Fairy Tail Hundred Year Quest Discussion Thread 10

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

It's not that Erza is more durable without the armor, it's just that Erza has always had insane stamina in this form, as you can see in the chapter, she keeps getting pummbled down, but she keeps getting up

 

[ShadowGun45]

Erza's magic was thrown away, she only wears the rags and forgot about the other 100 armor she has

there's no sense she has magic to summon armor if she only needs swords

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Fire Pants is easily her strongest offensive form, she puts no magic into armor and defense, she just puts into her physical abilities, hence it makes 0 sense, but it's consistent

 

[Peter1129]

So I guess we add higher with Red Lightning Dragon Mode to Laxus' profile for both his X792 and Hundred Years Quest key right? He did use it to defeat Wall in the Alvarez Arc.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

^Yeah, basically

 

[CNBA3]

Laxus was not higher now than when he was before as he was not hurt as bad as he was back then. And Laxus was not sick when he was fighting base Wall, it doesn't work that way. And red lightning amped him from all the damage that he accumulated overtime, no proof that he would have one shot without it

Wall was still not going down from his attacks regardless of lightning, which Means other base Spriggans are not one shot by are Laxus

 

[ShadowGun45]

I just think Hiro could enjoy other armor.

Hey, Mitch, could you calculate the done in chapter 44? it doesn't have to be today since you are overloaded

 

[CNBA3]

I just think Hiro could enjoy other armor.

Hey, Mitch, could you calculate the done in chapter 44? it doesn't have to be today since you are overloaded

It cannot, that is just hax power up

 

[Peter1129]

ShadowGun45 is talking about Laxus reaching Erza before his lightning hit the ground similar to Meliodas blitzing lightning when he fought DK Zeldris.

 

[ShadowGun45]

ShadowGun45 is talking about Laxus reaching Erza before his lightning hit the ground similar to Meliodas blitzing lightning when he fought DK Zeldris.

yes, and Erza also dodged the lightning when he was almost on her leg

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

@CNBA3

You're still not listening

Laxus was pretty casual when fighting Base Wall, and none of Laxus's Lightning was able to hurt Wall, in fact it makes Wall stronger, not to mention Laxus was literally getting eaten up on the inside by poison, so they were about equal when Laxus had so many handicaps, and still earlier in the arc he was going to One-shot/Kill Ajeel casually and this impressed Natsu who can also One-shot Spriggans

If anything it means Wall>Average Spriggan level

 

[Yoyco]

Erza isn't using Natsu or Gray's magic power directly....she's using their abilities/elements.

Anyways chapter was cool. Erza is still holding back huh....damn & pwople thought Laxus would one shot lol.Hyped for next chapter, either a draw or jellal interferes, either is fine imo.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Question: Is it possible to scale this Erza and Laxus to PoF Erza, so they would both scale to Deus Sema?

 

[CNBA3]

Not he was not, he hurt his friends, he is anything but casual, that does not mean his physical attacks cannot which is still the case for any hand to hand combat, and Laxus was easily able to smash anything in a few hits, but Wall was still standing no matter what he did. The poison is irrelevant until it actual affects him, Wall stated that he was still in top tier condition, and Laxus stated that it happens every now and then, meaning it does not affect his fighting power, they were not equal at all, again, no statements about Ajeel actually dying, Nstsu cannot one shot Spriggans unless he has handicaps as well, so Base Laxus is not stronger than base Spriggans.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

@CNBA3

Alright, if you're just gonna ignore literal manga statements, I'm done arguing with you

 

[ShadowGun45]

Question: Is it possible to scale this Erza and Laxus to PoF Erza, so they would both scale to Deus Sema?

I don't think Laxus is on par with Irene

 

[CNBA3]

@Mitich, If you intend to twist meaning of statements, then go ahead and do so, they have little affect

@Shadow, Irene is far stronger than Laxus ever will be

 

[ShadowGun45]

Jura Calc (1.1% SoL)


Gajeel's deeds that need to be calculated are in chapters 105, 123, and 126

In the saga we are accepting as Canon, has a possible speed boost for Bickslow

In the last chapter Erza and Laxus have a feat that seems to be at least Sub Relativistic


just this to try to increase the speed ?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

It seems Laxus was even stronger than we thought in the Alvarez Arc, let's simplify it with math

lets look at it like this

Average Spriggan level = 10

One-shotting a Spriggan level = 20

As we can see in the manga having resistance to your opponents attacks brings One-shot level to Average Spriggan level

Wall Eehto = 10

Base Laxus = 20

Base Laxus against a character with Lightning resistance = 10

Red Lightning Laxus against a character with Lightning resistance = 20

Red Lightning Laxus = 40

Looking at it, Red Lightning Laxus in the Alvarez Arc is likely far beyond FDKM Natsu and Jellal, which is pretty awesome

 

[1997KD]

Erza's magic was thrown away, she only wears the rags and forgot about the other 100 armor she has

there's no sense she has magic to summon armor if she only needs swords

Focusing on defense is just useless since laxus can easily broke those armors,using just red pants and some strip on her chest, give erza maxmimum offence ability since she can just boost her physical power using magic

 

[1997KD]

