Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread

[speedster352]

Y'all know adding scans to what you're responding to would make you arguments alot better and would actually answer his concerns more compared to just saying why Meliodas has these abilities/resistances without providing any proof for said abilities or resistances.

Just saying.

You could try reading his profile look at the linked scans

 

[Mageman460]

What are you talking about? A character doesn't need to show off multiple times an ability for us to know that he can use it, Meliodas used sealing against Gelda, so he has sealing simple.

I saw a flaw with the Gelda one which is why I asked if he ever uses Sealing again. It has nothing to do with him needing to use it multiple times.

Revenge Counter literally mechanics for working is converting the damage taken into a powerful magic attack, so yeah he is absorbing the damages and converting said damage into a magic attack.

Revenge Counter honestly works more like Damage Boost/Statistics Amplification.

Miasma is literally the demonic aura that Meliodas passively inhibits when he is in Assault mode, keyword is demonic magical aura that only affects far weaker characters than him.

Why would he inhibit it in his Escanor fight? He's basically out to torture and kill in this fight.

Tyrant Killing can be used by both Mel and Zel, you aren't making any sense, they just combined their identical moves to increase the double the power, simple.

It's specifically listed as a combo move. Which are only usable with someone else. Also my main concern here was Supreme Deity being stated to have resistance to Darkness.

You could try reading his profile look at the linked scans

I have seen the scans on the profile, I have some issues with them.

I did forget to mention I have some other things that I was saving for the thread in my original post, my bad. The other abilities I am way more confident he just should not have. Do note these are much fewer only numbering three technically.

 

[Majinere566]

What is the problem with his Sealing?

 

[Mageman460]

Basically, Gelda had no fighting intention and was kind of willing to be sealed. It's a bit weaker than some of my other evidences, but I felt it should still be mentioned.

 

[Majinere566]

Well that's doesn't really disqualify the feat lmao

 

[Le'garde273]

That was nothing to do with the classification of sealing

 

[Dooyo]

I saw a flaw with the Gelda one which is why I asked if he ever uses Sealing again. It has nothing to do with him needing to use it multiple times.


Revenge Counter honestly works more like Damage Boost/Statistics Amplification.


Why would he inhibit it in his Escanor fight? He's basically out to torture and kill in this fight.


It's specifically listed as a combo move. Which are only usable with someone else. Also my main concern here was Supreme Deity being stated to have resistance to Darkness.


I have seen the scans on the profile, I have some issues with them.

I did forget to mention I have some other things that I was saving for the thread in my original post, my bad. The other abilities I am way more confident he just should not have. Do note these are much fewer only numbering three technically.

How is it a flaw? Elaborate.

He isn't getting a boost throughout damage, he is using said damage that he accumulated in his body and convert it into a magical attack.

There isn't any statistics amplification.

Or Escanor is powerful enough to be completely fine with it? I told you it work on people fodder to Mel in verse, when he let his Darkness power completely unchecked, Demons produces natural miasma, they are literally from a world full of it, the Demon World, you literally know nothing about NNT, as I suspected.

Not only the Supreme Deity, it is like well known that powerful Goddesses have resistance against Darkness with Ark, and Supreme Deity is engulfed with Goddess magic. Combo doesn't mean that said attack doesn't have the same characteristics, it just makes it weaker.

Your issues seem to be nothing but your misunderstanding really.

 

[speedster352]

Interesting. I'll look into that when I can.

We need you please

https://vsbattles.com/threads/meliodas-and-zeldris-vs-asta-and-yuno.140566/page-4#post-5063840

https://vsbattles.com/threads/zeldris-vs-ji-ning.141796/#post-5063848

We need some help here please

Help us with mage

I saw a flaw with the Gelda one which is why I asked if he ever uses Sealing again. It has nothing to do with him needing to use it multiple times.


Revenge Counter honestly works more like Damage Boost/Statistics Amplification.


Why would he inhibit it in his Escanor fight? He's basically out to torture and kill in this fight.


It's specifically listed as a combo move. Which are only usable with someone else. Also my main concern here was Supreme Deity being stated to have resistance to Darkness.


I have seen the scans on the profile, I have some issues with them.

I did forget to mention I have some other things that I was saving for the thread in my original post, my bad. The other abilities I am way more confident he just should not have. Do note these are much fewer only numbering three technically.

