Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Darkmon_cns]

Have the renders in the manga profiles always been this ugly?

Son Goku (DBS Manga)

Son Goku (孫そん悟ご空くう, Son Gokū?) is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. He is a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby by his father Bardock to escape the destruction of the planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. Adopted by Grandpa Gohan, he became a kind-hearted boy after he bumped his head...

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No it use to be a nice picture from the manga itself

 

[Vizer04]

No it use to be a nice picture from the manga itself

I mean they are not terrible just really lacklustre. I'm sure there are better pictures out there, maybe some promotional from Toyotaro idk

 

[Quantu]

I mean they are not terrible just really lacklustre. I'm sure there are better pictures out there, maybe some promotional from Toyotaro idk

They get changed so much anyways, wait a week you'll find the profile has a picture that's good.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Could Goku in Dragon Ball Z receive better heat resistance by standing very close to a star that is similar to the sun?

 

[Vizer04]

The spacesuit gives him protection

 

[Darkmon_cns]

The spacesuit gives him protection

And it probably can't be added to standard equipment, even optional equipment is a stretch

 

[BitestDust]

It won't take long, especially now that Daima has shown that all space-time in the Universe is separated by a hyperspace.

̶D̶e̶a̶d̶ ̶z̶o̶n̶e̶

 

[StekFence]

So, how tall is tokitoki?

 

[Darkmon_cns]

So, how tall is tokitoki?

Like owl size I think

 

[Nierre]

for those who read/watch SDBH, what is the Universe Tree? And is Goku (using Universe Tree Power with SSB) stronger than him using UI/PUI?

 

[CryoTheMayo]

for those who read/watch SDBH, what is the Universe Tree? And is Goku (using Universe Tree Power with SSB) stronger than him using UI/PUI?

To my recollection the Universe Tree is grown from the Universe Seed which is used to create universes via nurturing it with enough energy (generally from celestial bodies). You can think of it as something like the Ten Tails from Naruto but on a much grander scale. Fu grew it by having its roots spread across the multiverse and absorb energy from everything in existence, including gods IIRC. He then later imbued it with the Dark Factor after its roots were destroyed and restored it.

As for UT Goku, I believe there are statements referring to it as the strongest form even counting Ultra Instinct.

EDIT: You can read its VSBW page here. And get a general plot idea from the DB wiki here.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Y'know what? What if Dabura is as strong as Super Perfect Cell?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Now that I'm thinking about it, Goku and Vegeta use "we" as if they are including Gohan when they claim they could "easily have handled" Dabura, which further strongly suggests that, if he unleashed his full power, Gohan could have defeated Cell as a Super Saiyan.

 

[TheJokerNG]

Best Super villain VS Best GT villain

 

[RedReaper616]

Y'know what? What if Dabura is as strong as Super Perfect Cell?

Then they upscale only a little bit, I think? I don’t think there’s too much of an increase, since they’re upscaling from that same 70x baseline value just a bit differently, no?

 

[NishizumiShiho]

Yo, can someone help me create a page for my OC in FCOC wiki? I already have it done but i want to try the style on CC goku page, but it just doesn't work

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I wonder if there are any databook excerpts that could help me scale Piccolo's Light Grenade above Android 17's Barrier; I feel like, at least, that narratively speaking,—given Cell's doubtless and vast superiority over the two (17 couldn't even defend himself when he was being pummeled), possibly warranting scaling to the Barrier on its own, and 17's reaction to Piccolo's last-ditch effort,—the Light Grenade is more powerful than anything either of the two have produced up to that point.

If I can get that going, then I can get Cell to four-times the both of them through tanking the Light Grenade.

 

[Vizer04]

Null doing god's work as usual

 

[BlastX]

I wonder if there are any databook excerpts that could help me scale Piccolo's Light Grenade above Android 17's Barrier; I feel like, at least, that narratively speaking,—given Cell's doubtless and vast superiority over the two (17 couldn't even defend himself when he was being pummeled), possibly warranting scaling to the Barrier on its own, and 17's reaction to Piccolo's last-ditch effort,—the Light Grenade is more powerful than anything either of the two have produced up to that point.

