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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
It's almost ready?
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It’s been ready for quite a while in all honestly
I just lost motivation at some point along the way and started updating it ever so slowly

But in light of truly unfortunate recent events
I’ve made a point to renew it a lot and add a bunch more stuff I was honestly saving for an update CTR after the profile went live

But now..
I just want it to be perfect on release
I’ll be sure to DM anyone/everyone in discord whoever wants to see it and my other plans the day before the CTR drops just for extra opinions, suggestions and support.
 
Hello, I have a question about ki. Is ki energy connected to the soul? Let me give an example: Is the soul of the person whose ki energy we crush or destroy indirectly affected?
 
Hasty12345 said:
Hey guys

It's taken me some time but I've decided that with Toriyama's passing, for the time being, I can't emotionally handle actively scaling Dragon Ball at this stage. so I will be unfollowing this thread for the foreseeable future and won't be taking part in any DB threads.
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Wish you the best
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Matrixxxx said:
Hello, I have a question about ki. Is ki energy connected to the soul? Let me give an example: Is the soul of the person whose ki energy we crush or destroy indirectly affected?
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We don't really know many details about Ki. Though we know that it needs to be trained in different aspects. Ginyu couldn't use more than a power level of 24k in Goku's body and was losing to Krillin even though Goku's actual power level at the time was 90,000, which Goku said was because Ginyu hadn't trained his mind and couldn't use Goku's powers properly. Toriyama once noted that Ki is composed of 3 aspects; Genki (Vigor/Spirit), Yuki (Courage), Shoki (Typical "inner peace" mind stuff basically).

Considering that characters retain their Ki upon entering the Otherworld, we can assume that the soul is inherently connected to Ki.
 
Ss3micah said:
It’s been ready for quite a while in all honestly
I just lost motivation at some point along the way and started updating it ever so slowly

But in light of truly unfortunate recent events
I’ve made a point to renew it a lot and add a bunch more stuff I was honestly saving for an update CTR after the profile went live

But now..
I just want it to be perfect on release
I’ll be sure to DM anyone/everyone in discord whoever wants to see it and my other plans the day before the CTR drops just for extra opinions, suggestions and support.
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You are the best, don't forget to put omnipresence,it is everywhere, including on banknotes.
 
RinneItachi said:
We don't really know many details about Ki. Though we know that it needs to be trained in different aspects. Ginyu couldn't use more than a power level of 24k in Goku's body and was losing to Krillin even though Goku's actual power level at the time was 90,000, which Goku said was because Ginyu hadn't trained his mind and couldn't use Goku's powers properly. Toriyama once noted that Ki is composed of 3 aspects; Genki (Vigor/Spirit), Yuki (Courage), Shoki (Typical "inner peace" mind stuff basically).

Considering that characters retain their Ki upon entering the Otherworld, we can assume that the soul is inherently connected to Ki.
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But we know, in the manga it was explained that soul and ki are the same things, arch Moro.
 
Matrixxxx said:
Hello, I have a question about ki. Is ki energy connected to the soul? Let me give an example: Is the soul of the person whose ki energy we crush or destroy indirectly affected?
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Ki is connected to the Soul. We know that in transfer to the afterlife, your Ki remains—We also know it directly houses the Soul, which is why Moro’s Ki feels like a mass of screaming souls and why when Ki was returned, his victims with bodies were revived. (This is also why Yardrats call it “Spirit.”)

That said, no, hitting someone with a Ki blast doesn’t harm their Soul, as far as we know. They’re connected, but they aren’t reliant on each other in such a way.
 
RedReaper said:
Ki is connected to the Soul. We know that in transfer to the afterlife, your Ki remains—We also know it directly houses the Soul, which is why Moro’s Ki feels like a mass of screaming souls and why when Ki was returned, his victims with bodies were revived. (This is also why Yardrats call it “Spirit.”)

That said, no, hitting someone with a Ki blast doesn’t harm their Soul, as far as we know. They’re connected, but they aren’t reliant on each other in such a way.
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In the manga Vegeta also mentions that ki are people's souls.


 
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Padaruyos said:
Someone needs to revise the Toei DB 4-A - 3-B scaling chain. We used the Serious Punch^2 calc for that and that got replaced with another one.
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Garlick Jrs feat yields practically the same energy as the previous calc for it, so unless it’s a significant upgrade it might be best to just keep it as is since it still scales to 50% Freeza.
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Naah, Ki is just an energy system which includes "soul energy", but no ki user can harm nor affect the soul in any way just by throwing ki attacks
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Mm. This does open up a few questions, though.

Spirit Control is, well, control on the Spirit/Ki, which grants strange abilities like separating Ki (Souls) from a Ki (Soul) Stealer, which then does beg the question: Would the principles of Spirit Control being applied to YOUR OWN Ki be Limited Soul ManipulatIon? Kind of the like the unique "Knowledge of your Soul Outline" operates in JJK? In this case, manipulating your Ki (Soul) to amplify it? I'd argue this seems to be the case, as those without SC are said to be "out of touch with their Spirit." (Spirit being Ki/The Soul.) And increasing that Spirit grants greater power as well as the wealth of techniques (which is described as "shifting, splitting, and growing" one's spirit {Soul}).
 
