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  • why are you marking random profiles for deletion? i can't seem to find any discussions on the forums regarding the profiles
    Seol404
    Seol404
    Purge is in no way over, we still have standards and many pages don't meet them, hence the deletion.
    BigSmoke4269
    BigSmoke4269
    is there actually a page where these standards are listed? because they don't seem to match up with the standards listed on the front page
    Seol404
    Sure. You can pick the time and date
    liluzivert
    liluzivert
    lol no you can't, it's literally in the plot of the game that Mario requires Bowsers strengths to break the rocks, unless you're trying to imply the developers are downplaying their own character. Mario defeating Bowser without outside assistance a few times does not negate the vastly overwhelming amount of times where he couldn't.
    Yeah and it's also within several plots of the game where Mario beats up Bowser physically with barely any effort. Or he also withstands the hits from Bowser. So clearly I guess Nintendo was also wanking their own character in the process. I mean you're clearly outnumbered with the amount of contradictions I brought up, and you just dodged all of them and was like "lol he needs bowser lololololol" while you ignore every other game where Mario is on equal footing.


    Don't care about Sonic we aren't talking about him. Mario getting knocked out by falls is so incredibly common it's almost like Nintendo thinks falls would knock him out. Also lol at uni+ Mario getting knocked out by Tier 8 damage
    Oh I will bring up Sonic. It's the same case but worse. Why not explain to me why sonic is dizzy after a minor fall? And nintendo doesn't even agree with you either

    Was expecting this one, but no. It's far easier to argue that Bowser surviving the Void and battling Count Bleck and Super Dimentio is PIS given it's vastly more inconsistent than every nearly other feat in the whole series.
    Not surprised you have no clue how pis works. PIS from important elements of one story are only PIS when its inconsistent with other important elements from other stories. What you have listed is a bunch of minor shit like getting dizzy after a fall or game mechanics where they want the player to control Bowser. None of these are that relevant to the plot at all. And I'd love for you to prove they are more relevant than the end bosses.

    Also, that same castle can stand in the void with no problems at all. The same void destroys universes. So Bowser is getting crushed by Low 2-C. Not even a remote contradiction unless you want to lie about how AP works. And Bowser is still alive afterwards, almost like you ignored context again.

    So, when you have a character that swings from wall level, to city level, to universe level, but their most common showings are city level, you don't give them universe level and declare everything that contradicts that to be an anti-feat. You find the most consistent showings rate them there. Pointing out that Bowser is stopped by rocks one time but smashes through them in another doesn't prove he's universal, it makes it less likely actually.
    How are you a staff member here and you don't know how to actually powerscale. Lower end showings like casually destroying a building or being dizzy after a fall don't count as consistent showings ever, as they are common in fiction and also makes the story a gigantic contradiction. I don't know why you think some sort of fall mid game changes one of the more relevant parts of the story like beating one of the antagonists. What your implying is that he stops the universal+ threats that causes these games to start, with basically no actual reason. At that point you can't even call it PIS if it's the most relevant piece of these plots.

    Even after all of this. Everything you suggested here as anti-feats are tier 9-8. There's several other casual low end feats that also get "debunked" by this. Don't know how you can argue city level while also saying bowser can't plow through a small bolder.


    He's put into a coma when his castle lands on top of him in BIS, that's not "minor to the plot", so groaning in pain when his castle falls on him is more consistent. Declaring Mario has universal durability and saying that negates every feat is laughable, the amount of times these characters are KO'd by forces well below Tier 6 is staggering, saying the whole verse is Low 2-C based on a few feats then saying everything is AoE or Game mechanics is hilarious given the contradictions.
    Compared to stopping the main threat in the game? Definitely. Bowser downscales from Mario who is Low 2-C, and Mario is also in the way of his goals for most of the series. Thinking a castle falling on top of him is relevant is honestly sad.

    What's even worse is I can use the same logic here to downgrade most game characters on the site. But I guess I can't mention those because they are "not relevant" (even though they have the exact same issues but sure).

