Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread

[Demon_Lord18]

PL means nothing in NNT

It's not a matter of PL, this is not even mentioned by the interviewer or Nakaba. He asks about the difference in strength between Ban and the Red Demon, to which Nakaba responds by saying that Ban has the strength of a common Holy Knight and that, therefore, he thinks Ban would be defeated unilaterally. Ban was obviously weaker and less resistence, so any attack from the Demon would leave him quite damaged. However, he had enough strength to wound it.

Ban was immortal, rage amped and has dura negation.

It's not like this made him 20 times stronger. Without using Dura negation, he could constantly wound the Red Demon.

Slader an elite HK was about to get hurt really bad by a simple red demon and said that it was a miracle that he stopped his attack

The strength of the Red Demons varies

Slader would litteraly 1v20 normal HK and could hurt Pre purgatory Ban

I didn't quite understand what you meant here, but Slader is a diamond-level knight. He is the same rank as Gilthunder, it's not like he's an unranked Holy Knight.

 

[Makai641001]

It's not a matter of PL, this is not even mentioned by the interviewer or Nakaba. He asks about the difference in strength between Ban and the Red Demon, to which Nakaba responds by saying that Ban has the strength of a common Holy Knight and that, therefore, he thinks Ban would be defeated unilaterally. Ban was obviously weaker and less resistence, so any attack from the Demon would leave him quite damaged. However, he had enough strength to wound it.

That’s like scaling the kid that stabbed Ban to him cause He dealt minor damage to him.

Ban took hours to do so while rage amped and with infinite stamina

It's not like this made him 20 times stronger.

Rage amps in NNT boost characters to the point where they completely blitz and stomp people on par with them

Without using Dura negation, he could constantly wound the Red Demon.

Minor wounds while amped

The strength of the Red Demons varies

The variation isn’t that big and we don’t even have data to say that the red demon about to kill slader and bartra was stronger than the forest one

I didn't quite understand what you meant here, but Slader is a diamond-level knight. He is the same rank as Gilthunder, it's not like he's an unranked Holy Knight.

That’s the point yeah red demons are a challenge for high ranking HK common knights can’t do shit against them

 

[Demon_Lord18]

That’s like scaling the kid that stabbed Ban to him cause He dealt minor damage to him.

It's not the same thing. Ban was tearing off the Red Demon's fingers, and in the end, we see half of its head destroyed

Ban took hours to do so while rage amped and with infinite stamina

Is this official information? Because Elaine had a huge hole in her chest. It's impossible for this fight to have lasted an hour, and she was still alive to exchange a few words with Ban

Minor wounds while amped

Ripping off someone's head and arm doesn't seem like minor injuries to me

The variation isn’t that big and we don’t even have data to say that the red demon about to kill slader and bartra was stronger than the forest one
That’s the point yeah red demons are a challenge for high ranking HK common knights can’t do shit against them

This just shows that the Red Demon Slader faced was stronger than the one in the forest. A Planita rank could severely damage the Red Demon, while a diamond rankcould easily kill him. Monspiet considers Denzel to be inferior to a Red Demon, but Denzel is considered superior to a diamond level. Therefore, the difference in power between a lower level Red Demon and a higher level one is quite large. For a Red Demon to threaten Slader, it must be stronger than the one in the forest and probably equal to the demon that Monspiet compared to Denzel.

 

[speedster352]

The demon clan can recover from soul/mind attacks is that an ability?

 

[Makai641001]

It's not the same thing. Ban was tearing off the Red Demon's fingers, and in the end, we see half of its head destroyed

I have a few minutes so i’ll elaborate.

That’s Ban after a single attack before his amps

Here is Ban blitzing the demon right after the amps

Here is Ban taking minor damage like small cuts from tens of attacks (same hits that were lethal to him pre amps)

Is this official information? Because Elaine had a huge hole in her chest. It's impossible for this fight to have lasted an hour, and she was still alive to exchange a few words with Ban

At the end of the fight it’s daytime
Look at the seven days anime depiction of the fight

Ripping off someone's head and arm doesn't seem like minor injuries to me

While amped

This just shows that the Red Demon Slader faced was stronger than the one in the forest. A Planita rank could severely damage the Red Demon,

Link doesn’t even work

while a diamond rankcould easily kill him.

