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Final Fantasy Discussion thread I: Four travelers and four crystals.
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Remember Kirito did his universe shaking with just a part of his power, I think it was 20% or 25% so he should be 6 - 7.5 ZettaFoes?PaChi2 said:
@Bware: The one I used as her new profile pic? I googled "Tifa Render" and had to surf through a lot of NSFW fanart >_>. I forgot the exact source, sorry, but apparently it's an edit of her AC portrait to make a full body pic.
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The top of the tier is 1.053x1066 Meaning Kirito is at least above 1 ZettaFoe but not 2, maybe close to 1.5? So if we took the 20% power statement, at least a minimum of 5 ZettaFoe.
Watch me be horribly wrong in this, I can bet I am.
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My bad, the comment appeared while I was writing my response.PaChi2 said:
@Bwear: No problem. Still gonna replace it with her Dissidia NT model when she makes it. XD
Dang, Squall is looking good in that pic! Where is it from? Dissidia?
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Here is a link to the message wall. I have two ability lists. The second one furtherst down is the most recent one. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2890499TartaChocholate said:
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So I brought this up before, but how do FFXIV Summons scale? Specifically Garuda.
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Beat me there as well, I know that the high tiers are ridiculous, but not much else. I am curious of how strong Y'shtola is though.
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oof, I was wondering, because of the XV x XIV crossover a while back.
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Looking for lore on a MMO, especially a FF one, is gonna need a lot of reading.
One thing that's cool is that the PC can change between all of his classes in an instant, and doesn't seem to need to pull out his equipment or anything. I'll love to see how his profile looks if we can make it.
One thing that's cool is that the PC can change between all of his classes in an instant, and doesn't seem to need to pull out his equipment or anything. I'll love to see how his profile looks if we can make it.
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Ugh, not only the game itself, bet XIV has a truckload of side materials, such as guidebooks and perhaps novels and such detailing the plot points not covered in the game itself. It's gonna take a lot of work.
Switching skills on the fly is a huge deal. The XIV protagonist could have a massive skillset in his article thanks to that.
Switching skills on the fly is a huge deal. The XIV protagonist could have a massive skillset in his article thanks to that.
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He does have a massive skillset, as I think it's canonical that he has all the classes. He even changes to the class already equipped with tge relevant equipment.
And the best part is the Echo they get bestowed with. Not only does it protect him from Tempering, pretty much mind control, from the Primals it is also the explanation for AoE markers appearing, warning him of impending Doom and severe injury. Every raid where you lose and are wiped out is described as the Echo letting you see a doomed possibility of the future, and redoing raids or battles in higher difficulty is using the Echo to relive memories of the fight and so, become stronger by overcoming it. Would still need to find where all this info is, of course.
And the best part is the Echo they get bestowed with. Not only does it protect him from Tempering, pretty much mind control, from the Primals it is also the explanation for AoE markers appearing, warning him of impending Doom and severe injury. Every raid where you lose and are wiped out is described as the Echo letting you see a doomed possibility of the future, and redoing raids or battles in higher difficulty is using the Echo to relive memories of the fight and so, become stronger by overcoming it. Would still need to find where all this info is, of course.
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Oh well. Could've had some potential XV upgrades or maybe even XIV upgrades.
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The XV side of the Crossover actually is canon to the story. The problem is when we get into dissidia and Mobius. Games like those
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@Lancelot: Sounds crazy good if you ask me. There's also all the stuff regarding lore the protagonist would scale to or details from primals that affect him as well. But it would take a while
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It's likely we'll miss something anyway at some point, but there's still a lot to recollect. In a way, it sounds fun.
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Say, been wondering about something. Is there any reference anywhere to how cold Shiva's Diamond Dust is? I want to see if I can get away with slapping Absolute Zero in the profiles =P
For that matter, given the series uses recurring summons, spells and abilities their properties could pass from one game to the other, even if the reference isn't explicit. Of course, they are not exactly the same and may have differing properties, but the nature itself of the move or summon could be shared.