Escanor has grace that allows him to resist demon clan abilities and he was becoming relative to Meliodas and he has his own aura.

 

[speedster352]

How is it a flaw? Elaborate.

He isn't getting a boost throughout damage, he is using said damage that he accumulated in his body and convert it into a magical attack.

There isn't any statistics amplification.

Or Escanor is powerful enough to be completely fine with it? I told you it work on people fodder to Mel in verse.

Not only the Supreme Deity, it is like well known that powerful Goddesses have resistance against Darkness with Ark, and Supreme Deity is engulfed with Goddess magic. Combo doesn't mean that said attack doesn't have the same characteristics, it just makes it weaker.

Your issues seem to be nothing but your misunderstanding really.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/meliodas-and-zeldris-vs-asta-and-yuno.140566/page-4#post-5063840

https://vsbattles.com/threads/zeldris-vs-ji-ning.141796/#post-5063848

We need some help here please

 

[Kachon123]

We need you please

I'm away until Friday night, so expect it to be done on Saturday.

Can you please stop man. It's just making me want to do it less.

 

[Majinere566]

Can you please stop man. It's just making me want to do it less.

Exactly

 

[Le'garde273]

Revenge Counter honestly works more like Damage Boost/Statistics Amplification.

Whut, he got more weaker when he charge all damage he receive and releasing it in single burst, why it become stat amp then?

It's specifically listed as a combo move. Which are only usable with someone else. Also my main concern here was Supreme Deity being stated to have resistance to Darkness.

Divine protection give resistance to all darkness curses and commandment. Even iirc sariel completely unaffected by hellblaze which fire darkness

 

[Mageman460]

Well that's doesn't really disqualify the feat lmao

That was nothing to do with the classification of sealing

It's more that it limits it potentially. It would become Limited Sealing with no combat application

Or Escanor is powerful enough to be completely fine with it? I told you it work on people fodder to Mel in verse, when he let his Darkness power completely unchecked, Demons produces natural miasma, they are literally from a world full of it, the Demon World, you literally know nothing about NNT, as I suspected.

As I said, the miasma does not appear until he is unconscious. I was asking for proof his miasma showed up BEFORE he was knocked out. As it effects King and Diane as well and they weren't affected until later.

I am literally asking for proof because there are more knowledgeable people on the site. I happen to know quite a bit about the series. Maybe read my post before assuming I know nothing about the series.

Not only the Supreme Deity, it is like well known that powerful Goddesses have resistance against Darkness with Ark, and Supreme Deity is engulfed with Goddess magic. Combo doesn't mean that said attack doesn't have the same characteristics, it just makes it weaker.

Where is the proof? (NVM, it's given later)

Your issues seem to be nothing but your misunderstanding really.

Not really. There are still concerns. Also you really don't need to be so upset because I see some flaws in how the profiles are currently justified. Here's a suggestion, take that energy you're using to insult me and put it to getting proof.

Whut, he got more weaker when he charge all damage he receive and releasing it in single burst, why it become stat amp then?

It quite literally increased the power of that attack. My question is does this really qualify as absorption?

Divine protection give resistance to all darkness curses and commandment. Even iirc sariel completely unaffected by hellblaze which fire darkness

Divine Protection seems to be more specifically dark curses, not the darkness they use to attack. Sariel being unaffected is fair though.

Also as a note: my main issues with Tyrant Killing are it being a combo move (implying he can not use it without help), and the link on the page not showing Supreme Deity's resistance despite it implying it does. Granted the proof given has a different Darkness based attack effect the SD, so honestly, just use that as the justification.

 

[Rabbit2002]

It's more that it limits it potentially. It would become Limited Sealing with no combat application

Everyone know it not combat application, I don't know why it limited, limited is just when your abilities only work on something such as God in Record of Ragnarok only invulnerability with human's weapons so they just get limited invulnerability.

Edit: Most of characters in fiction have some abilities that they just show only 1 time and never show it again or even didn't show it but it doesn't mean they don't have it.

 

[Dooyo]

It's more that it limits it potentially. It would become Limited Sealing with no combat application



As I said, the miasma does not appear until he is unconscious. I was asking for proof his miasma showed up BEFORE he was knocked out. As it effects King and Diane as well and they weren't affected until later.

