Meliodas and Zeldris vs Asta and Yuno

[Arnoldstone18]

The thing is anti-magic is basically the opposite of magic power in black clover. It doesn't matter how layered the magic's resistance to powernull is, as long as there's enough anti-magic to counteract the amount of magic power used, it'll neg it.
Basically, it's always on top of the food chain so counting layers for matches like this is just redundant and doesn't go anywhere.

Yeah, I get it now. That's Narratively correct.

It's an AOE issue that Asta has with it. As long as he can generate enough to cover all that magic he can neg it completely.

With that said,

Demon Destroyer produces the most anti-magic followed by Demon Dweller and Demon Slayer. It also negs magic via causality manipulation.


Base Asta Demon Slayer = Base Asta Demon Dweller < Base Asta Demon Destroyer < Black Mode Skin/Aura < Black Mode Slayer = Black Mode Dweller < Black Divider < Black Mode Demon Destroyer. (NOTE: This is not Power Null Layers, its Anti magic AOE)

And as shown against Zagred, Asta can surpass his limit to generate more Anti Magic so AOE shouldn't be a problem in this Match at all. Anti-magic will neg their magic and counting the layers won't go anywhere as @Tatsumi504 said. So i'm moving on.

As for Yuno

It has been heavily established that the more magic a person has the more powernull resistance they have. I think I established this in this thread with many examples and some of you guys supported it.

And No I am not going to create some big chain for Yuno. I'm too busy with BC revisions and IRL stuff. And I don't even need to since Asta's Anti Magic alone is enough...

So Yuno will definitely provide immense teamwork support with wind magic and Asta will provide support. Yuno can probably steal some negative energy the way took some negative mana.

 

[Majinere566]

Arguing about layers is NNT vs BC in a nutshell

 

[Arnoldstone18]

TLDR

Asta’s layers is as big as the verse vsbattle wise so all he has to do is produce enough to engulf magic which he has no trouble with doing in this match in particular.

Yuno’s on his own, I’m not writing all that layering shit for him.

 

[VsReferee]

I still have a question that remains unanswered. What is anti magic going to do to an opponent that doesn't need magic and has more strength overal, better physical combat feat etc?

Their Darkness isn't magic and demons can heal with 0 magic.

 

[Epsilon_R]

I still have a question that remains unanswered. What is anti magic going to do to an opponent that doesn't need magic and has more strength overal, better physical combat feat etc?

Their Darkness isn't magic and demons can heal with 0 magic.

Demons get weaker when they heal

Also Yuno and Asta outclass them in AP and both have RPL and AD to make sure they still have the upper hand

Not to mention the skill advantage they have over Zeldris and Meliodas

 

[Tatsumi504]

Not to mention the skill advantage they have over Zeldris and

Nah, zeldris and Meliodas out skill as ta and yuno so badly it's not even funny

 

[VsReferee]

Demons get weaker when they heal

Also Yuno and Asta outclass them in AP and both have RPL and AD to make sure they still have the upper hand

Not to mention the skill advantage they have over Zeldris and Meliodas

Can you post feats of their sword/fighting feats? I really need feats. Text won't help me.

Haven't seen any sword feats in BC that proves Asta to have better sword combat than Meliodas or zeldris

Meliodas is a kind of dude that can cut you (without you noticing) all over after getting hit from a blind spot

 

[Makai641001]

Yeah, I get it now. That's Narratively correct.

It's an AOE issue that Asta has with it. As long as he can generate enough to cover all that magic he can neg it completely.

With that said,

Demon Destroyer produces the most anti-magic followed by Demon Dweller and Demon Slayer. It also negs magic via causality manipulation.


Base Asta Demon Slayer = Base Asta Demon Dweller < Base Asta Demon Destroyer < Black Mode Skin/Aura < Black Mode Slayer = Black Mode Dweller < Black Divider < Black Mode Demon Destroyer. (NOTE: This is not Power Null Layers, its Anti magic AOE)

And as shown against Zagred, Asta can surpass his limit to generate more Anti Magic so AOE shouldn't be a problem in this Match at all. Anti-magic will neg their magic and counting the layers won't go anywhere as @Tatsumi504 said. So i'm moving on.