Gil isn’t your typical diamond rank, blud can fight against Meliodas and harm him

Monspiet considers Denzel to be inferior to a Red Demon,

He says that his PL is similar.
And that’s a way to mock his inferiority compared to high ranked demons

Not a factual statement

but Denzel is considered superior to a diamond level.

He is considered to be around Dreyfus and Hendy aka the dude that got sliced by Gil.

Therefore, the difference in power between a lower level Red Demon and a higher level one is quite large. For a Red Demon to threaten Slader, it must be stronger than the one in the forest and probably equal to the demon that Monspiet compared to Denzel.

Red Demons can threaten Slader because they are way above « normal HK »

Normal HK are like Twigo…

BTW their fire Power scale higher than their own durability.

Scaling a character to the destruction of the Forest calc is wank since they get one shotted by their own fire attacks

 

[Demon_Lord18]

The demon clan can recover from soul/mind attacks is that an ability?

Yes, regeneration

 

[Demon_Lord18]

That’s Ban after a single attack before his amps

Here is Ban blitzing the demon right after the amps

I said immortality was the only thing keeping him alive, Ban's durability was never good.

Here is Ban taking minor damage like small cuts from tens of attacks (same hits that were lethal to him pre amps)

He used his weapon to defend himself, so he took less damage.

At the end of the fight it’s daytime
Look at the seven days anime depiction of the fight

It's only like that because of the flames + the manga makes it clear that the fight started during the day

Link doesn’t even work

It was Howzer injuring a red demon by casually ripping off his arm.

He says that his PL is similar.
And that’s a way to mock his inferiority compared to high ranked demons

Not a factual statement

He says he barely reaches the PL of a Red Demon, but that's impossible, since a Red Demon's maximum PL is 1300, while Denzel's is 2300.

He is considered to be around Dreyfus and Hendy aka the dude that got sliced by Gil.

He is >Deathpirce who is a diamond level and could hurt Dreyfus who is superior to Gilthunder

Normal HK are like Twigo…

Twigo is not a holy knight

Scaling a character to the destruction of the Forest calc is wank since they get one shotted by their own fire attacks

It is normal for a character to have the power to damage himself

Let me wank Meliodas Lostvayne to Low 6-B

 

[speedster352]

Yes, regeneration

Maybe you can add it to your crt.

 

[speedster352]

Another thing that bugs me is the fact that the profiles say that hellblaze has limited regeneration negation when it permanently damaged an immortal. Why would ban be so scared about it if the effects were limited?

 

[Zezu1995]

it def shouldnt be limited , ban had the best regen till cathe , and if hell blaze can perma damage him then it shouldnt be limited imo

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Estarossa easily defeated Ban, who had stolen his strength

 

[Makai641001]

I said immortality was the only thing keeping him alive, Ban's durability was never good.

That doesn’t answer my point at all.

After his amp he was able to withstand the attacks with small cuts
While he was bisected before the amps

He used his weapon to defend himself, so he took less damage.

Using a weapon doesn’t amp durability…

It's only like that because of the flames + the manga makes it clear that the fight started during the day

I don’t think it’s like that due to the flames, tho the forest had the time to burn entirely before the end of the fight

It was Howzer injuring a red demon by casually ripping off his arm.

Diamond ranks aren’t « normal knights »
+ the red demons don’t even scale to their AP in terms of durability

He says he barely reaches the PL of a Red Demon, but that's impossible, since a Red Demon's maximum PL is 1300, while Denzel's is 2300.

One more time, 2300 and 1300 is barely the same PL for Monspeet since he is a litteral Monster for them.

He is >Deathpirce who is a diamond level and could hurt Dreyfus who is superior to Gilthunder

Dreyfus ≈ Hendrikson and Gil was able to harm Hendrikson really bad lol

Twigo is not a holy knight

Was close to being a normal HK

It is normal for a character to have the power to damage himself

He didn’t « damage himself » he ONE SHOTTED HIMSELF

Let me wank Meliodas Lostvayne to Low 6-B

Hell nah

 

[Zezu1995]

Estarossa easily defeated Ban, who had stolen his strength

imo he was still stealing it , he prob took away like 10k pl wise from estarossa before he overloaded ... even mela told him why didnt he drain all the power from galand .. he can only take a bit back then

 

[speedster352]

Where is the scan that says that Meliodas is the strongest sin again?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Where is the scan that says that Meliodas is the strongest sin again?

