Fairy Tail Hundred Year Quest Discussion Thread 10

[CNBA3]

That is not the case here especially when being attack physically, which both have suffered yet one is still unscathed, that means Wall (even other Spriggans) are more than enough to fight base Laxus.

 

[Irekoz]

Wall had lightning resistence and Luxus was sick because of demon particules.

When Wall cured him and Luxus bypass his lightining resistence he oneshot him

 

[CNBA3]

Wall had lightning resistence and Luxus was sick because of demon particules.
When Wall cured him and Luxus bypass his lightining resistence he oneshot him

his sickness only affects him when it actually happens, he stated it happens from time to time. he only did so with a lightning stronger than any other lightning. Still does not change that he cannot one shot Spriggan level characters in base form

 

[AnonymousBlank]

I really dont get what you are trying to argue. It seems like you are saying thay Wall is Spriggan tier and using him taking hits from Laxus to say Laxus is only Spriggan tier and thus everyone else scales below despite the fact that there are far more feats from weaker characters beating or simply fighting Spriggans without getting stomped. There are 2 options here.

1. Wall is your average Spriggan and him taking hits from Laxus is an outlier or

2. Wall isn't your average Spriggan and scales far above all of them except for Irene and the Dragneels.

Either way, this means your comparison between Erza and Wall to say Team Natsu aren't Spriggan tier is faulty and does not matter in the slightest. Laxus has feats and statements of one shotting Spriggans.

Raiko/healthy Laxus >>> Assault Wall > amped Wall = sick Laxus >>> Spriggans. Put Laxus in a fight against the other 8 Spriggans amd he would body them at the same time if not for their hax.

 

[CNBA3]

how is option 1 considered outlier when they scale to each other (besides Irene, August and Larcade) where Brandish has enough magic power that can destroy nations. Laxus was not sick when fighting base Wall, it only happens at random, Wall stated that he operates at top tier level in the FT Guild. LAxus punches his enemies, and also punching someone packs considerable force behind them, because of that, base Laxus is not above base level Spriggans if he can casually break Erza's armor with a punch.

 

[HenryWong122]

how is option 1 considered outlier when they scale to each other (besides Irene, August and Larcade) where Brandish has enough magic power that can destroy nations. Laxus was not sick when fighting base Wall, it only happens at random, Wall stated that he operates at top tier level in the FT Guild. LAxus punches his enemies, and also punching someone packs considerable force behind them, because of that, base Laxus is not above base level Spriggans if he can casually break Erza's armor with a punch.

He spent the entire fight up untill Wall cured him sick.

 

[CNBA3]

@Henry, he was not sick when he was fighting with base Wall, it only afflicts him when it is obvious

 

[HenryWong122]

@Henry, he was not sick when he was fighting with base Wall, it only afflicts him when it is obvious

He was always sick the entire time. It just wasn't debilitating all the time.

 

[Siegfried10]

No cap, Erza vs Laxus is looking to be the best fight in the Aldoron part. Slightly annoyed that Erza is getting up from Laxus beating her into the dirt with Raiko so many times despite him one shotting her LEA with base lightning ..... she must be high on PoF rn.

She is Erza, she has the strongest plot armor of FT. I will be pissed if she beats Laxus, but im seeing it coming.

 

[CNBA3]

@Henry, he was not sick when he was fighting with base Wall, it only afflicts him when it is obvious

He was always sick the entire time. It just wasn't debilitating all the time.

Laxus stated that it only affects him or hurts him from time to time, even then he still operates at top tier conditions.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

And this is why I said not this shit again.

Because he was going to one shot Ajeel (who is your average Spriggan) but didn't one shot Wall. If Wall is normal Spriggan level (association fallacy) then he would be oneshot as well. Brandish is not country level (naming fallacy), bunch of random stuff that are irrelevant (shotgunning), "base Laxus is not ...." (attempted but failed strawman). Bring the next fallacy please.

 

[Siegfried10]

Laxus was above the average Spriggan on Alvarez arc. Wahl only lasted that long cause of his lightning resistance.

 

[CNBA3]

@Sieg, That is not the case as Laxus can break through Lightning Resistance even with a punch, he did not with Wall, so thus Base Laxus is not stronger than standard Spriggan


@Blank, we do not know if that would be the case, that is based on assumptions, the attack did not hit and he was obviously not traumatized by the experience, Wall was still not one shotted despite this. it is not naming Fallacy, it is stated that she has enough power to destroy nations.

 

[The_Calaca]

Through hax and with no specific timeframe.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Based on assumptions? Nani? Its based off of August saying he would die from it. August >>>>>> your argumemts.

