Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread

[ByAsura]

This one is heavily dependent on what gets accepted due to kinetic energy rules and very specific scaling. That's all I'll say for the vast majority of the scaling.

As for the actual scaling, it's potentially up to 4x SoL for the 100% Deities.

Basically, Demon King Meliodas one-shot 2nd Mark Zeldris, whose reaction speed was fast enough to keep up with Flash while just using his normal Demon Mark.

 

[speedster352]

This one is heavily dependent on what gets accepted due to kinetic energy rules and very specific scaling. That's all I'll say for the vast majority of the scaling.

As for the actual scaling, it's potentially up to 4x SoL for the 100% Deities.

Basically, Demon King Meliodas one-shot 2nd Mark Zeldris, whose reaction speed was fast enough to keep up with Flash while just using his normal Demon Mark.

What about the new multipliers and Elizabeth scaling?

 

[ByAsura]

A lot of that doesn't confirmably translate to speed, or really make a lot of sense.

 

[speedster352]

A lot of that doesn't confirmably translate to speed, or really make a lot of sense.

But assualt does multiply speed we seen this with demon mark. Also hermit of moments blitz Zeldris too but couldn’t one shot him unlike the DK. Also this is a fatigued Zeldris since demon regeneration doesn’t restore vitality and the damage still remains. Elizabeth blitz both ludociel and the indura

 

[ByAsura]

But assualt does multiply speed we seen this with demon mark.

I literally said nothing about Assault Mode, I said 'a lot of that'.

Also hermit of moments blitz Zeldris too but couldn’t one shot him unlike the DK.

Is this supposed to be supporting evidence?

Also this is a fatigued Zeldris since demon regeneration doesn’t restore vitality and the damage still remains.

Cool, no 4x SoL scaling, then.

Elizabeth blitz both ludociel and the indura

Which doesn't require being 2x faster than them. Also, she was blitzed by base Derieri.

 

[speedster352]

I literally said nothing about Assault Mode, I said 'a lot of that'.

Is this supposed to be supporting evidence?

Cool, no 4x SoL scaling, then.

Which doesn't require being 2x faster than them. Also, she was

Never mind Zeldris shouldn’t have gotten that weaker he has superhuman stamina after all. Yes the hermit was more supprting evidence. Also laughs with demon mark Meliodas one shorting hunter fest ban who was faster than Meliodas in base before hunter fest.

 

[ByAsura]

Never mind Zeldris shouldn’t have gotten that weaker he has superhuman stamina after all.

I was mostly joking (especially since I knew you'd give this response). We know for a fact that Zeldris at least retained most of his power (his recovery after The One thrashed him makes this evident), and he was probably raged amped.

Also laughs with demon mark Meliodas one shorting hunter fest ban who was faster than Meliodas in base before hunter fest.

That's being included.

 

[Zezu1995]

did anyone see my old post about my own personally speed for NNT?

 

[ByAsura]

Yes, and it was debunked to hell and back.

I'll try find the original post.

Edit: Original post and thread where Gowther stuff was denied.

Flash is accepted, but Ark shit isn't.

 

[Zezu1995]

personally i only count gowther when hes using his BOW but thats just me. also chandler vs drole/glox should be solid scailing no? he was transformed and it was night

 

[ByAsura]

Herritt is his sacred treasure, not the light itself. So that's a weird distinction.

Night isn't stated to affect physicals.

Also, Night OG Demon was outclassed in every capacity by the same Ludoshel you're trying to scale Drole to.

It's bad scaling, it's hugely circular, and it basically makes everyone in the series faster than Flash based on events that are clearly massive outliers.

 

[Zezu1995]

he was outclassed by true body tho but i do get what you saying

 

[ByAsura]

I thought you were trying to use Drole tagging True Body.

Still, Flash is stated in both True Body and his vessel to be SoL.

 

[speedster352]

I was mostly joking (especially since I knew you'd give this response). We know for a fact that Zeldris at least retained most of his power (his recovery after The One thrashed him makes this evident), and he was probably raged amped.

That's being included.

