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Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread

Just wanna point out since I was also responsible for giving 50 km horizon distance the green light that I wasn’t aware that several CGMs in the past said it was flawed.

I was just going off the horizon distance page
 
Makai64100 said:
Sorry then i like you a lot you are just a Speedster of your kind sometimes you are kind but sometimes you are a bit frustrating

Ark erase entirely the body and leaves nothing behind and can even erase the Soul it follows the definition + the Soul in NNT has special caracteristics

Hellblaze made a Scar to Ban.
But:
-Only evidence out of the 3 or 4 where he don’t want to kill/null his flames
-Fraudrin lost his body couldn’t regen even overtime
-I explained more about SD and Goddess things in the thread
-Ban’s body is shown to be inconsistant with injuries the fact that There is a scar and nothing more is due to the early stoppage of the flames
-It is stated that it completely null even Ban’s regen Mel just didn’t want to kill him

The calc thing:
We have someone that usually wants to debunk everything without any good reason that says something that is contradicted by Both a Calc member and the page in itself so we doubt you that’s maybe mean but ig it’s how you formatted us

Jap translation thing:
You have no knowledge I would know about
The arguments were mid (By Asura agreed on this)
You often use your influence to bring in people and outvote

Because sometimes it’s just not that good Mitch

No calling someone who acts dumb « dumb » isn’t a bad thing

Then don’t try to correct things that does not go against the standards and rules
Ark isn’t Hellblaze isn’t and the gc wasn’t

ik that’s what I said earlier to Zezu
I’ll still listen to you when your arguments are at least acceptable
Not when it’s total bs
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It's fine, I understand why y'all don't like me

Nobody likes the guy who has to step in and be the strict guy that lays down the rules
 
According to Aether another cgm also agrees with the 50km end since its on the cloud page

It's either that the faulty 50km notion is outdated and thus not implemented

Or that it just hasn't been implemented. We haven't found a crt for it so going off what is on the page makes sense of now
 
www.cnews.fr

A quelle distance se situe l'horizon d'un observateur ?

Même avec un ciel dégagé, notre horizon n’est pas infini. Ainsi, une personne de taille moyenne, mesurant environ 1,70 m, qui se tient au niveau de la mer et sans aucun obstacle devant elle, peut voir jusqu’à environ 4,7 kilomètres de distance. Ensuite, la courbure du globe terrestre commence à...
www.cnews.fr www.cnews.fr

Going with this We can see up to 64 km by clear time and at around 350 m of altitude
Edit:324 m
 
Guys, the reason the 50 Km is wrong is cause you all are thinking about it very wrong

You see the first shot of Estarossa sitting in the water and you see clear skies, so you assume "Oh, that means we can use the 50 Km distance", but that's not where the horizon scaling comes from. The horizon scaling for clouds is based on the shots that actually have the clouds in them. At what point in the scene do we see the clouds actually extend to the horizon? We never see the clouds reach the horizon in any of the shots, so we used the default assumption for all horizon based feats, which is a GENEROUS 20 Km. Which honestly is also dubious to use in hindsight, but I'm ok with it since it's the default.

Point is...

1. The initial shot where Estarossa is chilling in the ocean does not go into the feat that considers cloud distance based on horizon

2. The clouds never actually extend to the horizon in any of the shots

3. When the clouds are actually on panel, it is not a VERY CLEAR DAY, cause we can clearly see water everywhere, a huge tornado storm, and lightning

So yeah, the 50 Km version of the calc is very flawed and shouldn't be used. A lot of people get horizon distances and cloud feats wrong when it comes to the site. I've been doing this for years now and have been through the grind when it comes to cloud calcs. So I know the ins and outs and this contention and misuse of horizon distances is why I dislike them so much. The original Low 6-B version of the calc definitely had flaws in the logic, but I was ok with it since our default horizon distance is in fact 20 Km.
 
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DemonGodMitchAubin said:
You see the first shot of Estarossa sitting in the water and you see clear skies, so you assume "Oh, that means we can use the 50 Km distance", but that's not where the horizon scaling comes from. The horizon scaling for clouds is based on the shots that actually have the clouds in them
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What panel in particular are you talking about?
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Guys, the reason the 50 Km is wrong is cause you all are thinking about it very wrong

You see the first shot of Estarossa sitting in the water and you see clear skies, so you assume "Oh, that means we can use the 50 Km distance", but that's not where the horizon scaling comes from. The horizon scaling for clouds is based on the shots that actually have the clouds in them. At what point in the scene do we see the clouds actually extend to the horizon? We never see the clouds reach the horizon in any of the shots, so we used the default assumption for all horizon based feats, which is a GENEROUS 20 Km. Which honestly is also dubious to use in hindsight, but I'm ok with it since it's the default.

