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Could this apply to any other characters like Piccolo?
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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I know, just that no one figured this out for 1000 years, and also kept up with it even while Hit was improving.
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Probably to get them to Genius in combat, EG seems to be only for Goku and (Debatably) Vegeta since they scale similarly if not equally in skill. Vegeta's methods of training and his feats are not as good as Goku's, so I'd rather give him something like Likely Extraordinary Genius rather than Goku who gets a definitely
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I'd still say he can get there considering his feats aren't that far behind. If Zoro and Mihawk could get there, Goku should not be too far away, since he's more skilled than them imo. I'd also recommend reading my draft because it has more feats and information.
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I went to bed and two pages, what happened 
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BTW, CC Goku would upscale from this since he scales above DBS Anime canon Goku (by a pretty big margin), so I'm gonna work on that too.
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We're skill gooning about Goku getting Extraordinary Genius in combatI went to bed and two pages, what happened
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Namek discussion got me curious. So, how would you calculate a size for it?
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Nobody actually scales to Namek exploding tho, thread we just had aside, the namek bust was chain reaction tbf, Frieza did vape the core directly and tank the exploding but we dont know how big the core is and ISL go brrr which makes getting a value kinda tough.
Busting it flat-out wouldn't be 4-B anyway, it'd just be 4-C max. 4-C is a huge gap, even if Namek eclipsed suns, it'd still be kinda meh for a star overall and wouldn't reach even High 4-C.
If ya just mean the explosion itself, in manga it'd be 4-C if we use big namek, and toei, well yeah that shit is 4-B, actually, It'd be 4-A, Toei has a shot of Namek exploding and it takes out a chunk of the ******* galaxy iirc, Toei's explosion is dumb as shit either way with, or without.
Tbh I was thinking more range, Frieza has that whip attack that cut up the planet.
Ya draw two lines, compare. Literally it.
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The only thing that would get me is if the suns are orbiting namek or if namek is orbiting the suns. Also, having to pixel scale it since I don’t know how to do that.
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Dragon Ball planet size calcs
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Dang so High 4-C sized planet if the stars are the size of the sun.Dragon Ball planet size calcs
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Wouldn't destroying the core still require overcoming the GBE? Pretty sure that's why Toei Frieza's 4-A
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Also, IIRC, Frieza was stated to be easily able to destroy namek with a single ki blast
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No because fiction is dumb, it's actually worse in Toei because it took 7m, not 5.
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I’m aware. I think it’d still be nice to have a calc for it.
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He can blow up the planet
(Btw should I delete the first bunch of scans its kinda illegal to post copyrighted stuff.)
(Btw should I delete the first bunch of scans its kinda illegal to post copyrighted stuff.)
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What you on about I've seen tons of people do that?
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Hmm? Copyrighted laws, I mean?
Manga piracy laws are kinda serious.
Obv I'm ignorant on this topic.
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IMO Frieza should scale to it a little for not only being able to tank it while being nearly dead but being able to produce an attack that was even stronger than what it took to destroy namek. also I dont think it was a chain reaction and I dont think VS wiki ever accepted that line of reasoning as busting the core of a planet doesnt make it explode outwards like a bomb as planets in DBZ do since that outward explosion is Frieza's own energy tearing the planet apart beyond its GBE (plus Frieza stated that he held back too much implying he could've busted it in a second if he wasnt).
Idk it could be 4-B depending on how big we think it is although i used Kai's explosion as a reference point
I dont remember that but I doubt it significantly affects his combat speed
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Huh. Here's the Solar System is a Galactic Nebula Raws. I found it in the Reddit Namek Calc comment section, (they linked to their Dragon Ball Solar System calc covering the Daizenshuu Solar System entry). According to them it is not a Mistranslation, due to the word choice of "に (Ni)." I dunno if they're right or not. I just thought it was interesting to bring up since I dunno if that TL Check was ever actually handled.
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Frankly I think we'd need even more evidence that the Dragon Ball solar system is not supposed to mirror our own. They even go visit Jupiter just prior to the Namek Saga.
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I dont know. i dont think the inclusion of a real life planet necessarily works as evidence against that claim. With that logic one might even claim that just the existence of planet earth in the solar system (as well as the sun) disproves it already
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I'd say those are moreso the starting point for claiming similarity; with the Jupiter appearance acting as supporting to that claim.
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I mean if you think Toei is going to come after you then yeah delete it, but otherwise I'm pretty sure it's fair game
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They do have the same appearance but I don't see how that's not taking a reference from real world. Rather than that being indicative of solar system being same in both cosmo.
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Not how it works, ISL, him tanking it is like, High 6-A.
Proof?
It was a chain reaction, every other planet bust might not be, but Namek itself is, unfortunately, the sole confirmed instance of one, Frieza himself even explains the planet will explode, not because of him, but because the core was vaporized. Makes no sense but it is what it is. He did hold back yeah, but we don't know how much quicker it'd happen if he didn't.
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I'm not that insignificant
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anyway I'm much more interested in the namek calc for now since it should put 50% Frieza very close to if not directly 4-B
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I mean yeah, that whole thing regarding the DB world being largely based on our world was firmly established - particularly in the recent attempt to upgrade DB's Earth's size.
Speaking of that thread, I really did not appreciate the attempts to (especially in other conversations) dismiss it as just an attempt at upgrades for the sake of it. I say this because I was the one that made the calc, and I thought it made sense with the statements we had.
Speaking of that thread, I really did not appreciate the attempts to (especially in other conversations) dismiss it as just an attempt at upgrades for the sake of it. I say this because I was the one that made the calc, and I thought it made sense with the statements we had.
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yeah but that's with the current calc I'm pretty sure
he stated that he held back, he also produced a stronger attack as Mecha Frieza on earth and he even stated in the panel posted before that he could destroy this entire planet if he wanted to while suppressed
but we literally don't accept it and nor does it even imply a chain reaction. A planet exploding like a supernova doesn't happen unless something actually tears it apart like that and that "something" here is Frieza's own energy. at minimum he could bust it in 2.5 minutes since suppressed 50% Frieza did it in 5, with SSJ Goku probably being able to do it even quicker
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Also I don't think calculating Namek's size will work. If Earth's in-universe statements didn't help, Namek sure as hell ain't gonna work
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Which thread?
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An attempt to upgrade Earth's size was made using in-universe distances and such, and it was rejected. Namek doesn't even have that afaikWhat
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Well Namek actually has reasons to be big since it has 3 suns. The argument for earth was that there was no statements about earth that should make it above the irl version.
Either way I copy and pasted Crim’s Calc and gave him credit ofc.
Namek is a Big Planet
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