    You also forget that we can also say that the castle has Low 2-C potency. It harms Bowser who is Low 2-C. The bombs too. The bombs harm Bowser who is Low 2-C. Those cannonballs? They harm Mario who is Low 2-C. I can say this over and over and nothing gets contradicted, unless you for some reason think attack potency always equates to a certain amount of destruction. And if you think that's ridiculous, cope. I really don't care if you think a castle can't be Low 2-C in a fictional series.
    Seol404
    Seol404
    The whole crux of your arguments boil down to "Everything that doesn't agree with Low 2-C is an anti-feat" which is sad but expected of a Mario supporter on VSBW. The bombs harm Bowser so the bombs are low 2-C is so fucking embarrassing as an argument. "He has 1 Low 2-C feat so everything that harms him scales" is such terrible way of looking at every feat in the series and based on absolutely no logical reasoning. Also since you brought up Sonic, if Sonic was given the same leniency that Mario gets literally every final boss that fought Super Sonic would be Low 2-C, but they aren't because they never demonstrated anything approaching that level of power, why should I assume the bombs are Low 2-C for harming Bowser as opposed to Bowser being Tier 8 for surviving the bombs, when the latter is far more consistent with his general showings? You don't get to say that Low 2-C is consistent because it harms Mario/Bowser if Mario and Bowser are not consistently shown to be Low 2-C, which they most certainly aren't.

    Unfortunately, several of the people in the downgrade server want me to hit the breaks on this debate, so I'll have to stop replying now. I'm sure you'd agree this was a good warm up for the eventual CRT, and I assume I'll be seeing you there, so by all means the debate isn't over, just on pause :)
    liluzivert
    liluzivert
    The whole crux of your arguments boil down to "Everything that doesn't agree with Low 2-C is an anti-feat" which is sad but expected of a Mario supporter on VSBW.
    No. Your arguments were just garbage and I went over why your anti-feats aren't valid at all. You are just dodging half of the points because you can't debunk them. I didn't even get into the amount of low end feats (most are casual btw) that debunk these anti-feats but it looks like I don't even have to do that lol.


    The bombs harm Bowser so the bombs are low 2-C is so fucking embarrassing as an argument. "He has 1 Low 2-C feat so everything that harms him scales" is such terrible way of looking at every feat in the series and based on absolutely no logical reasoning.
    So? Disprove it then. It harms Bowser who is Low 2-C. That's a feat. They can also harm Mario too. Mario and Bowser have multiple Low 2-C feats. You can stay mad but you still aint debunk it. There's already multiple Low 2-C feats on the profiles so they have the tier. Cope.

    Also since you brought up Sonic, if Sonic was given the same leniency that Mario gets literally every final boss that fought Super Sonic would be Low 2-C, but they aren't because they never demonstrated anything approaching that level of power, why should I assume the bombs are Low 2-C for harming Bowser as opposed to Bowser being Tier 8 for surviving the bombs, when the latter is far more consistent with his general showings?
    Sonic bosses don't scale because Super Sonic's positive energy is a variable across games. Maybe do some research on sonic before commenting on him. And I mean just saying, if it wasn't a variable they would still scale. Scaling is a feat, prove otherwise.

    why should I assume the bombs are Low 2-C for harming Bowser as opposed to Bowser being Tier 8 for surviving the bombs, when the latter is far more consistent with his general showings?
    This wasn't even my main argument, in fact you basically latched on to this one because you can't debunk any of the rest. Still doesn't matter though. We went over why Low 2-C and other showings are more relevant than being shaken by a fall (hilarious that you still didn't cover the Sonic example, seems like your ducking here).

    But yeah sure. You should assume the bombs are Low 2-C for harming Bowser because Bowser can also clap dream universes away and withstand the destruction of entire universes. That's a feat for the bombs and it's also consistent. How are you this dumb to the point that you don't know how AP works.

    You don't get to say that Low 2-C is consistent because it harms Mario/Bowser if Mario and Bowser are not consistently shown to be Low 2-C, which they most certainly aren't.
    Idk man, seems pretty damn consistent to me. Why not disprove that they are without using debunked anti-feats.


    Unfortunately, several of the people in the downgrade server want me to hit the breaks on this debate, so I'll have to stop replying now. I'm sure you'd agree this was a good warm up for the eventual CRT, and I assume I'll be seeing you there, so by all means the debate isn't over, just on pause :)
    No? You didn't even cover the points. Mario still slaps Bowser in multiple games. The higher end feats are important to the plot compared to one off falls and comedy moments. You just latched on to "Bob-ombs being Low 2-C is ridiculous" and you can't even debunk that either. I'm not gonna waste my time on vsbw crts, but if this is the competition then I doubt Mario is ever gonna be tier 7 LMAO
    Oh, hey Seol, I just a made a Joke character profile in request of a friend of mine.

    I was wondering if it's good enough to stay and not be deleted...

    Greetings.
    Seol404
    Seol404
    Looks fine at a glance, it's even properly formatted too. It can stay for sure lol.
    Newendigo
    Newendigo
    Ah, thanks for your evaluation, albeit the profile will probably start looking different since my friend wants me to make some changes.
    drawing_man_sarcastic_birthday_meme1.jpg


    Happy Birthday, Seol. 🎂
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