Point is...

1. The initial shot where Estarossa is chilling in the ocean does not go into the feat that considers cloud distance based on horizon

2. The clouds never actually extend to the horizon in any of the shots

3. When the clouds are actually on panel, it is not a VERY CLEAR DAY, cause we can clearly see water everywhere, a huge tornado storm, and lightning

So yeah, the 50 Km version of the calc is very flawed and shouldn't be used. A lot of people get horizon distances and cloud feats wrong when it comes to the site. I've been doing this for years now and have been through the grind when it comes to cloud calcs. So I know the ins and outs and this contention and misuse of horizon distances is why I dislike them so much. The original Low 6-B version of the calc definitely had flaws in the logic, but I was ok with it since our default horizon distance is in fact 20 Km.
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Isn’t the curvature in itself supposed to be the horizon

When will it be updated ?
 
Makai64100 said:
Sorry then i like you a lot you are just a Speedster of your kind sometimes you are kind but sometimes you are a bit frustrating
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This is an insult in itself

For starters, all of yall grow tf up

Secondly, I've also heard repeatedly that 50km horizon distance is wrong and I could've sworn we used 30
 
anywho .. i just wish demon told us this weeks ago :/ .. it seems like from that scan someone showed.. arthur is fighting them now? lol damn didnt think he could come so soon
 
KingTempest said:
This is an insult in itself

For starters, all of yall grow tf up

Secondly, I've also heard repeatedly that 50km horizon distance is wrong and I could've sworn we used 30
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btw is it possible for you to tell others to stop making matches? we currently in a whole update mode and they keep mass making matches .
 
Zezu1995 said:
btw is it possible for you to tell others to stop making matches? we currently in a whole update mode and they keep mass making matches .
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That’s annoying but they have the right to do so apparently

I don’t have Time for it anymore i’ve argued for 2 days and nobody voted even though We went back and forth in everything 😹

I’ll let Majin and co handle it

i’ll go to sleep see you tomorrow

I wake up at 9:00 AM (France) and am working/in formation till 5:30 PM then working out or getting outside with my gf
and then on vsbw for a moment or working on NNT upgrades and then going to sleep so I will respond around 8:00 PM probably if y’all talk to me (Maybe at 9:00 when I wake up)
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Guys, the reason the 50 Km is wrong is cause you all are thinking about it very wrong

You see the first shot of Estarossa sitting in the water and you see clear skies, so you assume "Oh, that means we can use the 50 Km distance", but that's not where the horizon scaling comes from. The horizon scaling for clouds is based on the shots that actually have the clouds in them. At what point in the scene do we see the clouds actually extend to the horizon? We never see the clouds reach the horizon in any of the shots, so we used the default assumption for all horizon based feats, which is a GENEROUS 20 Km. Which honestly is also dubious to use in hindsight, but I'm ok with it since it's the default.
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You should be the most one know full of the context they made. Since you also read it.
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Point is...

1. The initial shot where Estarossa is chilling in the ocean does not go into the feat that considers cloud distance based on horizon

2. The clouds never actually extend to the horizon in any of the shots
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They are make blank dimension other plane, in order to fill up the ocean at the first, there is LITERALLY no cloud in the first. You can even see they are not even in same place with estarossa.
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
3. When the clouds are actually on panel, it is not a VERY CLEAR DAY, cause we can clearly see water everywhere, a huge tornado storm, and lightning
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Later sariel starting make the entire nimbostratus cloud with his tornado power to summon lightning to disintegrated estarossa, nothing less and more.

DemonGodMitchAubin said:
So yeah, the 50 Km version of the calc is very flawed and shouldn't be used. A lot of people get horizon distances and cloud feats wrong when it comes to the site. I've been doing this for years now and have been through the grind when it comes to cloud calcs. So I know the ins and outs and this contention and misuse of horizon distances is why I dislike them so much. The original Low 6-B version of the calc definitely had flaws in the logic, but I was ok with it since our default horizon distance is in fact 20 Km.
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So you're kind a biased now yeah, where's ur argument before said it was outdated and can't be used and change it to very flawed , even you ignore me when i asking where is the discussion about this 50km so i can believe ur words.
 
