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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Could this apply to any other characters like Piccolo?
Probably to get them to Genius in combat, EG seems to be only for Goku and (Debatably) Vegeta since they scale similarly if not equally in skill. Vegeta's methods of training and his feats are not as good as Goku's, so I'd rather give him something like Likely Extraordinary Genius rather than Goku who gets a definitely
 
Well, If we compare to Re:ZERO top tiers in term of skill, Goku really don't go there in terms with his feats, but he probally not that far behind.

If he compare the two, Goku really don't stack up to EG, he is inferior.
I'd still say he can get there considering his feats aren't that far behind. If Zoro and Mihawk could get there, Goku should not be too far away, since he's more skilled than them imo. I'd also recommend reading my draft because it has more feats and information.
 
BTW, CC Goku would upscale from this since he scales above DBS Anime canon Goku (by a pretty big margin), so I'm gonna work on that too.
 
pretty much makes dodoria’s statement about namek’s size a load of crap.
funny thing is even the low end of that calc is above Cell’s solar system busting calc and would probably push manga DBZ into 4-A
Nobody actually scales to Namek exploding tho, thread we just had aside, the namek bust was chain reaction tbf, Frieza did vape the core directly and tank the exploding but we dont know how big the core is and ISL go brrr which makes getting a value kinda tough.
Busting it flat-out wouldn't be 4-B anyway, it'd just be 4-C max. 4-C is a huge gap, even if Namek eclipsed suns, it'd still be kinda meh for a star overall and wouldn't reach even High 4-C.

If ya just mean the explosion itself, in manga it'd be 4-C if we use big namek, and toei, well yeah that shit is 4-B, actually, It'd be 4-A, Toei has a shot of Namek exploding and it takes out a chunk of the ******* galaxy iirc, Toei's explosion is dumb as shit either way with, or without.
also if the size does get to around star sized then it might be worth doing some speed calcs too for the characters who traversed Namek
Tbh I was thinking more range, Frieza has that whip attack that cut up the planet.
Namek discussion got me curious. So, how would you calculate a size for it?
Ya draw two lines, compare. Literally it.
 
Nobody actually scales to Namek exploding tho, thread we just had aside, the namek bust was chain reaction tbf, Frieza did vape the core directly and tank the exploding but we dont know how big the core is and ISL go brrr which makes getting a value kinda tough.
Busting it flat-out wouldn't be 4-B anyway, it'd just be 4-C max. 4-C is a huge gap, even if Namek eclipsed suns, it'd still be kinda meh for a star overall and wouldn't reach even High 4-C.

If ya just mean the explosion itself, in manga it'd be 4-C if we use big namek, and toei, well yeah that shit is 4-B, actually, It'd be 4-A, Toei has a shot of Namek exploding and it takes out a chunk of the ******* galaxy iirc, Toei's explosion is dumb as shit either way with, or without.

Tbh I was thinking more range, Frieza has that whip attack that cut up the planet.

Ya draw two lines, compare. Literally it.
The only thing that would get me is if the suns are orbiting namek or if namek is orbiting the suns. Also, having to pixel scale it since I don’t know how to do that.
 
Nobody actually scales to Namek exploding tho, thread we just had aside, the namek bust was chain reaction tbf, Frieza did vape the core directly and tank the exploding but we dont know how big the core is and ISL go brrr which makes getting a value kinda tough.
Wouldn't destroying the core still require overcoming the GBE? Pretty sure that's why Toei Frieza's 4-A
 
Dang so High 4-C sized planet if the stars are the size of the sun.
it'd literally only be namek tho, and ig the kai planet but that's bigger for completely diff reasons
Wouldn't destroying the core still require overcoming the GBE? Pretty sure that's why Toei Frieza's 4-A
No because fiction is dumb, it's actually worse in Toei because it took 7m, not 5.
 
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Nobody actually scales to Namek exploding tho, thread we just had aside, the namek bust was chain reaction tbf, Frieza did vape the core directly and tank the exploding but we dont know how big the core is and ISL go brrr which makes getting a value kinda tough.
Busting it flat-out wouldn't be 4-B anyway, it'd just be 4-C max. 4-C is a huge gap, even if Namek eclipsed suns, it'd still be kinda meh for a star overall and wouldn't reach even High 4-C.
IMO Frieza should scale to it a little for not only being able to tank it while being nearly dead but being able to produce an attack that was even stronger than what it took to destroy namek. also I dont think it was a chain reaction and I dont think VS wiki ever accepted that line of reasoning as busting the core of a planet doesnt make it explode outwards like a bomb as planets in DBZ do since that outward explosion is Frieza's own energy tearing the planet apart beyond its GBE (plus Frieza stated that he held back too much implying he could've busted it in a second if he wasnt).
If ya just mean the explosion itself, in manga it'd be 4-C if we use big namek, and toei, well yeah that shit is 4-B, actually, It'd be 4-A, Toei has a shot of Namek exploding and it takes out a chunk of the ******* galaxy iirc, Toei's explosion is dumb as shit either way with, or without.
Idk it could be 4-B depending on how big we think it is although i used Kai's explosion as a reference point
Tbh I was thinking more range, Frieza has that whip attack that cut up the planet.
I dont remember that but I doubt it significantly affects his combat speed
 
