothing.

Besides it'd be inconsistent with the RoF events.

Yeah you’re right, my bad.
The following scene had a skull rolling on the ground which I misremembered as belonging to Freezas.

 

[Damage3245]

The main argument against this is from the fact that characters like Tien are potrayed in a similar way when their bodies are torn apart.

Unfortunately this scan of Tien is kind of making me lean against the proposal... If it can happen for Tien, it can happen for Frieza, yeah.

Frieza has still showcased some kind of organs against Goku

The thing comes from this, but there are two issues here.

1. If he had organs, all of those would have dropped to the ground from his upper part of the body.

Not necessarily. Just because they're organs doesn't mean they'd fall straight out of his body; they'd still be connected to his upper half hence why they're only slightly drooping down and not completely separating from him.



I don't think the evidence given in the OP is solid enough for me to conclude that Frieza is completely lacking in internal organs and a skeletal structure. Granted, Frieza is an alien so we can't be making any absolute assumptions about his internal anatomy works, but I would not grant him the proposed Resistances.

 

[ImmortalDread]

I agree with @Damage3245

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Greetings. I have noticed something which is pretty odd about Frieza himself, and the following revision will affect also his race in general.

The following thread will try to introduce the fact that Frieza's race is consistently showcased as without organs in all the medias, with their physiology being more like an unique mass of flesh which is held together from their exoskeleton.

OG Manga

Let's start with the original source. I'll use the full color here so we cannot use colors as excuse.

Frieza's tail has shown no sign of bone after being cut in Chapter 299



Frieza is showcased as without organs in Chapter 326, when he accidentally cuts himself in half.



In Chapters 331 and 332, Frieza's organs are not showcased either, despite the internal system of the mechanic parts are instead shown.



Still in Chapter 332, King Cold has not shown any kind of internal organ either.



Toei Anime

The things here are much more censored compared to the anime, but even here, we got the same thing, as shown:

• With Frieza's tail
• Frieza's body on Namek
• Frieza's body on Earth (notice how there are metallic parts inside his body as well)
• King Cold

Dragon Ball Heroes

Even in the Chapter 2 of the Dark Demon Realm arc, Frieza is showcased without organs after being bisected.



Resurrection F

In all the versions of this story arc, his body has been potrayed as some slimy thing when he got back to life in pieces, with said pieces being uniform flesh with no real organ in it.

• In the movie he has been shown as "cubes" of flesh, which can be taken as solid objects with no true distinction between them except the eyeballs and later he's not showcased with any real organ, but more an unique amount of flesh.
• Same thing in the DBS counterpart.
• Same with the Manga counterpart.

So yeah, it's kinda consistent the fact he lacks organs and bones.

Debunking the counters

It's only censorship.

The main argument against this is from the fact that characters like Tien are potrayed in a similar way when their bodies are torn apart. Issue is that Dragon Ball in itself does indeed show organs or skeleton, such as:

• Saibamen being reduced to a skeleton from Piccolo
• Saibaman made explode from Vegeta, with all the organs being scattred everywhere
• Guldo's bone is shown when Vegeta decapitates him
• Cell Jr's organs are shown when Gohan kills them
• Babidi makes Spopovich explode, with his organs being shown.

So yeah, Toriyama draws organs when it needs to be, and yet it never happened with Frieza even once.

Frieza has still showcased some kind of organs against Goku

The thing comes from this, but there are two issues here.

1. If he had organs, all of those would have dropped to the ground from his upper part of the body.
2. Those "strings" seem more things which held his body together as shown in the Resurrection F movie

So yeah, Frieza has no organs nor bones, and he's consistently potrayed as such.

TLDR

Frieza should get Minor Resistance to Biological Manipulation and Immunity to Bone Manipulation.

Profiles who get this are:

• Frieza
• Chou Frieza
• Cooler
• King Cold
• Chilled
• Kuriza

And that's all.

Agree with this thread, probably why frieza's race is so damn durable

 

[StrymULTRA]

Unfortunately this scan of Tien is kind of making me lean against the proposal... If it can happen for Tien, it can happen for Frieza, yeah.