I am literally asking for proof because there are more knowledgeable people on the site. I happen to know quite a bit about the series. Maybe read my post before assuming I know nothing about the series.

Where is the proof? (NVM, it's given later)

Not really. There are still concerns. Also you really don't need to be so upset because I see some flaws in how the profiles are currently justified. Here's a suggestion, take that energy you're using to insult me and put it to getting proof.


It quite literally increased the power of that attack. My question is does this really qualify as absorption?

Divine Protection seems to be more specifically dark curses, not the darkness they use to attack. Sariel being unaffected is fair though.

Also as a note: my main issues with Tyrant Killing are it being a combo move (implying he can not use it without help), and the link on the page not showing Supreme Deity's resistance despite it implying it does. Granted the proof given has a different Darkness based attack effect the SD, so honestly, just use that as the justification.

The miasma is literally his Demonic aura that goes unchecked since he is unconscious, he can't control it.

How is it hard to understand?

When? AM Mel was inside Perfect Cube and he did control himself, completely irrelevant point once again.

I am literally giving you proof and educating you on your misunderstanding of the series. Again, you clearly don't know anything about the series.

You keep repeating that there are flaws without elaborating said flaws, earlier you started with his sealing ability which I asked you what flaw it was, you literally didn't elaborate further lol.

Saying that you have misunderstanding and know nothing about a series isn't an insult, stop it.
Otherwise you wouldn't come here to get clarifications, which you are still obtuse once you get it.

Yes, otherwise explain how he can use damages to create a magic attack, go on. And don't say silly things like stats amplification please because Mel clearly get weaker once he prepares his Revenge Counter.

 

[Rabbit2002]

If you plan on remove sealing because it just show 1 time, then I think you should remove effect of commandments since it only show only 1 time and some even didn't display

 

[Dooyo]

If you plan on remove sealing because it just show 1 time, then I think you should remove effect of commandments since it only show only 1 time and some even didn't display

It is completely stupid to remove something that a character showed once.

What matters is that said character displayed said ability on screen, that is all that matters to know that he can do it again if he wanted to.

With that logic, we will remove a LOOOOT of abilities in plenty of pages as a lot of powerful characters show abilities once that they never did it again.

 

[speedster352]

If you plan on remove sealing because it just show 1 time, then I think you should remove effect of commandments since it only show only 1 time and some even didn't display

Your not helping

 

[Majinere566]

It's more that it limits it potentially. It would become Limited Sealing with no combat application.

It's really not limited, being willing to be sealed does not equate limited sealing capabilities

It's clear cut Sealing, you could just not that it's not he's never used it in combat in character.

This is simple sealing there's no way around it

 

[Dooyo]

It's really not limited, being willing to be sealed does not equate limited sealing capabilities

It's clear cut Sealing, you could just not that it's not he's never used it in combat in character.

This is simple sealing there's no way around it

Yeah, he could say that Meliodas never use sealing in combat or in character which is true.

But to deny the obvious that it is clearly sealing (even the scans call it sealing lol) show that his intentions are only to downplay, he isn't arguing with good faith

 

[Mageman460]

The miasma is literally his Demonic aura that goes unchecked since he is unconscious, he can't control it.

How is it hard to understand?

When? AM Mel was inside Perfect Cube and he did control himself, completely irrelevant point once again.

There was a brief time he was outside the cube.

I am literally giving you proof and educating you on your misunderstanding of the series. Again, you clearly don't know anything about the series.

You keep saying things. You saying things =/= proof. Again, I do know quite a bit about the series. So I'll ask you politely to stop saying that.

You keep repeating that there are flaws without elaborating said flaws, earlier you started with his sealing ability which I asked you what flaw it was, you literally didn't elaborate further lol.

Except I did ... Meliodas's only use of it was against someone with ZERO fighting intent.

Yes, otherwise explain how he can use damages to create a magic attack, go on. And don't say silly things like stats amplification please because Mel clearly get weaker once he prepares his Revenge Counter.

He gets weaker because he's attacked and damaged, and then when he attacks, he raises his stats based on how much damage he had taken. How is that not Statistics Amplification? Also if he was absorbing the damage, wouldn't it be gone?