Huh. Here's the Solar System is a Galactic Nebula Raws. I found it in the Reddit Namek Calc comment section, (they linked to their Dragon Ball Solar System calc covering the Daizenshuu Solar System entry). According to them it is not a Mistranslation, due to the word choice of " (Ni)." I dunno if they're right or not. I just thought it was interesting to bring up since I dunno if that TL Check was ever actually handled.
This was already translated on-site
 
Frankly I think we'd need even more evidence that the Dragon Ball solar system is not supposed to mirror our own. They even go visit Jupiter just prior to the Namek Saga.
I dont know. i dont think the inclusion of a real life planet necessarily works as evidence against that claim. With that logic one might even claim that just the existence of planet earth in the solar system (as well as the sun) disproves it already
 
I dont know. i dont think the inclusion of a real life planet necessarily works as evidence against that claim. With that logic one might even claim that just the existence of planet earth in the solar system (as well as the sun) disproves it already
I'd say those are moreso the starting point for claiming similarity; with the Jupiter appearance acting as supporting to that claim.
 
They do have the same appearance but I don't see how that's not taking a reference from real world. Rather than that being indicative of solar system being same in both cosmo.
 
IMO Frieza should scale to it a little for not only being able to tank it while being nearly dead
Not how it works, ISL, him tanking it is like, High 6-A.
but being able to produce an attack that was even stronger than what it took to destroy namek.
Proof?
also I dont think it was a chain reaction and I dont think VS wiki ever accepted that line of reasoning as busting the core of a planet doesnt make it explode outwards like a bomb as planets in DBZ do since that outward explosion is Frieza's own energy tearing the planet apart beyond its GBE (plus Frieza stated that he held back too much implying he could've busted it in a second if he wasnt).
It was a chain reaction, every other planet bust might not be, but Namek itself is, unfortunately, the sole confirmed instance of one, Frieza himself even explains the planet will explode, not because of him, but because the core was vaporized. Makes no sense but it is what it is. He did hold back yeah, but we don't know how much quicker it'd happen if he didn't.
 
anyway I'm much more interested in the namek calc for now since it should put 50% Frieza very close to if not directly 4-B
 
I mean yeah, that whole thing regarding the DB world being largely based on our world was firmly established - particularly in the recent attempt to upgrade DB's Earth's size.

Speaking of that thread, I really did not appreciate the attempts to (especially in other conversations) dismiss it as just an attempt at upgrades for the sake of it. I say this because I was the one that made the calc, and I thought it made sense with the statements we had.
 
Not how it works, ISL, him tanking it is like, High 6-A.
yeah but that's with the current calc I'm pretty sure
he stated that he held back, he also produced a stronger attack as Mecha Frieza on earth and he even stated in the panel posted before that he could destroy this entire planet if he wanted to while suppressed
It was a chain reaction, every other planet bust might not be, but Namek itself is, unfortunately, the sole confirmed instance of one, Frieza himself even explains the planet will explode, not because of him, but because the core was vaporized. Makes no sense but it is what it is. He did hold back yeah, but we don't know how much quicker it'd happen if he didn't.
but we literally don't accept it and nor does it even imply a chain reaction. A planet exploding like a supernova doesn't happen unless something actually tears it apart like that and that "something" here is Frieza's own energy. at minimum he could bust it in 2.5 minutes since suppressed 50% Frieza did it in 5, with SSJ Goku probably being able to do it even quicker
 
Also I don't think calculating Namek's size will work. If Earth's in-universe statements didn't help, Namek sure as hell ain't gonna work
 
Also I don't think calculating Namek's size will work. If Earth's in-universe statements didn't help, Namek sure as hell ain't gonna work
Well Namek actually has reasons to be big since it has 3 suns. The argument for earth was that there was no statements about earth that should make it above the irl version.

Either way I copy and pasted Crim’s Calc and gave him credit ofc.

 
yeah but that's with the current calc I'm pretty sure
Yeah, it'd be higher, probably 5-B
he stated that he held back, he also produced a stronger attack as Mecha Frieza on earth and he even stated in the panel posted before that he could destroy this entire planet if he wanted to while suppressed
Mecha Frieza is stronger, and making a stronger attack, doesnt mean said attack would instant destroy Namek, it can be stronger and still not do that.

He can yes, but how?
but we literally don't accept it and nor does it even imply a chain reaction. A planet exploding like a supernova doesn't happen unless something actually tears it apart like that and that "something" here is Frieza's own energy. at minimum he could bust it in 2.5 minutes since suppressed 50% Frieza did it in 5, with SSJ Goku probably being able to do it even quicker
He LITERALLY says why, the core was disintegrated, and because of that, the planet becomes unstable and will explode. It's scientifically bullshit, but we're also talking about a sun-sized planet, realism left awhile back. It just is what is, it was a chain reaction.

And if we don't accept that, we're about to.
anyway I'm much more interested in the namek calc for now since it should put 50% Frieza very close to if not directly 4-B
it literally wouldnt, 4-C is MASSIVE. Even if they busted it flat-out, it'd be like 4-C max. Maybe less given size=/=density and it being 1g would implicate low density.
An attempt to upgrade Earth's size was made using in-universe distances and such, and it was rejected. Namek doesn't even have that afaik
We're talking about how in multiple shots, Namek's 3 suns can be seen by the planet, based on how the cycles work, one would need to be in the foreground or parallel with it, not the background. Assuming legit, it'd be a matter of just drawing two lines and comparing.
 
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