As for Yuno

It has been heavily established that the more magic a person has the more powernull resistance they have. I think I established this in this thread with many examples and some of you guys supported it.

And No I am not going to create some big chain for Yuno. I'm too busy with BC revisions and IRL stuff. And I don't even need to since Asta's Anti Magic alone is enough...

So Yuno will definitely provide immense teamwork support with wind magic and Asta will provide support. Yuno can probably steal some negative energy the way took some negative mana.

So the argument is « wow lot of quantity of anti magic » regardless of the difference of layers

We can say the same Using the Corand arc statement of Merlin that says Negative energy constantly amp resistances to magic etc…

So Meli and Zel have more layers and the exact same argument you use + Zel is completely immune to any magic

Also y’all dodged almost everything i’ve said about their Destroyer type it’s not magic but natural elements Asta can’t Null
They can pretty much null everything Yuno would try to do

Note: After looking at the profiles it’s considered (Anti magic) as Powernull like every other without layers you are ****** and with layers you are ****** too since they are destroyer type characters

Demons get weaker when they heal

Yeah not really an argument their own blood can heal them without weakening them

Also Yuno and Asta outclass them in AP and both have RPL and AD to make sure they still have the upper hand

No AP advantage they scale to 53 gigatons Prime AM Mel scale to 75.8 gigatons

Pretty sure Zel have RPL since He managed to adapt and grow in power while facing ennemies that were more powerful than them

Rage Power Multiply their stats so badly they can one shot people that one shot people that are more than 2x stronger than

Meli already has AD too

Not to mention the skill advantage they have over Zeldris and Meliodas

Nice Joke

One side has RPL and AD feats and no other skill feats

The other side has RPL and AD + skill feats

Zel Mel are considered as enough to completely destroy Excalibur wielders it’s litteraly stated no human would be able to contend in a sword fight despite having comp great swordsmasters of the sword

Mel can contend with 3 people as strong as him at the same time at the beginning of the series adapting to their fighting style

They are skilled enough to adapt their magic to pretty much any situation

Mel Can copy magic looking at it for the first time and upgrade it

Can fight invisible people predict their whole pattern of movements and trap them

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Nah, zeldris and Meliodas out skill as ta and yuno so badly it's not even funny

I think Asta has actual swordsmanship abilities rather than just fighting styles to keep up. So using various fighting styles won’t really work against Ki, unpredictability, damage reduction.. etc. Oh and not to mention his ability to adapt and assimilate fighting styles with a glimpse.

Yuno could keep up with some spells I guess. And he could somewhat keep up with master swordsmen like Licht but he should be fine with spirit hushed dance, Manazone, and stuff.

Assuming you’re right though, I think I’ve seen a glimpse but what skills do they have?

 

[Makai641001]

I think Asta has actual swordsmanship abilities rather than just fighting styles to keep up. So using various fighting styles won’t really work against Ki, unpredictability, damage reduction.. etc. Oh and not to mention his ability to adapt and assimilate fighting styles with a glimpse.

Yuno could keep up with some spells I guess. And he could somewhat keep up with master swordsmen like Licht but he should be fine with spirit hushed dance, Manazone, and stuff.

Assuming you’re right though, I think I’ve seen a glimpse but what skills do they have?

