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Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread

KingTempest said:
...shouldn't half of the demon king be = to the combined strength of the 10 commandments because of this?
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No.

The Commandments are only a part of DK’s power

Also a demon’s Commandment Is only a part of their total power lvl

Exemple:
Gilbert Is a powerful dude With a 50k power lvl He absorbed a commandment and jumped greatly in power up to 60k

Commandment=10k
Gilbert=50k

Meaning We can’t just add their powers We need to take their prior strength into account

I Also dont think it would be consistant
 
Makai64100 said:
No.

The Commandments are only a part of DK’s power

Also a demon’s Commandment Is only a part of their total power lvl

Exemple:
Gilbert Is a powerful dude With a 50k power lvl He absorbed a commandment and jumped greatly in power up to 60k

Commandment=10k
Gilbert=50k

Meaning We can’t just add their powers We need to take their prior strength into account

I Also dont think it would be consistant
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Me in my head: who tf is gilbert
 
Majinere566 said:
But anyways 10 Commandments (Not the people) = 50% Demon King

Whoever Absorbs all of that should scale imo
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I don’t think 50% DK would even be scratched by a simple part of the commandments (people) power even combined it’s massively inconsistant

Edit:

Chapter 235 it Is confirmed that Chandler and Cusack cover the void left behind the 9 Commandments that were missing atm (People) meaning They should basically be ≈ 10 Commandments (People) that are > 10 Commandments (Laws)

Mael one taped OD

50% DK = 50% SD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mael
 
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KingTempest said:
...shouldn't half of the demon king be = to the combined strength of the 10 commandments because of this?
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No, and the Commandments actually had different users originally.

Hell, Meliodas had love at a time when his base form alone was on par with the Commandments, and his Demon Mark was stronger than Ludoshel (who's >>> the weaker Archangels, who are >>>> Estarossa).

Derieri, Drole, Monspeet and Gloxinia also lost **** all power when their Commandments were rescinded, and just Galand's (who's by far the weakest official Ten Commandment) and Monspeet's combined/individually provided an enormous boost to the Estarossa, the 2nd strongest Commandment.

But, the 10Cs are equal to 50% DK in and of themselves. That's why Meliodas absorbed the Commandments into his body (btw, Zeldris later confirms that his loaned magic was actually miniscule in comparison).
Majinere566 said:
But anyways 10 Commandments (Not the people) = 50% Demon King

Whoever Absorbs all of that should scale imo
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DK Meliodas and DK Zeldris weren't immediately equal/superior to 50% DK due to compatibility (something that was still an issue in Meliodas' hibernation), hence weakened Zeldris surpassing 100% of DK's power after absorbing a ton of magic and DK Meliodas being comparable to Ban, who got stomped by 50% DK in Purgatory.

Remember, DK tricked Meliodas into becoming a host for his entire being and was still connected to the Commandments. It's not as simple as just body hopping to add the full power of the Commandments + DK.
Majinere566 said:
The Original Demon threatening 50% Demon King's standing??🤔

Nvm with half of the dk power
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Yeah. Ban alone is way stronger than Mael, who one-shot OG Demon, and Wild (who wrecked Ban) got stomped by 50% DK with one finger.
 
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ByAsura said:
just Galand's (who's by far the weakest official Ten Commandment) and Monspeet's combined/individually provided an enormous boost to the Estarossa, the 2nd strongest Commandment.
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I should expand on this a little.

When they actually started trying, the Archangels gutter stomped Estarossa to the point where he would have been disintegrated. Earlier, they even claimed to have the strength of two Commandments.

Estarossa absorbs Galand's Commandment, and rivals their power.

Galand, for reference, is way weaker than Estarossa.
  • Estarossa can stomp Derieri (someone way stronger than Galand), who withstood her own Full Counter (something that increases physical attacks two-fold) with no damage, and he's capable of killing her/is equal to Post-Revival Meliodas, who punched out part of her ribcage.
  • Estarossa >>> Demon Unsealed Meliodas >>> Base Meliodas >>> Galand.
  • Ban can absorb more than half of Galand's power, yet Estarossa reduced him to droplets after Ban stole that level of power.
Estarossa then takes in Monspeet's Commandment and curbstomps the Archangels. Even in their True Bodies, which are much stronger, Estarossa/Mael fought them off simultaneously until they restrained each arm.

Monspeet is magically superior to even Estarossa, but he's physically weaker than even Galand.