Uhm, no? I mean, Tien obviously has a human anatomy, but for Frieza you can't just ignore everything I just listed.

Not necessarily. Just because they're organs doesn't mean they'd fall straight out of his body; they'd still be connected to his upper half hence why they're only slightly drooping down and not completely separating from him.

No one had their organs stand still in Dragon Ball though. Plus, the entire DBS part is against this.

I don't think the evidence given in the OP is solid enough for me to conclude that Frieza is completely lacking in internal organs and a skeletal structure. Granted, Frieza is an alien so we can't be making any absolute assumptions about his internal anatomy works, but I would not grant him the proposed Resistances.

This entire thing is "I don't think it is, so it's not". Not a counter here.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I completely agree with everything, this is excellent work, Hmmmmm... Hmmmmm... Hmm

 

[Damage3245]

@StrymULTRA I'm just saying that the evidence doesn't convince me for a Resistance to Biological Manipulation and Immunity to Bone Manipulation when it can plausibly be censorship, and we get a visual of what appears to be organs when Frieza is cut in half and floating.

Goku gets a hole blasted straight through his torso and it's not like we see ribs or organs inside the hole.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Hey, Damage, what do you think of the DBS part where he's a bunch of cubes? Should it be used as further justification for his immortality type 2?

 

[StrymULTRA]

and we get a visual of what appears to be organs when Frieza is cut in half and floating.

Which is already shown later what it is in DBS.

Goku gets a hole blasted straight through his torso and it's not like we see ribs or organs inside the hole.

Which is clearly not the same case, as there is censorship, instead with Frieza is a whole different thing.

Besides, humans showcasing organs is already a thing even after the Namek arc lol.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Hey, Damage, what do you think of the DBS part where he's a bunch of cubes? Should it be used as further justification for his immortality type 2?

Which part? Mind showing me the scan, so I can't be confused.

 

[StrymULTRA]

^This guys is a proof that if you don't read the OP, your opinion does not matter, but since I am a very good man, I shall make it easy.

Resurrection F

In all the versions of this story arc, his body has been potrayed as some slimy thing when he got back to life in pieces, with said pieces being uniform flesh with no real organ in it.

• In the movie he has been shown as "cubes" of flesh, which can be taken as solid objects with no true distinction between them except the eyeballs and later he's not showcased with any real organ, but more an unique amount of flesh.
• Same thing in the DBS counterpart.
• Same with the Manga counterpart.

So yeah, it's kinda consistent the fact he lacks organs and bones.

Here.

 

[ImmortalDread]

I don't see how is this immortality type 2, if the scan implied it is resurrection unless he has done that multiple times, @LephyrTheRevanchist

 

[Damage3245]

Hey, Damage, what do you think of the DBS part where he's a bunch of cubes? Should it be used as further justification for his immortality type 2?

I think that is fair as further justification for his Immortality, yeah.

I don't see how is this immortality type 2, if the scan implied it is resurrection unless he has done that multiple times, @LephyrTheRevanchist

Frieza already has Immortality Type 2.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I think that is fair as further justification for his Immortality, yeah.

Thank you.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Frieza already has Immortality Type 2.

Sounds fair, then.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

^This guys is a proof that if you don't read the OP, your opinion does not matter, but since I am a very good man, I shall make it easy.

Here.

I think that is fair as further justification for his Immortality, yeah.



Frieza already has Immortality Type 2.

Damage, and this justification here we cannot deny the Op, to me it seems a lot like that, could you give it another chance?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Damage, and this justification here we cannot deny the Op, to me it seems a lot like that, could you give it another chance?

I've called @Maverick_Zero_X and @DarkDragonMedeus to check too.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I've called @Maverick_Zero_X and @DarkDragonMedeus to check too.

Good brother

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Greetings. I have noticed something which is pretty odd about Frieza himself, and the following revision will affect also his race in general.

The following thread will try to introduce the fact that Frieza's race is consistently showcased as without organs in all the medias, with their physiology being more like an unique mass of flesh which is held together from their exoskeleton.