Sure Asta try to predict attacks you can’t dodge Mel have the same AD feat

ON will effortlessly get his ass trying to predict Something will only lead to him trying to avoid something He is destined to be it by

 

[Makai641001]

Also it seems like they lose the regen weakness in AM form look at the profiles

 

[Makai641001]

There is a great tendancy to downplay NNT skills and wank some characters that doesn’t really have anything outside of adaptation feats (Which Mel and Zel have too)

A great tendancy to downplay or nerf their abilities once your characters can’t do anything anymore the perfect example is trying to get through layers With quantities of energy ignoring completely how abilities work

And a great tendancy to Forget some of the arguments

In order to bypass Resistance to Power Null you need layers if you don’t have layers then you can’t

We can add layers to Meliodas every rage power form He uses too btw

Discussing layers isn’t supposed to be something difficult that really simple but y’all are always adding conditions to it
You first said « that’s not how layers work » then « oh that’s layers but Asta have more » then « oh He doesn’t but anyway no need for it »
I’ve Also talked about destroyer type and how Asta would not be able to null them anyway

 

[Arnoldstone18]

So the argument is « wow lot of quantity of anti magic » regardless of the difference of layer

Anti Magic is at the top, no matter how layered magic is It negs as much as it can cover.

So counting all the layers in BC would be a waste of time at this point. Especially when there is an ability to literally create layers (Magic Circles).

Like you said Mel and Zel aren’t all magic so it’s not a stomp.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Sure Asta try to predict attacks you can’t dodge Mel have the same AD feat

ON will effortlessly get his ass trying to predict Something will only lead to him trying to avoid something He is destined to be it by

Predict attacks he can't dodge?

Hmm... I wonder if there is a rule about the slower character not being able to blitz the faster one.

There is a great tendancy to downplay NNT skills and wank some characters that doesn’t really have anything outside of adaptation feats (Which Mel and Zel have too)

A great tendancy to downplay or nerf their abilities once your characters can’t do anything anymore the perfect example is trying to get through layers With quantities of energy ignoring completely how abilities work

And a great tendancy to Forget some of the arguments

In order to bypass Resistance to Power Null you need layers if you don’t have layers then you can’t

We can add layers to Meliodas every rage power form He uses too btw

Discussing layers isn’t supposed to be something difficult that really simple but y’all are always adding conditions to it
You first said « that’s not how layers work » then « oh that’s layers but Asta have more » then « oh He doesn’t but anyway no need for it »
I’ve Also talked about destroyer type and how Asta would not be able to null them anyway

Just because a knowledgeable person of both series believes what you say is not the case doesn't mean there is an bias issue, its your job to convince them.

I am not knowledgeable in NNT so half of what you say is gibberish to me and its odd seeing knowledgeable people disagreeing which obviously raises my eyebrow.


Yuno has layers

Asta is always the top layer.

And I know that Asta can't negate their non-magical abilities.

 

[Makai641001]

Anti Magic is at the top, no matter how layered magic is It negs as much as it can cover.

So counting all the layers in BC would be a waste of time at this point. Especially when there is an ability to literally create layers (Magic Circles).

Like you said Mel and Zel aren’t all magic so it’s not a stomp.

As i said powernull needs layers like for every other verse else show me a rule concerning BC being spécial in that regard

Mel and Zel simply don’t use magic they use natural éléments and non magical darkness

Predict attacks he can't dodge?

ON attracts him anyway and strike anything that’s inside it’s range

Hmm... I wonder if there is a rule about the slower character not being able to blitz the faster one.

Speed is equalized and ON just amps the base speed and Can be enhanced with the forms it could attract people far Faster than

Just because a knowledgeable person of both series believes what you say is not the case doesn't mean there is an bias issue, its your job to convince them.

Yet said person asked something and i answered then asked something else that i answered again and finally decided that layers wouldn’t count

I am not knowledgeable in NNT so half of what you say is gibberish to me and its odd seeing knowledgeable people disagreeing which obviously raises my eyebrow.

Nobody knowledgable disagreed in this thread

Yuno has layers

Then use them

Asta is always the top layer.

NLF + powernull needs layers to affect layered resistances to powernull

And I know that Asta can't negate their non-magical abilities.

