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Escanor vs All Might. (All Might vs All Bright!)

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Actually escanors heat is capable of melting someone even with their darkness armor. So this basically puts all might to where he melts by just looking at escanor
 
All Might has a solid strength advantage

But he's weaker in pretty much every other category
 
>Escanor

>Not quite Combat Smart

Yeah no, Escanor is insanely smart, and has fought far more notable opponents on his Level then All Might ever will
 
Should take hours.

Hmm, then All Might should get crushed. Voting Escanor until someone argues otherwise.
 
I recall Merlin described Escanor's Power level increasing by 10 every second?

If that held true, then it woudn't take hours for him to surpass 2.32 gigatons.
 
How strong is he at the time he reaches the level we're scaling him to, then? In terms of power level. You can calc it from the order of magnitude.

If he has just 1000 in power level, it would, sure, take just less than two minutes. But if he has already like 10 000 it would take tens of minutes, and if he has like 20 000 it would take a decent fraction of an hour.
 
Mand21 said:
How strong is he at the time he reaches the level we're scaling him to, then? In terms of power level. You can calc it from the order of magnitude.
If he has just 1000 in power level, it would, sure, take just less than two minutes. But if he has already like 10 000 it would take tens of minutes, and if he has like 20 000 it would take a decent fraction of an hour.
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Doh...

Merlin's statement is contradictory then.
 
Gargoyle One said:
That's High 7A+?

Thought it was like 2.55 or something
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Isn't 6-C baseline at 4.3? So it takes 2.15 to get a plus. Or if you have to get the arithmetic average, then...

oh, you're right. 2.65 is necessary. This should get edited out, sorry. I thought it had been missed and added.
 
There's a difference between being combat experienced and being combat savy.

I believe Escanor is fairly creative and resourceful in combat, yes, but I believe All Might is that and has more experience in combat. To be fair though, I don't know how much combat experience Dawn Escanor has, but just from reading I don't see anything to suggest otherwise.

How would he deal with Escanor's heat manipulation? Easy, with his pseudo-air manipulation. There's nothing suggesting All Might can't casually project enough air to cushon and reject the flames off to the side, continuing this until he reaches Escanor and knocks the living shit out of him.

That's also suggesting All Might tries to brute force his way through, which he might, but I also think it's possible he'll use something like a 14 wheeler as a shield as he attempts to close the gap between him and Escanor... with the decent strength advantage, All Might and his suit can probably tank blows from his axe.

Besides, All Might has taken point blank explosions from Bakugo with no damage, only uttering "owowowow" suggesting he suffered only mild irritation. I'm sure his nitroglycerin can generate comparable heat to what Escanor can.
 
All Might's pseudo air manip has 5.3 km of reach, so yeah. He can even suck in air, which means he can create vacuum in a large enough area to cause choked flow of air towards him.
 
First off, Bakugo, an 8C character, should not be used in any capacity and be compared to Escanor. AM was going owowowow because he is 7B to Bakugo's 8C.

Second, AM Has to use his Air Manipulation while Escanor's heat is passively High 7A, unless he can keep generating Air Manipulation passively he is getting burned


Thirdly, not to downplay AM, I swear, but he's only had three notable fights, AFO twice, and the Noumu, and had training by the Sexy OFA user Shimura


Escanor


Well


Check his feat list
 
I was more using Bakugo as an example of heat, not destruction. You are correct in the sense that Escanor can generate enough flames to cause more destruction than Bakugo can, but you are incorrect in assuming this means Escanor's flames must be hotter than Bakugo's. Temperature =/= Destructive Capacity. You were specifically mentioning how Escanor casually melts All Might, which is incorrect, he might be able body All Might with his flames, but he cannot melt him nor damage him whatsoever, considering that All Might had tanked point-blank nitroglycerin explosions, which again should be comparable in temperature to Escanor's flames.