So either an outlier or Wall simply scales far above the normal Spriggans. Take your pick because you are wrong either way.

Did you know the Vatican City is a nation? Did you know destroying a nation =/= destroying all of its land in one go? Yes it very much is a naming fallacy. Only way you are disproving this is by providing a fwat for the supposed country destruction. Hell there is even a similar situation where Bosco was "destroyed", sure as hell wasn't nuked to kingdom come like you seem to think the statement means.

 

[Siegfried10]

This just means Erza's armor is crap when compared to Whal, which makes sense, aside from the Blaziken pants and the Nakagami all of Erza's armor are pretty much useless.

Both are lightning resistance, but nothing says they are at the same level.

 

[CNBA3]

That means nothing when it comes to physical power that is obviously applied which would be the same situation for WLl and yet did not get destroyed in base. Nakagami is the strongest armor that she has, that would rival that of the pants armor.

@Blank, August was more or less concerned, he confirmed nothing, there is no outlier, you have no proof of this. did you know that there is no Vatican City in FT? It is by how big other nations are in the world of FT. Which means they scale to it. Especially with how Wall's Fire blasts are nuclear fusion based

 

[Siegfried10]

Again, having lightning resistance doesnt mean they resist the same level of lightning. In game terms, having a 70% lightning resistance is not the same as having a 30% one. Erza's armors outside of the Nakagami are pretty much trash (she pretty much always ends up using the blaziken pants lol) while Wahl has focused to make his body almost immune to lightning. Wahl has good feats, while the Thunder Emperor Armor (or however its called) doesnt. This just means, Wahls lighning resistance >>> Erza's armor. As simple as that, your argument is just ridiculous.

 

[CNBA3]

It is not about lightning, it is physical force which applied to both situations, the fact he was not hurt by punches or kicks while Erza was makes it clear that he does not win instantly in base form

 

[DragonEmperor23]

blaziken pants lmao

 

[Siegfried10]

It is not about lightning, it is physical force which applied to both situations, the fact he was not hurt by punches or kicks while Erza was makes it clear that he does not win instantly in base form

Just physical force? No, Laxus physical punches are enhanced with lightning. Said lightning was completely useless against Wahl, and his physical strenght alone was not enough to damage Wahl. In Erza's case, her armor couldnt resist Laxus's lightning, so she was damaged with physical force enhanced with lightning.

You are making useless comparisons again jesus.

 

[HenryWong122]

The Lightning Empress Armor was able to take an attack from Laxus all the way back in Chapter 121/Episode 46.

 

[Siegfried10]

The Lightning Empress Armor was able to take an attack from Laxus all the way back in Chapter 121/Episode 46.

Yes, but Laxus wasnt using Dragon Slayer magic (he had yet to get serious).

 

[CNBA3]

Physical power is enhanced by magic power, that is how we get superhuman feats. Disregarding this, his physical power is more than enough to hurt Erza who was easily overwhelmed by base Spriggans, there is your consistency right there, he cannot beat Spriggans without getting g serious

Yes, but Laxus wasnt using Dragon Slayer magic (he had yet to get serious).

He was using dragon slayer magic without the transformation, it is not required. It's the same lightning that casually one shots Natsu everytime back then, yet Laxus struggled to put Natsu down with LDS? Where is the logic in that?

 

[Siegfried10]

Laxus has regular lightning magic and lightning dragon slayer magic. He never used dragon slayer magic in the manga until his fight with Natsu and Gajeel, he was hiding the fact that he was a dragon slayer, he himsef said it. So no, he wasnt using dragon slayer magic against Erza back then.

First thing, it has been one year since Alvarez, and the FT gang has gotten stronger. Erza is stronger than she was when she fought Ajeel or Irene, Laxus is stronger too. The rest is a pointless discussion, Laxus was going to one shot Ajeel with a casual attack (August words have bigger value than your headcanon), and he pretty much one shotted Wahl with the only attack that actually damaged him. Laxus is above Natsu or Gray, who also defeated Spriggans.

I guess arguing with you is pointless, sigh...

 

[HenryWong122]

The Lightning Empress Armor was able to take an attack from Laxus all the way back in Chapter 121/Episode 46.

Yes, but Laxus wasn't using Dragon Slayer magic (he had yet to get serious).

But the comparable Flame Empress Armor could take hits from Natsu's Fire Dragon Slayer magic.