If I can get that going, then I can get Cell to four-times the both of them through tanking the Light Grenade.

Honestly that should be enough, 17 was able to easily block the Hellzone Grenade and Piccolo didn't seem too bothered by that, meanwhile the Cell situation was far more dire, 17 didn't even bother with the barrier (and because he has infinite energy, the energy cost is not an excuse) and Piccolo seemed terrified when Cell survived and was tired as **** after launching it.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

• At less than half strength, Old King Piccolo endures Goku's Kamehameha head-on and suffers zero damage.
• Tien Shinhan neutralizes the Super Dodon Ray with a Kiai—the least concentrated and least powerful external form of Ki.
• Goku completely nullifies Nappa's energy blast with a Kiai.
• Android 17's Barrier negates Piccolo's Hellzone Grenade.
• Imperfect Cell withstands Piccolo's Light Grenade head-on and suffers zero damage.
• Perfect Cell emerges unscathed after withstanding Super Vegeta's Lucora Gun.

Could be more.

Oh, hey, I've discussed this topic before already.

 

[Hasty12345]

I can't find the bio broly profile, did it get deleted?

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I can't find the bio broly profile, did it get deleted?

It was a different key on Broly's profile, but it got removed

 

[Hasty12345]

It was a different key on Broly's profile, but it got removed

Why would we remove the best version of Broly?

 

[CelestialVortex01]

𝑾𝒉𝒆𝒏 𝑬𝒕𝒆𝒓𝒏𝒊𝒕𝒚 𝑴𝒆𝒆𝒕𝒔 𝑫𝒊𝒗𝒊𝒏𝒊𝒕𝒚:𝑰𝒏𝒇𝒊𝒏𝒊𝒕𝒆 𝒁𝒂𝒎𝒂𝒔𝒖 𝒗𝒔 𝑮𝒓𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝑷𝒓𝒊𝒆𝒔𝒕

SUMMARY!!! - Pretty much the entire Future Trunks Saga goes the same, until Fusion Zamasu casted aside his physical form and became the Abstract thoughts of will & justice itself. -A few episodes back The Grand priest gave a button to Goku so he could summon him when he needs him, so Goku...

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[Jinsama]

skimming through platforms here and there, you need a damn PhD and loads of energydrinks for infinite DB and Goku being a good martial artist

 

[Huesito88]

skimming through platforms here and there, you need a damn PhD for infinite DB and Goku being a good martial artist

You underestimate dbz fan's shear commitment

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

̶E̶n̶j̶o̶y̶ ̶g̶u̶y̶s̶,̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶m̶a̶d̶e̶ ̶b̶y̶ ̶m̶e̶ ̶

 

[Jinsama]

̶E̶n̶j̶o̶y̶ ̶g̶u̶y̶s̶,̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶m̶a̶d̶e̶ ̶b̶y̶ ̶m̶e̶ ̶

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Es básicamente Ultra Cell perfecto blue contra Goku ssj4 XD

 

[Quibster]

Felt obligated to share this here for insight;

How high into 2-C is Beast Gohan?

Currently weighing a few MU's for him. How high does he scale with universes in mind?

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[RedReaper616]

Finally ready.

GT Goku Profile

Okay, as many in the Dragon Ball DIscussion Board know, I took upon myself the task of reworking the GT Goku profile. In the midst of that, I went through a lot of stuff to really get this nailed down, so here goes. As already accepted in a previous thread, all of the Toei Films are canon. I...

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[Nullflowerblush]

Ignoring its aura, which is supporting evidence (at best), nothing ever implies Cell is ever transformed outside of when Cell is Powerweighted, which is explicitly the Third Grade Super Saiyan form.

Actually, if I conceded that Cell could always and always has been used Super Saiyan at times, I could push the scaling chain even further.