For that matter, given the series uses recurring summons, spells and abilities their properties could pass from one game to the other, even if the reference isn't explicit. Of course, they are not exactly the same and may have differing properties, but the nature itself of the move or summon could be shared.
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Shivar can use Absolute Zero. Shiva's Diamond Dust is therefore > Absolute Zero as Shiva is > Shivar.
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Hmm, that sounds great, but can we make a case for it? I mean, Absolute Zero could be just a name, in the same way Big Bang Attack is not a Big Bang nor Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon (which is a pretty frggin badass name) is a star destroying move.
It would help if somewhere stated "Shiva (or this Ice Monster weaker than Shiva) can reach temperatures of Absolute Zero" or something along those lines.
EDIT: If it counts then anyone who can Summon Shiva should get it, but that's precisely why I think we really need to make a solid case given we're talking about spreading a lot a very OP ability here.
It would help if somewhere stated "Shiva (or this Ice Monster weaker than Shiva) can reach temperatures of Absolute Zero" or something along those lines.
EDIT: If it counts then anyone who can Summon Shiva should get it, but that's precisely why I think we really need to make a solid case given we're talking about spreading a lot a very OP ability here.
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This is cool
@Tarta Absolute Zero is a very specific name for the attack. If it wasnt meant to be Absolute Zero, they could have named it Blizzaja or it could have been Blizzaga.
Its stated that Shiva freezes everything in an instant. Instantaneous freezing, even stuff like Ifrit (as seen in XV). You could make a case. She seems to negate durability.
"The empress of ice, wreathed in frost. She is known for her signature move, 'Diamond Dust', which freezes everything in an instant."
@Tarta Absolute Zero is a very specific name for the attack. If it wasnt meant to be Absolute Zero, they could have named it Blizzaja or it could have been Blizzaga.
Its stated that Shiva freezes everything in an instant. Instantaneous freezing, even stuff like Ifrit (as seen in XV). You could make a case. She seems to negate durability.
"The empress of ice, wreathed in frost. She is known for her signature move, 'Diamond Dust', which freezes everything in an instant."
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Just from that description and the name, I feel it's a rather conclusive case. Also! What a combo of innocent, not working innocent magical girls and that song.
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Hnnnnnggg....! Sounds so good! I really don't want to be a buzzkill but, * takes a deep breath *
@PaChi and Lancelot: That's her description in Dissidia right? I remember it, a while back I was looking for for evidence for Absolute Zero in Final Fantasy and came across that. However, the the Absolute Zero Feats in Fictio page says this:
Things That Are NOT Foolproof Indicators of Absolute Zero
Absolute Zero is the point of cold at which enthalpy and entropy hit their minimum level. It is the ultimate form of freezing and in the theoretical situation that someone is exposed to it, their body will be frozen at the atomic level before collapsing under their own mass since the loss of energy causes the atoms to lose their cohesiveness.
So, flash freezing while formidable in its own right, is not quite enough. A better case can be done, as you guys mention, with the name of the skill being Absolute Zero in conjunction with the powerful flash freezing. But I still think we need a step further.
A good thing is that the japanese name of the technique is þÁÂÕ»¥ÚøÂÕ║ª (Zettai Reido) which is actually Absolute Zero in japanese, meaning is not a translation issue.
Also, in Crisis Core enemies can also use an ability called Absolute Zero on Zack, perhaps we can work that as well, though there is not even non-elemental and its used by a normal enemy.
That also raises another doubt for me. Would this make Ifrit's fire count as Hellfire Manipulation? Descriptions in the lore would help there as well.
@PaChi and Lancelot: That's her description in Dissidia right? I remember it, a while back I was looking for for evidence for Absolute Zero in Final Fantasy and came across that. However, the the Absolute Zero Feats in Fictio page says this:
Things That Are NOT Foolproof Indicators of Absolute Zero
- Flash Freezing: Any sufficiently powerful ice user is able to flash freeze most objects since every material has a freezing point. As a result, it is not a proper indicator of absolute zero.