 

[CNBA3]

You are forgetting that Laxus one shots Natsu casually with regular lightning BOS, and yet struggles with LDSM with Natsu. He did use LDSM before revealing he was a DS, stated in Volume 7 that Raging Bolt is LDSM, so no, the form change does not mean anything other than a power up. It does not matter, there is no proof that he was going to one shot Ajeel as there is no statement for that, he said it "would" have been said, not in any form is he making a concrete statement. Being stronger now does not make Laxus any stronger back the. As he still was not stronger than base Spriggan level without being serious

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

August literally says, yo Ajeel, if I didn't put up that barrier, you would have died from Laxus's casual attack, and Wall only did so well because he is nigh immune to lightning and Laxus was sick in that fight

What is so hard about this, Laxus>>>Average Spriggan level

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Erza vs Laxus is turning out to be awesome and it makes sense scalingwise, Erza's strongest offensive armor being the blaziken pants that could destroy Deus Sema and can compete with Irene and One-shot Ajeel is comparable to Laxus when given Natsu, Gray, and Wendy's magic, that all is consistent and it's great to see such a badass fight

Kinda a shame that we likely won't get Laxus vs Jellal, but this is a fine substitute, I don't exactly want Erza to win here, since I love Laxus and I think he should still be stronger, but I can accept a draw where they both fall on the ground defeated, in that scenario the lacrima isn't destroyed and is a win for Team Fairy Tail

Point being, another great chapter, side-note Natsu is probably not getting an good opponent right now because he is being saved for the strongest baddies like either Touka, Raizen, or Aldoron

He'll get a big fight when a strong enough challenge appears

 

[CNBA3]

No he literally did not say that, he said it would have been sad if Ajeel was gone, so no, it is not a confirmation of a one shot. Fire Pants did not one shot Ajeel, I do not know where that came from. Also it is confirmed that Red Lightning is only strong when he gets injured, so no, Erza did not tank the same damage that Wall took

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I mean't that fire pants are Erza's strongest offensive armor which is stronger than the Nakagami armor which One-Shot Ajeel

And Ajeel asked August if that barrier was his and August said that he would grieve the loss of a comrade and then Ajeel literally says, you thought that last attack would have killed me?

August is a genius and Ajeel is cocky as hell, August confirms yeah, Ajeel would have died from Laxus's attack

 

[1997KD]

That's so much text OvO

 

[CNBA3]

It one shots because it bends the rules of magic, so basically bypasses his stats, even then she had to have help. But then it goes to show how Laxus could not take down base Wall nor even leave a scratch in peak condition when he could clearly wound Erza with either armors.

 

[Siegfried10]

The Lightning Empress Armor was able to take an attack from Laxus all the way back in Chapter 121/Episode 46.

Yes, but Laxus wasn't using Dragon Slayer magic (he had yet to get serious).

But the comparable Flame Empress Armor could take hits from Natsu's Fire Dragon Slayer magic.

Yes, but back then Natsu was far too weak when compared to Erza. She didnt even need that armor to beat Natsu.

 

[HenryWong122]

The Lightning Empress Armor was able to take an attack from Laxus all the way back in Chapter 121/Episode 46.

Yes, but Laxus wasn't using Dragon Slayer magic (he had yet to get serious).

But the comparable Flame Empress Armor could take hits from Natsu's Fire Dragon Slayer magic.

Yes, but back then Natsu was far too weak when compared to Erza. She didnt even need that armor to beat Natsu.

She's not that much stronger then base Natsu.

 

[CNBA3]

She even admitted that Natsu would be around her level back then

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Translations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPXn61lLXMY

Ok, so Erza is only competing with Laxus cause she's got Natsu and Grays Magic Power, so I guess that's ok, scaling wise, on her own, Erza is still weaker than Laxus that means, she needs to rely on Natsu and Grays Power to compete with him

At the same time, I hope this ends in a draw, I don't want Laxus to be weaker than Erza, please? Maybe Someone shows up and helps Erza, like Jellal

 

[CNBA3]

I guess this just shows that Laxus was not as strong as he was back in Alvarez Unless he is all beat up for the Red lightning to make him more powerful

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Dude, literally no one agrees with you, Laxus couldn't hurt Wall because he's nigh immune to lightning and Laxus was also sick, when he used Red Lightning he had a lightning that was so strong that it one-shot a character with Lightning resistance

If Wall wasn't nigh immune to lightning and Laxus wasn't sick, he could've easily won that fight, plus Wall is one of the strongest average spriggans anyways

 

[ShadowGun45]

Erza wears an anti-lightning armor and takes much more damage than using the rags that throw away the Resistance.

in this chapter there was a speed feat from Erza and Laxus