If you plan on remove sealing because it just show 1 time, then I think you should remove effect of commandments since it only show only 1 time and some even didn't display

Not what I said. I asked for more instances of its use. Gelda's sealing has a flaw, which I discussed already, from my point of view.

It's really not limited, being willing to be sealed does not equate limited sealing capabilities

It's clear cut Sealing, you could just not that it's not he's never used it in combat in character.

This is simple sealing there's no way around it

I'm saying that the only time we see Meliodas seal, is against a willing target. That would make the Sealing Limited yes.

Yeah, he could say that Meliodas never use sealing in combat or in character which is true.

But to deny the obvious that it is clearly sealing (even the scans call it sealing lol) show that his intentions are only to downplay, he isn't arguing with good faith

I am saying Meliodas NEVER uses sealing against an unwilling opponent. HOW is that hard to understand? I am NOT trying to remove Sealing. I am trying to downgrade it to LIMITED as the only instance of Meliodas using it, was against a character who wanted it.

Why would sealing that has only been used against a willing target not be Limited Sealing?

 

[Dooyo]

There was a brief time he was outside the cube.


You keep saying things. You saying things =/= proof. Again, I do know quite a bit about the series. So I'll ask you politely to stop saying that.


Except I did ... Meliodas's only use of it was against someone with ZERO fighting intent.


He gets weaker because he's attacked and damaged, and then when he attacks, he raises his stats based on how much damage he had taken. How is that not Statistics Amplification? Also if he was absorbing the damage, wouldn't it be gone?


Not what I said. I asked for more instances of its use. Gelda's sealing has a flaw, which I discussed already, from my point of view.


I'm saying that the only time we see Meliodas seal, is against a willing target. That would make the Sealing Limited yes.


I am saying Meliodas NEVER uses sealing against an unwilling opponent. HOW is that hard to understand? I am NOT trying to remove Sealing. I am trying to downgrade it to LIMITED as the only instance of Meliodas using it, was against a character who wanted it.

Why would sealing that has only been used against a willing target not be Limited Sealing?

And he was completely unconscious and not moving, your point? And you realize that his miasma need time to build up, it isn't something that happens instantly.

I am clarifying things to you, nuance.
Stop strawmaning my stance please, that is disingenuous.

If you know it, then why you are making blunter after another on simple facts about this series?

You realize sealing work regardless of your fighting intentions or not right? And you also realize that it doesn't disqualify it to be sealing right? Call it weak sealing, it is still one regardless.

And judging by the range of his sealing, which is basically his Darkness power that he manipulate, she had no way out, and she was a fodder to Mel lol, you would know it if you knew the series as you claim it above.

Except that is your headcanon, nowhere in the series there is a mention of him raising his stats when he prepares his Revenge Counter, so you are completely wrong.

By absorbing damage, it is meant to charge his Revenge Counter with it, it doesn't mean that his damage are gone.

 

[Majinere566]

I'm saying that the only time we see Meliodas seal, is against a willing target. That would make the Sealing Limited yes.

That quite literally is not limited

Let me give you an analogy

If I lock someone in a room, that person is stuck there.

If a person wants to get locked in a room and I do so, he's still locked in a room.

There is no difference between both scenarios except for asking to get locked

At the end of the day they are both locked in a room

There is no limited locking of a room


It's either locked or not locked.

Being willing to seal someone does not diminish the Potency of the sealing

 

[Mageman460]

And he was completely unconscious and not moving, your point? And you realize that his miasma need time to build up, it isn't something that happens instantly.

No I was not aware of that. Where is this stated.

I am clarifying things to you, nuance.
Stop strawmaning my stance please, that is disingenuous.

I'm not strawmanning though? I just said that you aren't providing proof. Things like scans of manga panels.
Please actually explain how I am strawmanning, because to my knowledge I am not.

If you know it, then why you are making blunter after another on simple facts about this series?

I'm not really making blunders. These also aren't really "simple" facts. They're super obscure pieces of information that we try to interpret using a broad list of powers and abilities.

You realize sealing work regardless of your fighting intentions or not right? And you also realize that it doesn't disqualify it to be sealing right? Call it weak sealing, it is still one regardless.

You realize that might not be the case right? I'm not saying it isn't sealing. I'm saying it's Limited Sealing, which is still sealing. Once again, I am NOT trying to remove Sealing, but downgrade it.