Erza wears an anti-lightning armor and takes much more damage than using the rags that throw away the Resistance.

in this chapter there was a speed feat from Erza and Laxus

Laxus destroy that armour using a physical punch

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Sleep is for the weak

Erza dodges Laxus's Red Lightning

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I'm quite confident Laxus and Erza will have a draw, it'll be a Luffy vs Katakuri moment where Erza falls first and is on the ground and then Laxus then is left standing and then falls on his back, It'd be awesome

At this moment it looks like Erza with swords boosted by Natsu and Gray's magic is about even with Laxus, although Laxus hasn't seemed deterred all that much by her attacks, even if he is bleeding, he seems to be taking the attacks with a stride

Honestly can Mira get some action here, why does Erza always get the cool fights

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

Honestly can Mira get some action here, why does Erza always get the cool fights

Because she is Erza

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

100 Year Quest Scaling Chain

Base Lucy<=Base Wendy<Nebal<Base Gray<Star Dress Mix Lucy<Elfman<Wraith<Makarov<Dragon Force Wendy<Kiria<=Madmole=Base Gajeel=Base Erza<=Base Natsu<=Ice Devil Gray<Satan Soul Mira<=Iron Shadow Gajeel<Lightning Fire Natsu<=Dragon Sword Erza<=Skullion<Jellal=Base Laxus<Erza with Fire and Ice Swords<=Fire Dragon King Natsu<Red Lightning Laxus<<<<<<<<<<Dragon Force Natsu<<<Dragon Gods

 

[Beast_Zero_Gudako]

What makes Red Lightning above FDKM?

 

[ShadowGun45]

Sleep is for the weak

Erza dodges Laxus's Red Lightning

on the other page Laxus reaches Erza the moment the lightning strikes the ground

 

[CNBA3]

What makes Red Lightning above FDKM?

That depends on how damaged he is as it's strength is dependent on Laxus' condition

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Where are you even getting this "more damage = more power" from?

 

[Yoyco]

In the chapter, Laxus says the blood is the strenght of the red lightning or something like that. Take it as you want tbh

Anyways I don't see anything so far that suggest that RL Laxus is that far above Jellal & above FDKM Natsu.

 

[Zackra1799]

Since Erza is using specifically Natsu and Grays abilities, would this mean she gets power null(Natsu) and soul manip(Gray)?

 

[The_Calaca]

No. She needs to prove she can do that.

 

[HenryWong122]

In the chapter, Laxus says the blood is the strenght of the red lightning or something like that. Take it as you want tbh
Anyways I don't see anything so far that suggest that RL Laxus is that far above Jellal & above FDKM Natsu.

So you're saying it's Crimson Lightning?

 

[1997KD]

Since Erza is using specifically Natsu and Grays abilities, would this mean she gets power null(Natsu) and soul manip(Gray)?

She is only using there elemental power(for now)

 

[CNBA3]

In the chapter where red lightning is stated that the more damaged he is the stronger his lightning is, so not only can it bypass Lightning resistance, it has empowerment capabilities.

so this only shows that Erza does not scale to Alvarez Laxus' red lightning as he was massively injure then already and he was not recently.

 

[Yoyco]

@cnba3 I don't find, where it says more damage equals more power. Just that blood is the strenght of red lightning ( which is basically more blood = more power ).

@henrywong122 Yea ig

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

It was never stated Red Lightning get's stronger the more Laxus takes Damage, that's a headcanon and assumption you've made, all the manga said was that his blood was the source of power of his power, also it doesn't bypass Lightning resistance, it's just so strong that can one-shot someone who has lightning resistance, basically like how Seven Flames Natsu can One-shot Acnologia with Magic despite Acnologia being immune to Magic

Also Erza has plenty of feats hurting and keeping up with speiggans and scales to plenty characters who can hurt and fight speiggans as well, dude nobody has agreed with you so far, that Laxus and Erza aren't Spriggan level

 

[Siegfried10]

The Lightning Empress Armor was able to take an attack from Laxus all the way back in Chapter 121/Episode 46.

Yes, but Laxus wasn't using Dragon Slayer magic (he had yet to get serious).

But the comparable Flame Empress Armor could take hits from Natsu's Fire Dragon Slayer magic.

Yes, but back then Natsu was far too weak when compared to Erza. She didnt even need that armor to beat Natsu.

She's not that much stronger then base Natsu.

Are we talking about the fight during the pre time skip period? Pretty much at the beginning of the manga, and back then Erza was way stronger than Natsu.

 

[CNBA3]

It is stated, it goes beyond regular lightning that it bypasses his resistance, and it does state that being damaged is what gives his lightning strength, that is what that statement means, no need to overthink it. It was only so strong because he was already badly injured and that gave his lightning the immense strength. Yet Erza cannot defeat a spriggan alone despite those feats. I said base Erza and Laxus are not stronger than base Spriggan level, there is no proof to the contrary.

@cnba3
I don't find, where it says more damage equals more power. Just that blood is the strenght of red lightning ( which is basically more blood = more power ).

@henrywong122 Yea ig

that is basically the same thing here, the more damaged he is the stronger his red lightning is

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Laxus mentioning blood could be him referring to Yuri who he made Red Lightning in honor of.