Therefore he can’t negate anything they displayed throughout the series

ON still stomps then

Skill difference is pretty big and the « knowledgable person » you talk about doesn’t even follow NNT related content
He didn’t know the AP value
Didn’t know about the blood healing abilities
Use things Mel and Zel have too as Win cons
Ignore layers don’t know Negative energy and how it works
Didn’t know their magic types

I don’t want to sound rude but it’s not someone I would use as an argument

And I didn’t even cite the new accepted abilities or lifting strength etc…

 

[Tatsumi504]

the « knowledgable person » you talk about doesn’t even follow NNT related content
He didn’t know the AP value
Didn’t know about the blood healing abilities
Use things Mel and Zel have too as Win cons
Ignore layers don’t know Negative energy and how it works
Didn’t know their magic types

I don’t want to sound rude but it’s not someone I would use as an argument

And I didn’t even cite the new accepted abilities or lifting strength etc…

Hope y'all aren't referring to me with the "knowledgeable member" stuff. I don't know their AP value, I'm aware of the blood healing abilities, it's just some broader stuff about their power null I wasn't aware of.

Anyway like I said, this is going no where.
Close the match or forfeit the power null crap and have them fight using just asta's AP as Mel and Zel don't depend on magic.

Yuno is definitely getting nulled. Don't see how resisting power null that works through spatial domination would help him resist something like CV that works by erasing the very source of his magic. He'll basically be on support duty here.

 

[VsReferee]

I think Asta has actual swordsmanship abilities rather than just fighting styles to keep up. So using various fighting styles won’t really work against Ki, unpredictability, damage reduction.. etc. Oh and not to mention his ability to adapt and assimilate fighting styles with a glimpse.

Yuno could keep up with some spells I guess. And he could somewhat keep up with master swordsmen like Licht but he should be fine with spirit hushed dance, Manazone, and stuff.

Assuming you’re right though, I think I’ve seen a glimpse but what skills do they have

What is this argument . Its simple, i just want to see what he can do. I will post feats for Meliodas later when I am on pc.

I dont know what Meliodas fighting style is called but his feats are more impressive. What you said about Asta can be said about Meliodas too.
Asta needs ki to fight strong opponents. Meliodas doesn't, his reflexes (to attack, block and dodge) are just insane. Couldn't the people in BC sense Asta's demon magic? If so then Meliodas can absolutely sense Asta (who has no magic).

I see Asta blocking or avoiding more than he attacks. What if Meliodas grabs his sword or Asta himself?
He would need help I guess but Zeldris is in the way.

 

[Makai641001]

Hope y'all aren't referring to me with the "knowledgeable member" stuff. I don't know their AP value, I'm aware of the blood healing abilities, it's just some broader stuff about their power null I wasn't aware of.

Anyway like I said, this is going no where.
Close the match or forfeit the power null crap and have them fight using just asta's AP as Mel and Zel don't depend on magic.

Yuno is definitely getting nulled. Don't see how resisting power null that works through spatial domination would help him resist something like CV that works by erasing the very source of his magic. He'll basically be on support duty here.

Not you don’t worry (I don’t think he was referring to you but I 100% wasn’t)

Fine let’s abandon the Powernull thing for Asta

yeah Yuno def getting nulled

 

[Makai641001]

What is this argument . Its simple, i just want to see what he can do. I will post feats for Meliodas later when I am on pc.

I dont know what Meliodas fighting style is called but his feats are more impressive. What you said about Asta can be said about Meliodas too.
Asta needs ki to fight strong opponents. Meliodas doesn't, his reflexes (to attack, block and dodge) are just insane. Couldn't the people in BC sense Asta's demon magic? If so then Meliodas can absolutely sense Asta (who has no magic).

I see Asta blocking or avoiding more than he attacks. What if Meliodas grabs his sword or Asta himself?
He would need help I guess but Zeldris is in the way.

Why would he need to grab him if ON attract them instantly Asta and Yuno won’t be able to flee

 

[VsReferee]

Why would he need to grab him if ON attract them instantly Asta and Yuno won’t be able to flee

Meant if Meliodas fought Asta and zeldris against Yuno.

If zeldris uses ON, then Meliodas would get sucked too but that ain't a problem tho. He can just stick himself into the ground with darkness. For Asta, he has to stick his sword into the ground. An easy target for Meliodas

 

[Arnoldstone18]

What is this argument . Its simple, i just want to see what he can do. I will post feats for Meliodas later when I am on pc.