And judging by the range of his sealing, which is basically his Darkness power that he manipulate, she had no way out, and she was a fodder to Mel lol, you would know it if you knew the series as you claim it above.

Really? I literally just asked you to stop that.

Except that is your headcanon, nowhere in the series there is a mention of him raising his stats when he prepares his Revenge Counter, so you are completely wrong.

Oh look, Gowther makes the claim that Meliodas accumulated magic power. Guess I'm not completely wrong huh?

By absorbing damage, it is meant to charge his Revenge Counter with it, it doesn't mean that his damage are gone.

Absorbing something means taking it. Why would it be absorption if the damage was still there? I do not think Absorption fits what Revenge Counter is.

That quite literally is not limited

Let me give you an analogy

If I lock someone in a room, that person is stuck there.

If a person wants to get locked in a room and I do so, he's still locked in a room.

There is no difference between both scenarios except for asking to get locked

At the end of the day they are both locked in a room

There is no limited locking of a room


It's either locked or not locked.

Being willing to seal someone does not diminish the Potency of the sealing

Alright, this is fair. But it's not quite accurate imo.

Say for example a third scenario
I fail to lock the door because the person sees me closing the door and pushes back against the door. In which case I would not be able to lock the door.

 

[Majinere566]

Say for example a third scenario
I fail to lock the door because the person sees me closing the door and pushes back against the door. In which case I would not be able to lock the door.

Then the door is unlocked.

Which wouldn't be the case for Meliodas because he completely sealed gelda.

 

[Mageman460]

Then the door is unlocked.

Which wouldn't be the case for Meliodas because he completely sealed gelda.

That's what I'm saying. Meliodas sealed Gelda, when she wanted to be sealed. As far as we know that is the only way he can seal. Hence the Limited Sealing.

Wait I see what you mean. Let me rephrase.
"I lock the door even though someone is pushing against me trying to keep me from closing the door."
That would be a not Limited Sealing.
"I lock the door, but the person wanted me to. If they fought back I wouldn't be able to."
That is Limited Sealing.

 

[Dooyo]

No I was not aware of that. Where is this stated.

I'm not strawmanning though? I just said that you aren't providing proof. Things like scans of manga panels.
Please actually explain how I am strawmanning, because to my knowledge I am not.


I'm not really making blunders. These also aren't really "simple" facts. They're super obscure pieces of information that we try to interpret using a broad list of powers and abilities.


You realize that might not be the case right? I'm not saying it isn't sealing. I'm saying it's Limited Sealing, which is still sealing. Once again, I am NOT trying to remove Sealing, but downgrade it.


Really? I literally just asked you to stop that.

Oh look, Gowther makes the claim that Meliodas accumulated magic power. Guess I'm not completely wrong huh?


Absorbing something means taking it. Why would it be absorption if the damage was still there? I do not think Absorption fits what Revenge Counter is.


Alright, this is fair. But it's not quite accurate imo.

Say for example a third scenario
I fail to lock the door because the person sees me closing the door and pushes back against the door. In which case I would not be able to lock the door.

It isn't stated ad verbatim but it is shown, he stayed in that close room during all the travel, unconscious, so natural the miasma will accumulate in that room and affect everyone eventually.

You are strawmaning my stance when you claim that I don't provide proof which is literally what I am doing since the beginning. What scans do you need?

Super obscure piece of information? Probably to you, not for everyone.

Limited sealing literally makes no sense as it implies he needs conditions to use it but in the scan, we saw that he literally did it without any pre-conditions or restrictions.

Stop what?

You are completely wrong, Gowther point out WHEN his Revenge Counter was ready, which is an obvious observation that it is an accumulation of magic power throughout taking damage.

 

[Majinere566]

The scenario you brought up is completely different

The person doesn't want to be locked in, and the person that locks the door doesn't know he didn't actually lock the door so the person in the room would logically retaliate.

This is completely different from scenario 2 which speaks directly to gelda's situation

That's what I'm saying. Meliodas sealed Gelda, when she wanted to be sealed. As far as we know that is the only way he can seal. Hence the Limited Sealing.

Refer back to scenario 2. This is his only showing and if you want to present the possibility of "its the only way he can seal" I'd like you to back that up with evidence.

Again not limited. It's really only 2 option.