Absolute Zero is the point of cold at which enthalpy and entropy hit their minimum level. It is the ultimate form of freezing and in the theoretical situation that someone is exposed to it, their body will be frozen at the atomic level before collapsing under their own mass since the loss of energy causes the atoms to lose their cohesiveness.
So, flash freezing while formidable in its own right, is not quite enough. A better case can be done, as you guys mention, with the name of the skill being Absolute Zero in conjunction with the powerful flash freezing. But I still think we need a step further.
A good thing is that the japanese name of the technique is þÁÂÕ»¥ÚøÂÕ║ª (Zettai Reido) which is actually Absolute Zero in japanese, meaning is not a translation issue.
Also, in Crisis Core enemies can also use an ability called Absolute Zero on Zack, perhaps we can work that as well, though there is not even non-elemental and its used by a normal enemy.
That also raises another doubt for me. Would this make Ifrit's fire count as Hellfire Manipulation? Descriptions in the lore would help there as well.
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"An eidolon called the Ice Queen. Her beauty hides a cold heart that leaves enemies frozen forever."
"The summon Shiva wields ice and snow to send all that live into eternal sleep. The Ice Queen's frosty breath instantaneously freezes enemies, before a graceful snap of her fingers shatters the ice forever..."
"The summon Shiva wields ice and snow to send all that live into eternal sleep. The Ice Queen's frosty breath instantaneously freezes enemies, before a graceful snap of her fingers shatters the ice forever..."
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Now we're talking! I assume the first quote is from IV, the second is from X? IIRC that's where she finishes Diamond Dust with a pretty sassy finger snap.
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Hmmm.... I think we can also make a case for Ifrit having Hellfire manipulation.
We have this stuff:
From FFXIV official website:
"Even amongst the primals, Ifrit is highly given to savagery, his temper quick to erupt in a conflagration of death. His breath ignites the very air, his claws melt the strongest steel, and his twisted horns scorch the heavens. Those who would face him must be prepared to withstand the fires of hell."
This exchange in Dissidia 012:
Ifrit: The flames of hell turn all to dust. Power will decide the victor." Vaan: "Flames of hell? I've heard that before... I don't know you, but will you help me?" Ifrit: "I am Ifrit. I shall lend my strength, Champions of Cosmos." Vaan: "Hm... Okay. Well, nice to meet you Ifrit.
Not to mention the several descriptions about him about hellish and infernal. It may be worth a look.
We have this stuff:
From FFXIV official website:
"Even amongst the primals, Ifrit is highly given to savagery, his temper quick to erupt in a conflagration of death. His breath ignites the very air, his claws melt the strongest steel, and his twisted horns scorch the heavens. Those who would face him must be prepared to withstand the fires of hell."
This exchange in Dissidia 012:
Ifrit: The flames of hell turn all to dust. Power will decide the victor." Vaan: "Flames of hell? I've heard that before... I don't know you, but will you help me?" Ifrit: "I am Ifrit. I shall lend my strength, Champions of Cosmos." Vaan: "Hm... Okay. Well, nice to meet you Ifrit.
Not to mention the several descriptions about him about hellish and infernal. It may be worth a look.
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Let' use thid scene
Assuming Ifrit's flames can melt steel, freezing him at that speed must mean Shiva's ice is... VERY cold.
I wonder if we could calc it?
Assuming Ifrit's flames can melt steel, freezing him at that speed must mean Shiva's ice is... VERY cold.
I wonder if we could calc it?
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ARRGH XV SPOILERS THEY BUUUUURRNNNN!!!
Yeah, I still havent' played XV and by some miracle and twist of fate I've managed to avoid almost everything regarding the plot. I have to get to it as soon as I finish replaying VII (either that or go for KH III).
It may be worth asking knowledgeable members. Can the person who made the Eden calc help in this case?
Yeah, I still havent' played XV and by some miracle and twist of fate I've managed to avoid almost everything regarding the plot. I have to get to it as soon as I finish replaying VII (either that or go for KH III).
It may be worth asking knowledgeable members. Can the person who made the Eden calc help in this case?
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Sweet. Let's cross our fingers for a good result. It could help to make a case for Absolute Zero for Shiva.
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