After taking in Derieri's Commandment (I already explained the power gap between them with the Full Counter stuff), Estarossa's power growth was so massive that the immediate solution was retreating.

Basically, if the Commandments were 1:1 with their current users, Estarossa would have gained only a moderate amount of physical strength, and only enough magic to match the Archangels' vessels with all of them.
 
Makai64100 said:
No.

The Commandments are only a part of DK’s power

Also a demon’s Commandment Is only a part of their total power lvl

Exemple:
Gilbert Is a powerful dude With a 50k power lvl He absorbed a commandment and jumped greatly in power up to 60k

Commandment=10k
Gilbert=50k

Meaning We can’t just add their powers We need to take their prior strength into account

I Also dont think it would be consistant
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Just thinking about this

Then wouldn't you be able to scale the commandments each above 1/10th of half of the Demon King?
 
QnA chapter 81
Q81: Spring: Did Meliodas and Elizabeth visit the Celestial Theater Ruins after the Holy War?
A: No, it is already gone!! (laughs) In Volume 34!

Q82: Tartar: Does the precision of magic power drop when one gets older? Or stay the same?
A: Since it is a bigger issue of mental than that of stamina, there are cases where the magic power strengthens as one gets older
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Lilia, on her normal state, managed to endure battling Meliodas, King, Ban and Merlin alone. Awakened state none of the sins can even damage her.

Valenty managed to equally fight against Merlin.

Eastin and Lilia managed to defeat Ban and Gowther.

Shin defeated Howzer, Gil and Griamore alone with ease.

Camila endured keep battling Escanor from high-noon unitl he reverted back to his skinny state.
Keep in mind this is after Meliodas gets resurrected
 
Updated list

Okay here's a list I complied for Enchantments


(Potentially)- A Knight from Slader's Group seems to encase his arrow with his magic although it looks like it loses it's enchantment after gowther catches it(chapter 54)


(Potentially)- Helbram receives an amp via link which then encases his body and sword with magic but after that it's not seen on his sword or body (chapter 74)

Hendrickson's Enchanted Sword in Chapter 80 and later backed up by it being called Enchant Hellblaze in chapter 81

Red Demon Blood Hendrickson infuses darkness to his blade (Chapter 88)


King uses a sacred treasure release (chapter 118)

Beserk Meliodas uses darkness on Lostvayne (chapter 121)

Don't know if this counts but I'll just put it in here(chapter 133)

King seems like he's encasing his increase with magic (chapter166)

Gloxina (chapter 172&175)

Estarossa (Chapter 177)

Zaratras (192)

Meliodas (230, 231, 232 and one more)

King+ Gowther (Chapter 237)

King (Chapter 270)

Diane(Chapter 280)
*Note that this isn't her magic, this is the aftermath of absorbing 4C Mael's attack

Full Grown Wings King (Chapter 281) Actually it looks partial

Zeldris (Chapter 291)

Meliodas + Elizabeth (Chapter 318)

Arthur (Chapter 341)
 
the gilthunder one 100% counts , but most of these aint enchantment like estarossa and i think the fairy kings.. thats just their overflowing magic showing on the weapon i wouldnt count it as enchantment
 
why u keep pushing grand cross btw? its not canon so they wont even bother with it TILL the series is over
 
soo quick question is there a reason we cant cross scale kongo akira with NNT meliodas?
1- same creator
2- same planet different eras
3- Akira was in a Q/A about PL
4- Akira was recently shown in arthurs vision
 
Zezu1995 said:
soo quick question is there a reason we cant cross scale kongo akira with NNT meliodas?
1- same creator
2- same planet different eras
3- Akira was in a Q/A about PL
4- Akira was recently shown in arthurs vision
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Cause We just don’t cross Scale characters the author was even joking in these Q/A so We don’t really know if He Is honest

i mean We don’t even consider true his statement about Meliodas being close to Chaos in terms of power lvl in TMF for some reason
 
Not to be rude, but isn't this like the 1000th time we've had this argument?
Makai64100 said:
Cause We just don’t cross Scale characters the author was even joking in these Q/A so We don’t really know if He Is honest

i mean We don’t even consider true his statement about Meliodas being close to Chaos in terms of power lvl in TMF for some reason
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Wasn't that just Hawk Mama, whom he constantly jokes about?
 
hmm well then, i guess we covered everything, now its just for the upgrades , or is there things that still need talking about?
 
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