Another analogy is headshotting someone who doesn't want to die and he dies. We can declare that the Bullet fired by the gun killed said person, meaning the gun was potent

Another scenario is someone wanting to get shot in the head and said person dies, we still declare the person that's dead, deceased. The Bullets Potency would not be limited due to the person's willingness to get headshotted.

 

[Dooyo]

The scenario you brought up is completely different

The person doesn't want to be locked in, and the person that locks the door doesn't know he didn't actually lock the door so the person in the room would logically retaliate.

This is completely different from scenario 2 which speaks directly to gelda's situation


Refer back to scenario 2. This is his only showing and if you want to present the possibility of "its the only way he can seal" I'd like you to back that up with evidence.

Again not limited. It's really only 2 option.

Another analogy is headshotting someone who doesn't want to die and he dies. We can declare that the Bullet fired by the gun killed said person, meaning the gun was potent

Another scenario is someone wanting to get shot in the head and said person dies, we still declare the person that's dead, deceased. The Bullets Potency would not be limited due to the person's willingness to get headshotted.

If I get his reasoning, he is thinking his sealing needs that the character want to be sealed in order to work? Lol.

Doesn't he realize it makes no sense and is actually a bigger assumption?

By the way, Gelda wanted to die and asked Mel to kill her, she never intended or thought that she will be sealed, Meliodas is the one who decided to seal her instead of killing her.

He never asked her consent for the sealing.

 

[Rabbit2002]

Not what I said. I asked for more instances of its use. Gelda's sealing has a flaw, which I discussed already, from my point of view

Doesn't it just same case with Commandments stuff ? Only work 1 time and never show again, the stupid point is you require a character display an ability more than 1 time just to get that ability. Lately you want it limited for some reason I don't know, Gelda even want to be kill instead of seal her

 

[Mageman460]

It isn't stated ad verbatim but it is shown, he stayed in that close room during all the travel, unconscious, so natural the miasma will accumulate in that room and affect everyone eventually.

Alright. Forgot that happened over a longer timespan. This does make his passives kind of meaningless in most match ups though doesn't it?

You are strawmaning my stance when you claim that I don't provide proof which is literally what I am doing since the beginning. What scans do you need?

That's not strawmanning. I am asking for the scans, when it is actually said in the manga/movie (I include movie because of Cursed by Light).

Super obscure piece of information? Probably to you, not for everyone.

Yes, I kid you not I could not find the vampire one shot for the longest time when I first read the series. Assault Mode passives are mentioned like once. Tyrant Killing is also used once. (Though I am dropping that last one)

Limited sealing literally makes no sense as it implies he needs conditions to use it but in the scan, we saw that he literally did it without any pre-conditions or restrictions

I am saying the restriction is the target has to be willing.

Stop what?

Apologies, overreacted a bit there. I misread it as you saying I knew nothing about the series.

You are completely wrong, Gowther point out WHEN his Revenge Counter was ready, which is an obvious observation that it is an accumulation of magic power throughout taking damage.

That's not what Gowther is saying here at all. Gowther is saying that this accumulation of magic power from this instance is greater than the accumulated power in the capital. In other words, Meliodas's power in this instance is far greater than the power in the capital.
I can see how this can be seen as Absorption I guess. I still think that Damage Boost is the better fit than Absorption.

The scenario you brought up is completely different

The person doesn't want to be locked in, and the person that locks the door doesn't know he didn't actually lock the door so the person in the room would logically retaliate.

This is completely different from scenario 2 which speaks directly to gelda's situation


Refer back to scenario 2. This is his only showing and if you want to present the possibility of "its the only way he can seal" I'd like you to back that up with evidence.

Again not limited. It's really only 2 option.

Another analogy is headshotting someone who doesn't want to die and he dies. We can declare that the Bullet fired by the gun killed said person, meaning the gun was potent

Another scenario is someone wanting to get shot in the head and said person dies, we still declare the person that's dead, deceased. The Bullets Potency would not be limited due to the person's willingness to get headshotted.

What?
I'm saying it's limited because it has only worked against someone that was willing to be sealed.

If I get his reasoning, he is thinking his sealing needs that the character want to be sealed in order to work? Lol.

Yes.

Doesn't he realize it makes no sense and is actually a bigger assumption?

It really isn't the bigger assumption. Sealing only works as it has been shown to work. That is my claim.