Yes so assualt mode multipler can be used for speed since berserk Meliodas also blitz ban and Merlin describe this as a lingering residue of his original powers

 

[Zezu1995]

mel also blitz galand after getting back his power and he couldnt before soo something is giving them a speed buff just not sure

 

[speedster352]

mel also blitz galand after getting back his power and he couldnt before soo something is giving them a speed buff just not sure

Yeah for Meliodas a boost in power also increased his speed

 

[Makai641001]

Herritt is his sacred treasure, not the light itself. So that's a weird distinction.

Night isn't stated to affect physicals.

Also, Night OG Demon was outclassed in every capacity by the same Ludoshel you're trying to scale Drole to.

It's bad scaling, it's hugely circular, and it basically makes everyone in the series faster than Flash based on events that are clearly massive outliers.

Also Cuzack was able to dodge Ludo using Flash multiple times at one point

 

[speedster352]

My final thread for nnt https://vsbattles.com/threads/nnt-physiology-rework.138970/

We need input here

It's against the wiki's rules to upscale like that.

Also, he definitely outsped him to grab his wrist, but there's no indication of a perception blitz.

Also instead or saying yes maybe you can mention the things you completed in the scaling chain

 

[speedster352]

Also Cuzack was able to dodge Ludo using Flash multiple times at one point

Lidociel was weakening after expending all that magic power and being damage badly by Zeldris Omnious nebula.

 

[speedster352]

I'm like a quarter way through the Tristan sandbox, I'm having difficulties wording some shit

Hypothetically if it were second demon mark which it should logically since it was in the middle of the forehead where would that scale Tristian ap

 

[Zezu1995]

meh its w.,e the current scailing etc for the upgrade is fine, no need to add on to it . until we get more info. im just waiting for the new chapter

 

[speedster352]

So can we scale Gawain and percival to Galand to Galand. I mean Galand didn’t break a sweat against them although they feints damaged and ultimately defeated him.

 

[speedster352]

Can we use the destroyer enchantment in the cursed by the light movie? Byashura is neutral about this. It would be a 10x amp and put them at continental. This will only scale to SD barrier which would just still be higher with barrier.

 

[Zezu1995]

naw no scailing the amp yet till we see a sin use it , imo

 

[Makai641001]

Lidociel was weakening after expending all that magic power and being damage badly by Zeldris Omnious nebula.

As Asura said his flash stays the same no matter the form he is in and he started to feel the weakening of his vessel after Cuzack dodged multiple attacks

 

[ByAsura]

I think it does in this case, because he previously blitzed Chandler and Cusack, and proceeded to blitz OG Demon.

But I am planning to give Cusack a likely higher for that.

 

[Zezu1995]

I think it does in this case, because he previously blitzed Chandler and Cusack, and proceeded to blitz OG Demon.

But I am planning to give Cusack a likely higher for that.

chandler would follow? seems him and cusack are equals

 

[ByAsura]

Yes.

 

[Majinere566]

Hypothetically if it were second demon mark which it should logically since it was in the middle of the forehead where would that scale Tristian ap

What if hypothetically you do the math

 

[speedster352]

What if hypothetically you do the math

Okay what would his ap be? Also where does Lancelot scale?

Yes.

 

[Makai641001]

I think it does in this case, because he previously blitzed Chandler and Cusack, and proceeded to blitz OG Demon.

But I am planning to give Cusack a likely higher for that.

Okay nice

 

[speedster352]

Read this

 

[ByAsura]

The fanfiction was so disappointing that the page didn't even load.

 

[speedster352]

The fanfiction was so disappointing that the page didn't even load.

Why? Use the app instead it’s actually pretty good.

 

[ByAsura]

I will certainly not. I don't need any more disappointment.

 

[Majinere566]

Okay what would his ap be? Also where does Lancelot scale?

Idk figure it out

 

[speedster352]

I will certainly not. I don't need any more disappointment.

Where does Lancelot scale Tristan said he was stronger than himself

 

[ByAsura]

I've told you where Tristan scales, so above that to an unknown extent (I guess).

 

[speedster352]

I've told you where Tristan scales, so above that to an unknown extent (I guess).

So Lancelot is also country level scaling off base Tristian?

 

[ByAsura]

Yes.