 

[RedReaper616]

I mean there’s nothing really to concede. It’s either you take the unsaid implication given by the Manga’s purposeful visuals, related guides, Anime’s visual and sound design, character statements, etc. or ya don’t. Either is valid because the evidence is based within supplemental information with no real explicit statement.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Spoiler

Cell Saga​

• Fused with Kami, Piccolo achieves power that rivals Android 17's. >18975.5738 Quettatons (High 4-C)
• Android 17's Barrier nullifies Piccolo's Hellzone Grenade, requiring double the Ki. >1.58791413 Foe (High 4-C)
  • Piccolo's Light Grenade possesses destructive ability even 17 acknowledged.
• After absorbing 630,000+ Earthlings, Cell's Ki skyrocketed far beyond the likes of Piccolo and Android 17 and then further increased beyond belief after accessing the power of a Super Saiyan. >39.6978531 Foe (4-B)
• After absorbing Android 17, Cell's power increased beyond even Android 16's. >40.4918102 Foe

Perfect Cell Saga​

• With Android 18's power, Cell reaches its perfect form, dominating the likes of Super Vegeta. >41.2857672 Foe
• Cell replicates Trunks's Super Saiyan Third Grade transformation. >2.06428836 KiloFoe

Cell Games​

• In their normal forms, the Saiyans are fifty-times weaker than as Super Saiyans. >40.4918102 Foe
• The resurrected Cell Juniors outclass DBS Saga SS Goten and Trunks. >2.02459051 KiloFoe
  • The original Cell Juniors are identical to their DBS counterparts.
    • Post-2nd RoSaT SS Vegeta and Trunks are "equal" in strength to the Cell Juniors.
    • At full power, SS Goku's Ki was immeasurable, as per Krillin.
      • Cell, seemingly at "full power", exchanged blows evenly with SS Goku.
      • Eventually, Cell began easily outmatching Goku, ultimately forcing him to surrender.
      • Even weighted, SS Gohan's power eclipsed that of Goku's.
    • As Piccolo can endure the Cell Juniors, who possess "roughly the same amount of power and speed as [Perfect] Cell", he is at least stronger than Super Vegeta. >40.4918102 Foe
• Per Babidi Saga Vegeta, a passive SS Gohan now is stronger than SS Gohan then. >2.02459051 KiloFoe
  • Initially, Gohan kept pace with a fully-recovered Cell.
  • Yet, Cell held the overwhelming advantage.
  • Drawing upon his anger, SS Gohan floored Cell with a single kick.
• Finally revealing its full power, Cell's Ki trumps over anything previously witnessed. >2.06428836 KiloFoe
  • Via Powerhouse, Cell trades speed for strength, achieving a Super Saiyan's power.
    • After self-destructing, Cell regenerates more powerful than ever before via Zenkai Boost.
      • With less than half of his Ki remaining, Gohan's one-armed Kamehameha matches Cell's. >4.12857672 KiloFoe
      • A hypothetical full power SS Gohan likely surpasses Perfect Cell.
        • A hypothetical full power Gohan is fifty-times weaker. >41.2857672 Foe

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Unless, of course, Semi-Perfect Cell used Super Saiyan against Vegeta, and Perfect Cell's Super Saiyan against Goku is accepted as a genuine 50x.
Then, the scaling chain is pushed even further.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Mmm, looks like he does.
Cell's powering up being intercut with Gohan's transformation is a rather interesting parallel as well.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

May be jumping the shark a tad.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Does anyone know if we've cucked MUI out of a Blue Fusion multiplier? Cuz right now I put together a scaling chain for the ToP that gets goku over 10 thousand times stronger over the course up until MUI, and it'd be really ******* lame if we treated MUI as a nothing power up scaling wise and just putting it as 'he got stronger'

 

[Aaaaa11112222]

In regards to R>F, whether or not something is considered 1-A or 11-C is dependent on what is considered the base reality. The books are treated as they're "below" the "normal" world of Dr. Slump where Arale and co. live and we as the reader spend the most time. Toriyama's world where he and his editor live (assuming R>F is true for that) is considered "above" Arale's world and would be 1-A.

wouldn't R>F be absolute in general? Like, it doesn't matter what is the base reality or not?

 

[Roun12]

wouldn't R>F be absolute in general? Like, it doesn't matter what is the base reality or not?

Nope, 11-C includes quote: "Characters who are "qualitatively inferior" to conventional reality". It's a matter of what is considered the "conventional reality."