By the way, Gelda wanted to die and asked Mel to kill her, she never intended or thought that she will be sealed, Meliodas is the one who decided to seal her instead of killing her.

This is why I mentioned she had no intention to fight. She was just standing there willing to accept death or whatever Meliodas did. I'd also like to point out that she did know she was sealed when Meliodas undid the seal.

Doesn't it just same case with Commandments stuff ? Only work 1 time and never show again, the stupid point is you require a character display an ability more than 1 time just to get that ability. Lately you want it limited for some reason I don't know, Gelda even want to be kill instead of seal her

See this is a strawman. I'm not saying Meliodas needs to use it multiple times to get the ability. I'm saying that the only time he used it was against a character with zero intent to fight him.

 

[Majinere566]

What?
I'm saying it's limited because it has only worked against someone that was willing to be sealed.

I am trying my best not to be rude. BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE THE SEALING'S POTENCY LIMITED

It's really not that ******* hard

 

[Mageman460]

I am trying my best not to be rude. BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE THE SEALING'S POTENCY LIMITED

It's really not that ******* hard

Why doesn't it? If something has only worked against someone with ZERO INTENT of fighting back, there is no reason to assume it works against someone willing to fight back.

It's really not that hard.

 

[Majinere566]

Like do you know what a limited hax is?

Its when the hax is not as potent.

Meliodas effectively sealed her away. That's not limited sealing its deadass just Sealing

Limited Sealing would be if he didn't completely seal her which is not the case

I swear it's really not that hard and the mental gymnastics around your point is insane

 

[Rabbit2002]

See this is a strawman. I'm not saying Meliodas needs to use it multiple times to get the ability. I'm saying that the only time he used it was against a character with zero intent to fight him

Sound like you burn/freeze someone that not intent to fight you will just get limited fire manip or ice manip

 

[Mageman460]

Like do you know what a limited hax is?

Its when the hax is not as potent.

Meliodas effectively sealed her away. That's not limited sealing its deadass just Sealing

Limited Sealing would be if he didn't completely seal her which is not the case

I swear it's really not that hard and the mental gymnastics around your point is insane

Wait, can't limited mean that the usage is limited? Not necessarily the potency? If so, then that's my bad. I thought Limited meant that it could only be used in limited situations.

 

[Majinere566]

Why doesn't it? If something has only worked against someone with ZERO INTENT of fighting back, there is no reason to assume it works against someone willing to fight back.

It's really not that hard.

Show me on the Sealing page where zero intent of fighting back would grant limited sealing.

That's like saying a bullet that a person used to kill himself willingly is limited killing. Makes 0 sense at all.

You could deadass just say it's not combat applicable. Not every hax is combat applicable but it's still listed on profiles.

When you're asserting its limited it means that the hax is NOT AS POTENT. HAVING SOMEONE WITH ZERO INTENTION TO FIGHT BACK DOES NOT DIMINISH THE HAX'S POTENCY

 

[Majinere566]

Wait, can't limited mean that the usage is limited? Not necessarily the potency? If so, then that's my bad. I thought Limited meant that it could only be used in limited situations.

Not to my recollection, most of the limited stuff I have seen is due to the hax either being uncertain or not as potent enough to get a full rating.

 

[Mageman460]

Not to my recollection, most of the limited stuff I have seen is due to the hax either being uncertain or not as potent enough to get a full rating.

Yeah then that's my bad. I thought Limited applied to something that using it was restricted.

 

[Le'garde273]

As I said, the miasma does not appear until he is unconscious. I was asking for proof his miasma showed up BEFORE he was knocked out. As it effects King and Diane as well and they weren't affected until later.

Just wanna pointed, demon basicly can exudes miasma, even their maybe blood darkness is basicly miasma itself, kinda make sense iirc since melascula also state as a snake that become demon because of miasma.

Divine Protection seems to be more specifically dark curses, not the darkness they use to attack. Sariel being unaffected is fair though.

Also as a note: my main issues with Tyrant Killing are it being a combo move (implying he can not use it without help), and the link on the page not showing Supreme Deity's resistance despite it implying it does. Granted the proof given has a different Darkness based attack effect the SD, so honestly, just use that as the justification.

Tyrant killing basicly just a their invidually dark prominence that using both at same time. So nothing change here.