I dont know what Meliodas fighting style is called but his feats are more impressive. What you said about Asta can be said about Meliodas too.
Asta needs ki to fight strong opponents. Meliodas doesn't, his reflexes (to attack, block and dodge) are just insane. Couldn't the people in BC sense Asta's demon magic? If so then Meliodas can absolutely sense Asta (who has no magic).

I see Asta blocking or avoiding more than he attacks. What if Meliodas grabs his sword or Asta himself?
He would need help I guess but Zeldris is in the way.

Damn you're less knowledgeable on BC than me on NNT

Do you even look at the pages??

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Anyway start first, because I don't want Makai to strawman my points yet

Show me Meliodas and Zeldris skill feats and I'll match or provide counters or just list mine or all of the above.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Meant if Meliodas fought Asta and zeldris against Yuno.

If zeldris uses ON, then Meliodas would get sucked too but that ain't a problem tho. He can just stick himself into the ground with darkness. For Asta, he has to stick his sword into the ground. An easy target for Meliodas

Black Meteorite that ON. the pull would boost Asta's speed and coupled with homing, Zeldris won't dodge. Asta's massive sword has way more reach so Zeldris just gets skewered.

just one of those thoughts on my mind.

 

[Makai641001]

Black Meteorite that ON. the pull would boost Asta's speed and coupled with homing, Zeldris won't dodge. Asta's massive sword has way more reach so Zeldris just gets skewered.

just one of those thoughts on my mind.

His ON would just strike the blade and get it out of his way isn’t black meteorite a simple sword slash ? If that’s the case instinctive reaction + DM2 slice his head of from meters
ON has a Nice range and He can extend it using darkness

Damn you're less knowledgeable on BC than me on NNT

Do you even look at the pages??

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Anyway start first, because I don't want Makai to strawman my points yet

Show me Meliodas and Zeldris skill feats and I'll match or provide counters or just list mine or all of the above.

Start first, because I don’t want you to ignore the feats again

 

[Makai641001]

I saw the Julius vs Zel debate y’all had
Arnold ignoring points for hours was embarassing to see

So for now We have
-Yuno getting nulled
-Asta can’t null Mel and Zel
-Zel’s ON whiping their ass
-Pretty big skill difference (You ignored What i said it was sad to see)
-And we didn’t even talk about the commandments yet or the new abilities and ranges
-DM2 boost slams again
-Mel and Zel scaling to 75.8 gigatons iirc against 53 gigatons

And you argued for Black meteorite a close range attack that’ll lead to Asta’s head falling on the ground in a bath of blood

You argued for range using « the length of a big sword » as an argument while knowing ON’s range and powers

My question is what do you have left ?
Yuno can’t use magic.
Asta’s main hax won’t work.
They are weaker in terms of AP.
They can’t deal with ON’s range and instinctive reaction.
No skill feats only AD and RPL Which Both Mel and Zel have coupled with actual skill feats and experience

Spare us some Time you’Ve lost that debate about Ki sensing vs ON during the Julius vs Zel debate don’t try to use it plz.

Also someone weaker than Both of them survived and regenerated his chest and stomach getting completely blown up

 

[Arnoldstone18]

And there goes the fun.

 

[Majinere566]

This was never fun

 

[Makai641001]

And there goes the fun.

This was never fun x2 + you argued for hours for something you knew was already debunked still love you tho

 

[Makai641001]

This was never fun

I love you too btw don’t be jealous

 

[Medaka619]

Besides layer this and layer that, meliodas and Zeldris should be far far more superior in skill than Asta and Yuno by a large margin. The battle starts and magic doesn’t work for Zeldris and Meliodas, so then they proceed to beat the shit outta both Asta and Yuno.

 

[Makai641001]

Besides layer this and layer that, meliodas and Zeldris should be far far more superior in skill than Asta and Yuno by a large margin. The battle starts and magic doesn’t work for Zeldris and Meliodas, so then they proceed to beat the shit outta both Asta and Yuno.