Got back early due to a schedule screw up.

Anyway, flawed arguments (kind of an arbitrary metric, in and of itself) does not equal biased. I personally disagree with a ton of Mitch's points on NNT, but this hate is getting ridiculous. Like, even if we were somehow entirely objective, anyone could point out all the wrong shit we've all said and call any of us biased.

Plus, you could get banned.

I'll try to finish off the other stuff by Wednesday, and you "people" can solve this horizon buffoonery.

I have a question, though. If we revert to the Low 6-B version, can we get much higher?
 
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ByAsura said:
Got back early due to a schedule screw up.

Anyway, flawed arguments (kind of an arbitrary metric, in and of itself) does not equal biased. I personally disagree with a ton of Mitch's points on NNT, but this hate is getting ridiculous. Like, even if we were somehow entirely objective, anyone could point out all the wrong shit we've all said and call any of us biased.

Plus, you could get banned.

I'll try to finish off the other stuff by Wednesday, and you "people" can solve this horizon buffoonery.

I have a question, though. If we revert to the Low 6-B version, can we get much higher?
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So will the scaling chain drop earlier or still Wednesday?
 
Aether_ said:
You should be the most one know full of the context they made. Since you also read it.

They are make blank dimension other plane, in order to fill up the ocean at the first, there is LITERALLY no cloud in the first. You can even see they are not even in same place with estarossa.

Later sariel starting make the entire nimbostratus cloud with his tornado power to summon lightning to disintegrated estarossa, nothing less and more.


So you're kind a biased now yeah, where's ur argument before said it was outdated and can't be used and change it to very flawed , even you ignore me when i asking where is the discussion about this 50km so i can believe ur words.
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ByAsura said:
Got back early due to a schedule screw up.

Anyway, flawed arguments (kind of an arbitrary metric, in and of itself) does not equal biased. I personally disagree with a ton of Mitch's points on NNT, but this hate is getting ridiculous. Like, even if we were somehow entirely objective, anyone could point out all the wrong shit we've all said and call any of us biased.

Plus, you could get banned.

I'll try to finish off the other stuff by Wednesday, and you "people" can solve this horizon buffoonery.

I have a question, though. If we revert to the Low 6-B version, can we get much higher?
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Also how’s life?
 
Fine. Hby?

I'll try get everything finished by Wednesday, but I'm not sure if that's when it'll come out due to this horizon bs.
 
Got back early due to a schedule screw up.
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Nice

Anyway, flawed arguments (kind of an arbitrary metric, in and of itself) does not equal biased. I personally disagree with a ton of Mitch's points on NNT, but this hate is getting ridiculous. Like, even if we were somehow entirely objective, anyone could point out all the wrong shit we've all said and call any of us biased.
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Like i said to him (created a whole GC with him) there’s no hate
As for the metric 50km bs He seems to say that clouds are needed in a panel for us to determine à distance to the horizon

My stance is that We only need planet curvature/where it visually stops and pov height (but i’m not a CG member so i might be wrong)

Plus, you could get banned.
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Some dudes drawing rape scenes and pedophile hentai bs don’t get ban and abuse their position therefore i hope Mitch Zezu Me and the others aren’t getting banned for a discussion
I'll try to finish off the other stuff by Wednesday, and you "people" can solve this horizon buffoonery.
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Yaaay

I have a question, though. If we revert to the Low 6-B version, can we get much higher?
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I don’t have the reference of this meme but i laughed
 
Atmospheric occlusion is a thing to some extent, and (unless you're on the moon, or another celestial body with no atmosphere) it can prevent a clear view of the horizon. But that's heavily dependent on multiple factors.

Literally know of nobody who does that on this wiki.

Basically, this meme + this meme.
 
ByAsura said:
Atmospheric occlusion is a thing to some extent, and (unless you're on the moon, or another celestial body with no atmosphere) it can prevent a clear view of the horizon. But that's heavily dependent on multiple factors.

Literally know of nobody who does that on this wiki.

Basically, this meme + this meme.
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Mb ik about this master piece 😭

What is your opinion on the use of 50km?

I saw on French articles the horizon is depending on height.

Can’t We determine the pov’s height and use it to give a proper estimate of the Horizon distance ?

324m would allow by very clear Time with no clouds/calm sky to see at 64 km
 
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