Yes, his heat manipulation is passive, but like I said it shouldn't be enough to stop All Might. Even if it was, All Might just continues to casually throw jabs, creating enough of a cushion from the heat.

That's his notable fights, but he's had years upon years of experience fighting criminals with a variety of quirks, that's why I believe he has more combat experience.
 
The difference is Escanor has regularly fought people on his level. Where All Might has exactly two on-screen fights, with One Off-Screen against people on his level. With one being a mindless monster. And the other being equally vauge in terms of fighting experience.

Escanor simpily has far more feats that we know about, against more impressive people.

Escanor's heat>>>>>>Bakugou's heat. Why is this even a debate? Escanor's heat melted a city, and was potent enough to get through some guy's darkness shield.

Also, Explosions only generate heat for a short period of time, in some cases almost instantaneous.
 
Escanor can't melt All Might, if I gave off that impression, ignore it.

Yes, but if he's ever at a point where he isn't throwing punches in a standoff or when they're both locking fists like in the AFO fight then that's when it gets to him

Stomping fodder isn't a feat, otherwise Escanor would have the advantage as he's been fighting people before AM even got his quirk
 
Um, All Might doesn't need to have passive defense, he just needs to keep punching forward and clearing great amounts of fire (all of it in a 5.3km radius) so all he needs is, like, one punch per second? One punch every few seconds? Something like that.
 
Problem is a lot of Escanor's fights aren't won with him outsmarting his opponent, more so than he just gets stronger as the day continues. If you want to say both are equal in terms of experience that's fine by me, you can even say Escanor has the edge, I still don't think it lets him win this one.

Sure, but it's all about application. Nobody has told me something Escanor would in-character do that would let him shit on All Might, just that his heat manipulation would stomp, which is un-true and I'll explain why again. Combat technique, they'd both be about equal but All Might is decently stronger in this, so it won't really be as useful for Escanor. A single punch from All Might would likely break his guard and decently damage him.

Let's properly quantify Escanor's heat. You said his heat has melted a city, which is true but misleading. His heat was hot enough to melt industrial materials, he just had enough fire to apply this heat across the city.

The amount of heat required to reduce steel fibre re-inforced concrete (which is a large majority of what a city is made out of) to dust varies, but is generally around 1200 Ôäâ according to sources . Concrete itself can't really melt since it's a composite material, but at those temperatures it no longer holds its form. Other materials such as iron and glass also melt at 1,538 Ôäâ, so we can use this as a baseline for how hot Escanor's flames can get. (unless you have a more impressive feat?)

Now let's see how hot Bakugo's explosions can get. It's been stated over and over that he uses nitroglycerin to create his explosions.According to wikipedia , Nitroglycerin can raise gases up to temperatures of over 5,000 ┬░C. We can use this as a baseline for how hot Bakugo's explosions can get from source, and considering All Might has literally face-tanked it without so much as irritation, it's safe to say he can withstand this much heat.

Bakugo's explosions produce MUCH more heat (~5,000 ┬░C) than Escanor has demonstrated (1,538 Ôäâ), and as such it would not bother All Might in the slightest.
 
It's not in character for him to only punch, that's what you mean. However, if he's being camped out, there exists no such thing as trying a grapple maneuver. He will defensively punch as much as the situation calls for.
 
That's a whole lot of Argumentium ad Verbosium

Did you forget that All Might only took bursts of the heat for under a second? An Explosion doesn't convect heat nearly as well as you think. Explosions primarily transfer energy via shockwaves through the air, and less from heat. Continiuous heat from Escanor's aura would absolutely wear All Might down.

Bakugou is also 8-C, so I don't know why this is even a discussion.

All Might has exactly ONE feat against a foe on his level. And that is someone equally as obscure in terms of experience feats as himself. Escanor has far more feats fighting against people on his level. He was stronger than Estarossa, but he didn't fodderize him. AM foddered everyone except AFO and Nomu.

Escanor has far better experience feats. That much is non-debateable.
 