There are at least 3 quotes like this. Which one are you talking about?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

“By the way, at this point, except for Meliodas, who is the strongest of the [Seven Deadly Sins]?

In his 'Ultimate' form, it's Escanor. If not in 'Ultimate', Ban is the strongest. The next would be the awakened King”

Source: The Seven Deadly Sins: A Tale of Rumors

Meliodas 5-C+ in NNT

Could you translate that for me? It's from the 4KoA fanbook

The two I sent here

 

[Makai641001]

Chion is pretty strong

 

[Zezu1995]

ya made him go demon mode

 

[Demon_Lord18]

I got 6-C with this calculation, do you think it's correct?

It was downgraded to 389 megatons, at least it's an improvement compared to the current level

 

[Demon_Lord18]

It was downgraded to 389 megatons, at least it's an improvement compared to the current level

Now it's no longer usable

 

[Majinere566]

Now it's no longer usable

Why’s that?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Why’s that?

It's inconsistent

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Thread 'Nanatsu no Taizai: Upgrade MFTL'

Jan 27, 2025

Based on my failed attempt to upgrade the verse to FTL+, I will now try to upgrade it to MFTL (In my view, it makes sense).
I wanted to put the arguments here, but since they were already on a blog, I'll just place them here.

You can see how it would look in the perfies here (Only important profiles and the ones I remembered are here) This became obsolete because I changed the reason for the FTL, and characters like Galand and Fraudrin are no longer FTL.

I had this calculation accepted, this puts all the characters from the first season as Sub-Rel
Even Ruin...

• Demon_Lord18
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• Forum: Content Revision

 

[Zezu1995]

new chapters out turns out demons have magic resistance

 

[Delta3000]

new chapters out turns out demons have magic resistance

Wasn't that implied ages ago when melascula's skeletons got buffed by the power she extracted from Meliodas. Or was that not enough of a justification?

 

[Zezu1995]

i thought that was just for meliodas but this should be for all demons

Wasn't that implied ages ago when melascula's skeletons got buffed by the power she extracted from Meliodas. Or was that not enough of a justification

 

[Delta3000]

i thought that was just for meliodas but this should be for all demons

Well it's nice to have confirmation either way.

 

[speedster352]

new chapters out turns out demons have magic resistance

Where was that stated? Maybe we can make a crt?

 

[Zezu1995]

Where was that stated? Maybe we can make a crt?

in the newest chapter

 

[speedster352]

in the newest chapter

I saw it this makes the demon clan and Tritian way more op.

 

[speedster352]

The two I sent here

Is someone going make to a CRT for this scaling?

 

[Zezu1995]

speedster NNT isnt a hot topic ( funny since fkoa is kinda popular now ) but on this site no1 cares that much, also most of out stuff is just gonna be stalled .. all we can do is compile and save them. Unless someone takes up the task

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Is someone going make to a CRT for this scaling?

No, that doesn't change anything.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Is someone going make to a CRT for this scaling?

Do you have a screenshot of the moment when Merlin raises Liones to a considerable height in the Grand Cross game? I'm thinking about going back to the profiles

 

[Demon_Lord18]

I just found out that Naruto Storm uses Ultimates in his profiles, maybe we can use them too?

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[Makai641001]

Do you have a screenshot of the moment when Merlin raises Liones to a considerable height in the Grand Cross game? I'm thinking about going back to the profiles

You can normally re watch any of the cinematics in the settings menu iirc

 

[Demon_Lord18]

You can normally re watch any of the cinematics in the settings menu iirc

I think it was from some event, it's not possible to watch it again

 

[Demon_Lord18]

It has been said that Níðhöggr can be seen from anywhere (probably referring to Niflheim) and it has been said that its slightest movement in Niflheim causes Helheim to tremble. We have possibly a 4-A/3-C feat.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

4-C High Ranking Demons with True Night(reality warping) ? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...00000000003766877&replyId=4400000000014420610

 

[Majinere566]

Does Anyone know where I can find the q&a of when Nakaba stated that Elizabeth is equal to or stronger than the Archangels?