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Yeah the original dub tried to make Goku seem like a Hero, however in the manga and Z kai it was about him accepting being the super sayian
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Yes, I think Goku's arc in the early parts of Z is about him accepting his origins and taking an attitude more similar to his race as well as being a little more proud in certain aspects thanks to Vegeta.
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Worthy of a saiyajin
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I don't know, no explanation was given other than that Goku fought with the intention of enjoying the fights, surpassing himself, protecting his friends, etc. unlike Vegeta who wanted to show who was better along with his sadistic actions towards his opponents and some other things that I don't remember, he explains it when he accepts that Goku is number 1 in the Buu saga
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I said that the hakai energy was simply in the ki blast, you said the same
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Destructive Fissure is a ki blast that uses God Ki (PoD) instead of normal ki to form the attack. That’s what I said.
Vietthai96
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anyway, regardless of Hakai being Ki or not, it gonna be in it own page, so this debate is kinda moot
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No, it uses hakai alongside ki, that is what the deacription says
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This fight hakai= Ki will be infinite
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It says it’s a ki blast made ofhakai energy. Destructive Fission is a technique that makes a ki blast by using PoD ki instead of normal ki.
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Bro can someone make a kratos vs demigra match
I am too scared to do it
I am too scared to do it
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No, it says it's a ki blast with hakai energy in it
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No layers defined for demigra, so not really possible atmBro can someone make a kratos vs demigra match
I am too scared to do it
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It says generate a ki blast with Hakai energy. It’s a ki blast that uses Hakai energy since Hakai is a type of god ki.
Killerdrone123
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Wrong thread anyway xenoverse demigra would get stomped his time power isn't passive and not to mention for heroes demigra hax layers aren't resolved yetBro can someone make a kratos vs demigra match
I am too scared to do it
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What will happen is that the match will be closed due to DBH not having established layers, so Kratos will just throw punches at Demigra.Bro can someone make a kratos vs demigra match
I am too scared to do it
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Don't know how you got that last part from the deacription, non sequitur dude, it using hakai energy doesn't mean that hakai energy is ki, more over it doesn't mean that it is God Ki, really don't know how you got that from the description "ki blast amped by Hakai energy"
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I'm 100% sure Dragon Ball refers to the GoDs' energy as 気 (ki) rather than エネルギー (energy).
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Power of Destruction (破壊の力 Hakai no chikara)
Hakai (破壊 Hakai, lit. "Destruction")
At least this Kanji is not within the name of the skills.
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I forgot about that one.
It seems so, they call it "energy"
Energy of Destruction (破壊のエネルギー Hakai no enerugī)
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Alright.
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what is the difference between the "energy/Genki" and "energy/Enerugi"?
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"Ki" has more meanings. The latter was just imported from English.
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Where are you getting ki blast amped by Hakai energy from. It says that the technique destructive fission is a Ki blast GENERATED by Hakai energy.
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No it isn't, it is never said that it is generated BY hakai energy, only that it is a Ki blast fulled with hakai energy
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This debate going nowhere ngl
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Wdym? He literally let Frieza live after murdering a bunch of people and threatening to murder everyone in Z. I don't care about the "shame" mechanic, that nearly left everyone dead.Super murdered goku's character horribly
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Being full of a thing and being created by a thing are in no way the same, actually.
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Tbf one could chalk up Goku's decision to spare Frieza in Z was because A) all of the Namekians, part of the reason why Goku promised to stop Freiza, were revived with the Namekian DBs and B) Goku had become a Super Saiyan and simultaneously broke Frieza's pride and utterly humiliated him by him, a mere "monkey", being stronger then Frieza. Of course as soon as Frieza tried to double him, Goku instantly went for the killing move and in Future Trunks' timeline he didn't leave Frieza alive. And what I think Frieza did for Goku was that, from my perspective, he taught Goku that some people just can't be redeemed or given mercy.
But in Super? It's even more egregious because not only did Goku know by then that Frieza was unwilling to redeem himself and still was willing to let him go, but he also was going to let Frieza go with the knowledge that Frieza's potential would able him to just train for even longer and come back to kill Goku once and for all. You could say that Goku did kill Frieza after Whis rewinded time, but that was only when he saw Frieza destroy the Earth and everyone on it...he shouldn't have even bothered to spare him the first time around.
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Here's the thing. Goku is shown to LEARN from that. He's real subtle about it, though. When he offers to bring Frieza back using Earth's Dragon Balls? He can't, and he knows that. Frieza was already brought back. Whis is the one who screwed that up. The first time though, he probably just got cocky because him and Vegeta were both jacked.
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That doesn’t change what I said. Destructive Fission is an attack that is full of hakai energy, as opposed to normal energy.
It‘s a EoD technique the same way God Bind is a technique that uses God Ki; this ability is an ability that uses EoD (better variant of aura of a god)
Though we can agree to disagree
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Another Porygon situation, my boi Goku is gettin blamed for something Whis did
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That is completely different to what you said earlier, you earlier said that the ki used in it was made with EoD
Considering that God Bind uses God ki instead of regular ki but this one uses normal Ki Amped by EoD.......no they are not the same thing
where are you getting this from?
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I said that the Ki blast in destructive fission uses PoD as opposed to normal Ki. As it’s filled with hakai energy.
E.o.D/Aura can’t be sensed by mortals.
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the description literally says that it uses Ki + Hakai Energy, where did you got that it uses hakai energy only?
care to give some examples? pretty sure that is because of the God Ki all the users of PoD have instead of being because of the PoD
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It doesn’t say the Ki blast uses Ki it says the Ki blast is full of hakai energy so It uses hakai energy as opposed to mortal Ki.
Sure. 0:21
When Toppo uses his G.o.D mode Shin comments on Toppo’s Ki and then says that his Ki is identical to that of a gods. He specifically says Ki if you listen, but the translation on the subtitles says energy because energy and Ki are interchangeable in DB if it isn’t already self-evident. I could probably find even more examples of EoD being Ki or God Ki I just didn’t think something this obvious would need to be proven.
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Right, but, simultaneously, 気 is used to describe even the energy that the Spirit Bomb receives, or the energy that the Androids use. Besides, Toppo had literally only began the transformation when the East Supreme Kai made the comment, he clearly was not referring to the Power of Destruction, because the Gods of Destruction are not continuously using the Power of Destruction.
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You can really hear "ki", and he even mentions that it is similar to that of the gods.
So for me it becomes more evident that the power of destruction is a type of God Ki.
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So if he made the comment when Toppo was transforming, then why would it not be referring to the transformation?
Shin literally says “Kami no Ki”
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