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Section 1: Violation of the Canon Rules
Bowser's AP justification states this:
This information comes from a US guidebook, and is contradictory to the information from the game itself. The game states this at different points in time:
Going by this version, Bowser's plan was to create 'his' galaxy, from where he will rule his great galactic empire, that will eventually spread his control to the entire universe. There is nothing here about literally destroying the universe and creating a new one. It is completely unfounded in the game.
As for the fan translation since people say that the English one is always inaccurate, here is one I found that was used previously, I think.
I'll quote:
The first sentence is the same, except instead of galaxy, it mentions star. And the translator is not sure about the remaining part.
It means that Bowser was planning to create a star as the center/core of his empire from where he and his army will rule the universe.
I thought I'd try a different source just to be sure. Here's another translation DragonLord asked a friend to do:
1. The first scan I posted.
"Princess Peach! You are about to witness the birth of a new galaxy of my making!"
2. "I'm putting the finishing touches on the core of my new universe, Great King Planet!"
3. "With this planet in the center, I, along with Peach, will build a 10,000-year Great Galactic Empire!"
4. "And my empire will spread across the whole universe like a big bang!"
According to this translation, it seems that the plan was to create a planet. With that planet in center, he wanted to build a galactic empire (hence the birth of a new galaxy). And then extend his empire across the universe.
Since in Japanese there could be confusion between the word planet and star, that would explain why the two fan translations differ in that respect. But they are consistent with everything else.
Basically, the plan was to create a planet/star, as the core of his (galaxy) galactic empire, from which he will rule the universe.
From the Canon page:
I don't know why a description from a guide is being used over the description in the game when it blatantly contradicts the primary source. This needs to be fixed and we should stop using it.
Section 2: Fixing the Durability
Bowser's durability justification states this:
There are two problems here:
1. The "survived" part here is treated as durability but it overlooks basic context of the feat. Yes, Bowser and everyone "survived" because the entire thing was reset back to the way it was, as if none of it ever happened. Even the destroyed Peach's castle was magically fixed and sent back to the start along with Mario, Peach and Bowser. There is no indication that Bowser actually tanked the explosion. And the argument that is used to imply that is because he stumbles after waking up, which is extremely normal for someone who suddenly tries to stand up as soon as they're awake, and in no way, shape or form does it confirm anything.
2. The second issue is the statement that comes from the same contradictory guide, "the blast that threatens the very fabric of the universe". As pointed above, we should obviously not use this guide, but even then, threatening the "fabric" of the universe =/= Low 2-C (that is destroying the universe) without proper context. Threatening/affecting the "fabric of the universe" is a vague term that is often used to refer to affecting space-time in some manner even if it is on a localized scale, and most of the times depends on context. Hell, even regular black holes (a black hole is part of this feat) affect the fabric of space-time normally. This will be elaborated in the next section since it is not related to Bowser's durability anymore.
Section 3: The Grand (Star) Problem
We currently measure the power of the grand star with the help of the same statement I pointed out in the first section, basically the part "destroying and recreating the universe that Bowser will control". However, dismissing that for reasons pointed out already, we need to figure it out on the basis what happens in the game.
The Grand Star is used as a battery in Bowser's reactor. As per this video, when the reactor becomes unstable, first there is an initial explosion like a mini supernova, which then created a mini black hole that starts sucking Mario, Peach and her castle into it. Hundreds of Lumas (the tiny stars) go toward the black hole in order to stop/cancel it, sacrificing themselves in the process, and that action ultimately results in a massive explosion. Mario finds himself with Rosalina who talks about how the dead stars are born again and the cycle of life and death continues. And then Mario finds himself, Peach, Bowser, the castle and everything back to normal at the starting point.
As for the initial supernova-like explosion that happened due to the reactor, which would scale to the Grand Star, calculating it should be easy, I think. The formation of the mini black hole should also be attributed to the same process. As for the final explosion, it was the result of the black hole + hundreds of Lumas combined. As it covers the entire screen, I don't know whether it can be calculated properly (calc member input is necessary here).
I don't know what to make of the characters, their castles, etc. getting back to the starting point as if nothing happened. Maybe some sort of time manipulation or reset done by Rosalina or something? Or the effect of the Lumas sacrificing themselves? It's left vague. This needs to be decided.
Section 4: Bowser's Scaling to the Grand Star
Bowser's AP justification states:
First of all this justification needs to be corrected because of the reasons pointed out in section 1. But it also assumes that Bowser absorbs all the power the grand star has to offer.
The same guide states that Bowser cannot handle the complete power of a Grand Star as he gets hurt by touching its pure energy. I am obviously not saying we should use this guide as a source since it is already established that it is contradictory, but this is an issue I wanted to point out. We use the guide for Low 2-C when it blatantly contradicts the primary source, but we ignore it in this case to assume something opposite of what's stated.
Even ignoring the guide altogether, sure, Bowser gets amped by an unquantifiable amount, but there seems to be no proof or implication that Bowser absorbs the entirety of the energy from the Grand Star. Especially when he had to build a machine to use the power of a Grand Star for his purposes, and he has shown no feats after absorbing the grand star for us to ascertain how strong he got. We see him throwing rocks and getting defeated by said rocks thrown back at him, but that's about it. Nothing else of the sort that is required to determine his power.
Now I know some may claim that there is nothing to disprove the notion that he absorbs all of the energy, but even if there is nothing to directly disprove (except the guidebook), there still needs to be actual proof of it. The burden of proof is still on the positive claim. Either in the form of a direct statement that they absorbed all the energy or for them to perform at the very least a feat within a few orders of magnitude of what the Power Stars do. If there isn’t that, then they are not assumed to have absorbed all the energy regardless of if we use the guidebook.
Section 5: The Conclusion
- We should not use a guide that blatantly contradicts the primary canon, as this is in clear violation of our canon rules. As such, we should remove all the information on the profiles that come from it. That includes the Low 2-C AP of the Grand Star and Bowser, as per section 1.
- Bowser's durability justification needs to be adjusted accordingly as per the above. And the part that implies he tanked the explosion should be removed as per section 2.
- The Grand Star's actual total energy should be calculated on the basis of the supernova-like explosion and the resulting black hole. The final explosion that is the product of the aforementioned black hole and hundreds of Lumas combined together should also be calculated if needed. The cast getting sent back to the starting position and everything magically being fixed should be discussed, as there is confusion whether it is some time hax or something from Rosalina or some sort of result of the final energy released by the black hole + hundreds of Lumas, as per section 3.
- Bowser being capable of absorbing the entire energy of the power stars is something that is not proved or supported. It should probably be left as an unquantifiable amp, as per section 4.
Agreement: 22 (23?) (AKM sama, Ryukama, Antvasima, Ogbunabali, Damage3245, Everything12, Eficiente, KingTempest, Crabwhale, Dino Ranger Black, Armorchompy, Seol404, Newendigo, Tllmbrg, CrimsonStarFallen, TMaakkonen, DragonLord, Rikimarox2, The Smashor, Cropfist, InfiniteDay, Maverick Zero X (agrees with section 2), ElixirBlue(?))
Disagreement: 8 (DarkDragonMedeus (disagrees with section 1 and 3, but agrees about section 2), I'm Blue (same as DDM), y3p owo (same as DDM), Foxthefox1000, Liluzivert, MikeBro25, Lord JJJ, Bobsican (about section 3 specifically))
(I will update this list later.)
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