Magic ? They are destroyer types they use natural elements Asta can’t null them and they have too much layers of resistance for Asta too so anyway they are ****** therefore they beat the shit outta both Asta and Yuno and can use their magic too
Yuno is the only one that gets nulled here

 

[Medaka619]

Magic ? They are destroyer types they use natural elements Asta can’t null them and they have too much layers of resistance for Asta too so anyway they are ****** therefore they beat the shit outta both Asta and Yuno and can use their magic too
Yuno is the only one that gets nulled here

Never thought I’ll see the day meliodas can resist Astas anti magic.

 

[VsReferee]

Damn you're less knowledgeable on BC than me on NNT

Do you even look at the pages??

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Anyway start first, because I don't want Makai to strawman my points yet

Show me Meliodas and Zeldris skill feats and I'll match or provide counters or just list mine or all of the above.

You may be right, that is why I asked. And nope, you start, like Makai said

Black Meteorite that ON. the pull would boost Asta's speed and coupled with homing, Zeldris won't dodge. Asta's massive sword has way more reach so Zeldris just gets skewered.

just one of those thoughts on my mind.

So..you just assume that Asta cuts through ON without ANY resistance? Do you realize that Zeldris resisted The One?
Asta won't even see an attack coming. Ludociel also used a long weapon.
There will be resistance between Asta and Zeldris. Asta still becomes an easy target for Meliodas..
But Zeldris handles this himself

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Never thought I’ll see the day meliodas can resist Astas anti magic.

He doesnt resist, apparently destroyer types don’t use magic.

You may be right, that is why I asked. And nope, you start, like Makai said


So..you just assume that Asta cuts through ON without ANY resistance? Do you realize that Zeldris resisted The One?
Asta won't even see an attack coming. Ludociel also used a long weapon.
There will be resistance between Asta and Zeldris. Asta still becomes an easy target for Meliodas..
But Zeldris handles this himself

I’ve lost interest, not worth my time. Your buddy is just going to pull more layers out of his ass if I drop mine and I can’t verify cuz I’m not knowledgeable and I doubt you even know what layers are. Tatsumi is fair but I don’t want to put the burden on him to verify.

 

[Makai641001]

He doesnt resist, apparently destroyer types don’t use magic.

They do you are not an exception the rules apply to you too you need layers to affect resistances

I’ve lost interest, not worth my time.

Nice

Your buddy is just going to pull more layers out of his ass if I drop mine and I can’t verify cuz I’m not knowledgeable

Could pretty much say the same about you with your NLF + Ik how layers work that’s the point of the NE argument each form supersede the last to the point it Can null things that resisted before

and I doubt you even know what layers are.

A layer by définition can be acquired once you bypass a Resistance it is how it works and how NE works

Tatsumi is fair but I don’t want to put the burden on him to verify.

Everyone Here is fair you are the only one that stood for BC even when every possible arguments were debunked

I use fair feats citing the arc or character or even the direct statement for y all to verify

Every single thing i used is verifiable the only thing you did was being antagonistic towards me and blame me for things i didn’t even do
Idek why i’m surprised you did the same to multiple other persons
You also had a similar behavior in the Zel vs Novachrono debate you’Ve lost heavily
Multiple people told me you were pretty biased and i understand why

As for this debate if you don’t have anything left to argue for ig your vote can go to Mel and Zel

Asta won’t null them
Yuno gets nulled
DM2 ON neggs their precog
AP superiority
Skill superiority

 

[Makai641001]

What are the votes again ?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

They do you are not an exception the rules apply to you too you need layers to affect resistances

No way did this dude just admit they use magic and now he is going to blatantly ignore the previous layer discussion on anti magic. I'm not even going to read the rest.



**** this. Unfollowing.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Ain't no way the best swordsmanship Meliodas has is that cutting several times in one swing smh

Skill isn't just the way you swing a swing a sword. Factors such as the ability to quickly learn techniques, adapt to situations or opponents, copy techniques, unpredictability, making complex strategies while under pressure etc
They are just as if not more important to determine skill than just knowing how many years of "experience" one has.