??????

That's not bursts of heat, Bakugou literally held up his nitroglycerin soaked hand to All Might's face and literally detonated over and over. I'm aware explosions don't transfer heat effectively, but that's him face-tanking the source, the hottest point of an explosion, let alone a nitroglycerin explosion.

We don't measure heat and fire's destructive capacity on how hot they are, but how much damage they can cause. Bakugou's explosions are limited in range, and as such he only has 8-C tier feats, even if his explosions are much hotter. Escanor can use flames and heat across a greater distance and range, so he has higher feats with it.

Tier has nothing to do with temperature. Escanor being higher tier than Bakugou doesn't mean his flames are hotter.

Fine, Escanor is far more experienced. What else? If that's all, then his experience doesn't really let him win this fight, All Might is much stronger.
 
For example, SCP-457 has low 7-C flames. Does this mean his fire is hotter than usual? Absolutely not, just that he has more of it. This is literally stated over and over on his profile.
 
All Might is only 2.32 Gigatons when going all out. The AP difference is not nearly as big as you think.

Yes that is a series of bursts. We see it is very clearly. If All Might is continuously taking 2,000 C+ of temperature to his whole body, he's going to start feeling it very soon.

Also, AM has never fought someone on his level who has a weapon. Especially not a sharp one with special abilities like Rhittia.
 
@ProfessorLord

You called him misleading, but you're the one being misleading here. Escanor didn't spread his fire over a city, in fact he didn't make fire at all. He flared his heat aura from a central point to vaporize the enemy right in front of him; Edinburgh melted as a side effect of that central point of heat. Furthermore, you're ignoring the fact that the guy Escanor vaporized is unaffected by natural fire, until he met Escanor only the Demon Clan's hellfire could burn him. Bakugou is also a far lower tier than Escanor, so I don't know why you're arguing from that point in the first place.

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I vote Escanor.

All Might technically has the AP advantage but it needs to be stressed that Escanor's High 7-A is via him just flaring his aura. In reality I would be extremely surprised if there's much of an AP gap at all. In addition, Escanor doesn't just emit fire, he emits heat and light. All Might could keep punching to make a vacuum around himself in a huge radius, sure, but all that means is he'll eventually tire himself out while Escanor continues to grow more powerful. Assuming All Might doesn't take that strategy and moves in close, the heat will make it hard for him to breathe like it did Izraf.

The main points against All Might here are that Escanor's heat will constantly wear All Might down and that Escanor's axe slashes leave heat in his victims' wounds, continually burning them more. Combined with the facts that All Might won't be able to see when Escanor flares his aura, and that Escanor has objectively more experience feats of fighting people on his own level, I see Escanor quickly wearing All Might down in a majority of fights.
 
The AP difference is large enough that it is more important than vague combat experience. You haven't told me how Escanor would in-character use something to his advantage, use a strategy, nothing, just that he is more experienced, providing no examples on how his experience would be useful in this fight.

I don't know how it being a series of bursts discredit Bakugo's explosion temperatures. It was consistent enough that it was synonymous with one long-lasting beam of explosion, All Might still face-tanking the very source aka the hottest part... and this is around 5000 c. The feat of him melting a city is only ~1500 c, seeing as how that's around the temperature glass and iron melt at. If he can tank 5000 c for a few seconds and suffer only mild irritation, than 1500 c isn't going to bother him.
 
VersusJunkie54 said:
Furthermore, AM doesn't even have Heat-Resistance on his profile. So CRT or he doesn't have it, period.
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that's not how it works. i showed you a feat and quantified it for you. no need for crt, evidence is right there.
 
I can place my hand on a 160C object for a short time. I'll be going "owowowowowow" Just like All Might did, but I'll survive it for that short period. But if the Air Tempature around me is 80+ C? Yeah that's going to be an issue.

Also, CRT for AM resistances or he doesn't have it. That is just a wiki policy, deal with it.
 
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