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LuffyRuffy46307 said:
I believe so, they can manipulate their souls freely, i still think that ki should receive a type 3 concept, because they are linked to the existence of everything multiverse, including the soul itself, beyond timelines.
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I don't know if this makes much difference to the concept.

But ki defines your existence, in addition to each person having their own ki signature, which also defines whether you are good or bad, it also defines whether you are a deity or not.

I saw GOW using this thing about whether you are a god or not to support the concept. Although there is much more there and there is more context about things.

But it's a way of thinking, personally I don't see a type 3 concept in ki, but if you can do it, well, good, I guess.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I don't know if this makes much difference to the concept.

But ki defines your existence, in addition to each person having their own ki signature, which also defines whether you are good or bad, it also defines whether you are a deity or not.

I saw GOW using this thing about whether you are a god or not to support the concept. Although there is much more there and there is more context about things.

But it's a way of thinking, personally I don't see a type 3 concept in ki, but if you can do it, well, good, I guess.
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We literally have this on the verse page.

Talking about being someone's life force, their emotions and mindset. In addition to the additional thing that defines whether you are a god or not.
Genki (元気 lit. "Vigor") is the energy/life force that is projected in ki. Genki is present in the grass and trees, people and animals, inanimate objects, the atmosphere and celestial bodies.[3]

Yūki (勇気 lit. "Courage") is implied to be the literal emotion of courage and the energy rush that comes from that, which would mean ki is as much an emotional concept as it is a physical energy to use in battle.[2] Yūki also makes it possible to grant one's power to another person by cheering and encouraging them.[2][4]

Shōki (正気 lit. "Right-mindedness") is implied to be one's mental state, meaning that by maintaining self-control, balance and staying true to yourself, it is possible to increase your capability in battle.[5]
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Why doesn't Ki have life manipulation? If the vital force is part of ki?
 
RedReaper said:
Mm. This does open up a few questions, though.

Spirit Control is, well, control on the Spirit/Ki, which grants strange abilities like separating Ki (Souls) from a Ki (Soul) Stealer, which then does beg the question: Would the principles of Spirit Control being applied to YOUR OWN Ki be Limited Soul ManipulatIon? Kind of the like the unique "Knowledge of your Soul Outline" operates in JJK? In this case, manipulating your Ki (Soul) to amplify it? I'd argue this seems to be the case, as those without SC are said to be "out of touch with their Spirit." (Spirit being Ki/The Soul.) And increasing that Spirit grants greater power as well as the wealth of techniques (which is described as "shifting, splitting, and growing" one's spirit (Soul).
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Bros cooking I think that if someone does use Spirit Control it should automatically be Soul Manipulation though.
 
RedReaper said:
Mm. This does open up a few questions, though.

Spirit Control is, well, control on the Spirit/Ki, which grants strange abilities like separating Ki (Souls) from a Ki (Soul) Stealer, which then does beg the question: Would the principles of Spirit Control being applied to YOUR OWN Ki be Limited Soul ManipulatIon? Kind of the like the unique "Knowledge of your Soul Outline" operates in JJK? In this case, manipulating your Ki (Soul) to amplify it? I'd argue this seems to be the case, as those without SC are said to be "out of touch with their Spirit." (Spirit being Ki/The Soul.) And increasing that Spirit grants greater power as well as the wealth of techniques (which is described as "shifting, splitting, and growing" one's spirit (Soul).
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I mean, I can see spirit control granting self Soul Manipulation, maybe. But not ki manipulation in general, though.
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
I believe so, they can manipulate their souls freely, i still think that ki should receive a type 3 concept, because they are linked to the existence of everything multiverse, including the soul itself, beyond timelines.
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Ki could be a type 3 concept, but it wouldn't matter since:

1. No character can manipulate, erase, or control ki at conceptual level
2. No character would actually have AE besides maybe IZ, who already has it.
 
RedReaper said:
Mm. This does open up a few questions, though.

Spirit Control is, well, control on the Spirit/Ki, which grants strange abilities like separating Ki (Souls) from a Ki (Soul) Stealer, which then does beg the question: Would the principles of Spirit Control being applied to YOUR OWN Ki be Limited Soul ManipulatIon? Kind of the like the unique "Knowledge of your Soul Outline" operates in JJK? In this case, manipulating your Ki (Soul) to amplify it? I'd argue this seems to be the case, as those without SC are said to be "out of touch with their Spirit." (Spirit being Ki/The Soul.) And increasing that Spirit grants greater power as well as the wealth of techniques (which is described as "shifting, splitting, and growing" one's spirit {Soul}).
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Besides, Gotenks makes ghosts.
 
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