AD and RPL can count as skill, not always but it can, so does IR and precog


Now show me feats that make Meliodas a better learner than Asta, more unpredictable, or even better at adapting during a battle. I'll wait.

 

[Tatsumi504]

AD and RPL can count as skill,

They literally don't but okay.

 

[Epsilon_R]

They literally don't but okay.

They literally can. Adapting to someone stronger than you or learning techniques after seeing them once can be skill and many characters are granted genius in combat for that and the rest I mentioned before...

 

[Makai641001]

No way did this dude just admit they use magic and now he is going to blatantly ignore the previous layer discussion on anti magic. I'm not even going to read the rest.



**** this. Unfollowing.

They use destroyer magic type that uses Allows the user to exert magical power with destructive properties, with natural forces or their dark force to fight
Also There were no layer discussion for Anti magic that’s litteraly the point i’m making y’all said He would supersede layers without layers…

Ain't no way the best swordsmanship Meliodas has is that cutting several times in one swing smh

Damn and Here goes the « knowledgable dude on NNT »
Their best feats might be the one in Which they are stated to solo Excalibur amped Arthur and that he can’t cross swords on Equal terms with them even with comp great swordsmasters

The fact that Mel 1v3 dudes on par with him

Learn a technique after seeing it once and upgrade it

Can learn patterns of movements to trap people He can’t sense

Both can invent strats during fights like Mel in 1v3 against 2 diamond ranks + the best mage in Liones that could save Gil’s Gf while fighting
Both are master tacticians that stood against a whole race during a war

Zel adapted to Mael in seconds despite being far weaker

Adapted to King too

Skill isn't just the way you swing a swing a sword.

No one said that

Factors such as the ability to quickly learn techniques, adapt to situations or opponents, copy techniques, unpredictability, making complex strategies while under pressure etc

-Quickly learn techniques:
-Mel uses Trillion Dark after learning King’s technique

Adapt to situations:
-Mel adapting to a 1v3 situation with a mage attacking him, adapting to 3 movements patterns at the same time

-Used NE to get out of a cocoon that he couldn’t destroy Using his normal darkness based magic

Adapt to opps:
-Mel adapting to invisible opps predicting their movements countering their attacks and trapping them
Adapt to 3 dudes on par with him and manage to pull a W by saving Margaret

Copy techniques:
-Copied King’s ability could copy a part of his master technique

Unpredictability:
-Is the most versatile character in his verse can use physicals or éléments at the same time his movement pattern is difficult to learn since He pretty much can change his arsenal mid fight

-Often traps his opps by leading them where he wants to to FC them

Make complex strategies under pressure:
-Made up a strategy to save Margaret while in a 1v3 with equipped fully amped God tier Holy knights

-Is a King that confronts the knights of Chaos in a huge war every day adapting his strategy to the biggest and strongest opponent He ever faced

-Created a tactic to immobilize and kill someone that can’t be immobilized and can’t be killed either during a quick travel

They are just as if not more important to determine skill than just knowing how many years of "experience" one has.

Experience is also very important and once more Mel and Zel’s thousands of years of experience is a better argument than a few months of experience

AD and RPL can count as skill, not always but it can, so does IR and precog

Not sure about that but okay both Mel and Zel have AD and Adapted multiple times to stronger opps

Their power grows the more they deliver NE which count as RPL

Mel has instinctive reactions with his darkness

Zel have instinctive reactions with his darkness and full react

Tho they don’t really have precog they can sense and predict movements and avoid things they don’t see before it happens but it ain’t precog iirc

Also precog is useless in this MU

Now show me feats that make Meliodas a better learner than Asta, more unpredictable, or even better at adapting during a battle. I'll wait.

Don’t know if we can say better but he has the exact same abilities + actual fighting skills + actual experience

iirc y’all lost skillwise to Natsu
Mel alone won skillwise

It’s not a shame y’all need to stop underating NNT so much

And stop hyping up mid feats too