OG Manga

Let's start with the original source. I'll use the full color here so we cannot use colors as excuse.

Frieza's tail has shown no sign of bone after being cut in Chapter 299



Frieza is showcased as without organs in Chapter 326, when he accidentally cuts himself in half.



In Chapters 331 and 332, Frieza's organs are not showcased either, despite the internal system of the mechanic parts are instead shown.



Still in Chapter 332, King Cold has not shown any kind of internal organ either.



Toei Anime

The things here are much more censored compared to the anime, but even here, we got the same thing, as shown:

• With Frieza's tail
• Frieza's body on Namek
• Frieza's body on Earth (notice how there are metallic parts inside his body as well)
• King Cold

Dragon Ball Heroes

Even in the Chapter 2 of the Dark Demon Realm arc, Frieza is showcased without organs after being bisected.



Resurrection F

In all the versions of this story arc, his body has been potrayed as some slimy thing when he got back to life in pieces, with said pieces being uniform flesh with no real organ in it.

• In the movie he has been shown as "cubes" of flesh, which can be taken as solid objects with no true distinction between them except the eyeballs and later he's not showcased with any real organ, but more an unique amount of flesh.
• Same thing in the DBS counterpart.
• Same with the Manga counterpart.

So yeah, it's kinda consistent the fact he lacks organs and bones.

Debunking the counters

It's only censorship.

The main argument against this is from the fact that characters like Tien are potrayed in a similar way when their bodies are torn apart. Issue is that Dragon Ball in itself does indeed show organs or skeleton, such as:

• Saibamen being reduced to a skeleton from Piccolo
• Saibaman made explode from Vegeta, with all the organs being scattred everywhere
• Guldo's bone is shown when Vegeta decapitates him
• Cell Jr's organs are shown when Gohan kills them
• Babidi makes Spopovich explode, with his organs being shown.

So yeah, Toriyama draws organs when it needs to be, and yet it never happened with Frieza even once.

Frieza has still showcased some kind of organs against Goku

The thing comes from this, but there are two issues here.

1. If he had organs, all of those would have dropped to the ground from his upper part of the body.
2. Those "strings" seem more things which held his body together as shown in the Resurrection F movie

So yeah, Frieza has no organs nor bones, and he's consistently potrayed as such.

TLDR

Frieza should get Minor Resistance to Biological Manipulation and Immunity to Bone Manipulation.

Profiles who get this are:

• Frieza
• Chou Frieza
• Cooler
• King Cold
• Chilled
• Kuriza

And that's all.

For the Toriyama showing organs for humans part, you should have also added the part where the Z fighters spotted the dead family when they were spying on Babidi's ship, one of the people there had their bottom half gone and entrails plopping out.

 

[Damage3245]

Damage, and this justification here we cannot deny the Op, to me it seems a lot like that, could you give it another chance?

I'm just saying, just because we don't explicitly see bones isn't proof enough of Immunity to Bone Manipulation.

And I'm really not convinced that Frieza has no internal organs whatsoever.

He eats and drinks, so he is capable of digestion. He has blood so it is likely he has a heart or heart-equivalent to pump it around his body.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I'm just saying, just because we don't explicitly see bones isn't proof enough of Immunity to Bone Manipulation.

And I'm really not convinced that Frieza has no internal organs whatsoever.

He eats and drinks, so he is capable of digestion. He has blood so it is likely he has a heart or heart-equivalent to pump it around his body.

I've honestly never seen Frieza eat anything, but thank you very much for your attention here!

 

[Damage3245]

I've honestly never seen Frieza eat anything, but thank you very much for your attention here!

Fair, but Frieza does at least employ chefs.

 

[Chariot190]

I have bad news bro

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I have bad news bro

Welp. That's pretty straightforward. Gotta disagree.

 

[Damage3245]

I have bad news bro

Yeah. These don't look like the wire-things from Dragon Ball Super to me. Definitely some organs.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I have bad news bro

Weren’t those strings addressed in the op shown in the RoF scene?

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