Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[omegabronic]

Nah

Ki being able to be charged with PoD doesn't prove that PoD is ki tho

 

[Phsccarvalho]

It's not ki in the sense of being a spiritual power that comes from courage and right mindedness, it just has it's similarities from being another type of energy

i was also not liking how the page was fully about regular ki, and them it suddenly had Power of Destruction

Since you made a page for "normal ki"

What do you think of the PoD page, it's just "God ki" and within those categories.

Then the profile would look like this.

"God Ki (Normal/Common and Power of Destruction)"

Just an idea I thought of now.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Ki being able to be charged with PoD doesn't prove that PoD is ki tho

It says generate a ki blast full of hakai energy. It’s the same way SSJG goku would charge up a Ki blast full of god ki. It’s just a type of ki.

 

[omegabronic]

It says generate a ki blast full of hakai energy. It’s the same way SSJG goku would charge up a Ki blast full of god ki. It’s just a type of ki.

Yeah, hence a Ki blast enhanced with Hakai energy like i said

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Yeah, hence a Ki blast enhanced with Hakai energy like i said

You make me confused sometimes so ima just keep my sanity intact and assume we agree on the same thing

 

[omegabronic]

You make me confused sometimes so ima just keep my sanity intact and assume we agree on the same thing

We don't, but sure your choice

 

[SlendVeny]

It says generate a ki blast full of hakai energy. It’s the same way SSJG goku would charge up a Ki blast full of god ki. It’s just a type of ki.

If I generate a glass filled with water, does that mean glass is the same as water?

 

[SirAlex09]

In the MUI Goku uses telekinesis in combat

Yeah but using telekinesis and then following up with an Instinct Kamehameha to erase luffy sounds too cheap for Goku to do

 

[Elyartaker]

If I generate a glass filled with water, does that mean glass is the same as water?

imo that is not a good example. the glass of water here is the baseline ability and technique like kamehameha. If I add blue color to the water I'll have blue water. If I add purple I'll have purple water.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

We don't, but sure your choice

Okay then why did you say what I said was what you said?

If I generate a glass filled with water, does that mean glass is the same as water?

No, but if you generate a ki based attack using a special type of ki. Then, it’s still a ki based attack. We see Toppo use this move in the anime. He makes a tiny flick of Hakai energy to erase Frieza’s supernova attack that has enough power to “destroy a planet.”

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Honestly, I still think much of what Ki's abilities offer, I can't wait for someone to make conceptual Ki or have soul manipulation

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Ok, since Cell in Fortnite is official, can we add this in his Gallery?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I believe, I just saw Fortnite my eyes cried blood

 

[Cass5373]

Honestly, I still think much of what Ki's abilities offer, I can't wait for someone to make conceptual Ki or have soul manipulation

I don't understand why ki manipulation is not yet accepted as soul manipulation...

 

[Cass5373]

With the topic of conceptual manipulation it is a little more understandable but not in terms of the manipulation of the soul, which is explicitly described in ki as the manipulation of the spirit...

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I don't understand why ki manipulation is not yet accepted as soul manipulation...

In the manga there is a quote about Ki being the user's own soul, so technically they should gain soul manipulation by the limited

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

With the topic of conceptual manipulation it is a little more understandable but not in terms of the manipulation of the soul, which is explicitly described in ki as the manipulation of the spirit...

All that's left is for someone to try to make a crt to join soul manipulation, the blog didn't cover that.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I don't understand why ki manipulation is not yet accepted as soul manipulation...

I’ve seen Naruto have it for having spiritual energy, so maybe since the spiritual side is apart of ki it could be soul manipulation. Also, we see in the dbs manga that souls are apart of ki. So I’ll probably look into soul manip for DB.

 

[Vietthai96]

Let not rush thing, remember that there is effort people put in these work, everything need to be planned accordingly

 

[Cass5373]

In the manga there is a quote about Ki being the user's own soul, so technically they should gain soul manipulation by the limited

Moro, who by absorbing vital energy/ki, also absorbed the souls of those he affected with his power is a clear example, just as the Yadratian previously explained to Vegeta that Ki was the manipulation of the spirit among other things.

 

[Cass5373]

Let not rush thing, remember that there is effort people put in these work, everything need to be planned accordingly

I agree, even the most obvious thing can be rejected if it is not cooked properly.

 

[Jaakor48]

Wouldn't time stop/time skip resistance and resistance to absolute zero also be a property of Kai at 2c and above? Goku using KK annulled the effects of time skip, Jiren's resistance of time stop was attributed to his power, Vegeta likewise completely resisted AZ when he went ssj,

Yup, Power of Destruction is not ki, so making a separate page will be better

In my opinion, there appear to be 2 forms of destruction, power of destruction and energy of destruction. POD seems to be the more hax version, doesn't travel, the target just vanishes, EOD seems to be the ki based one, and it's power can be regulated on a target, sidra have a weakened version, Toppo's version was much stronger than that one but still non lethal

 

[Davi009997]

Are the powers to manipulate hit timing layered?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Goku when he was a child was very evil and ended up killing his enemies

 

[Cass5373]

Goku when he was a child was very evil and ended up killing his enemies

He murdered almost the entire red patrol, he was bloodthirsty as a child

 

[Killerdrone123]

It was android 8 who taught goku that killing is bad

 

[Emerald]

It was android 8 who taught goku that killing is bad

Yet he murked the entire Red Ribbon Army a few days later

 

[SlendVeny]

Goku when he was a child was very evil and ended up killing his enemies

That guy straight up murdered his friends, Goku just became even more of an idiot in Z.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

ended up killing his enemies

KAMI'S EVIL INCARNATE?????

 

[Killerdrone123]

I mean luffy is correct but he used some what of a wrong example

 

[Spinoirr]

Goku when he was a child was very evil and ended up killing his enemies

Self defense + fighting to survive is amoral

 

[Cass5373]

It was android 8 who taught goku that killing is bad

He was learning and giving justifications for why not killing is not precisely that he does not kill his enemies for something like good or evil but rather to have future opponents to fight for as he explained it to Merus.

 

[Killerdrone123]

He was learning and giving justifications for why not killing is not precisely that he does not kill his enemies for something like good or evil but rather to have future opponents to fight for as he explained it to Merus.

Super murdered goku's character horribly

 

[Cass5373]

I think remembering without sources that Toriyama never conceived the character of Goku as a hero or something like that, Goku himself claims that he is not a hero, he is not guided by the morals of a "normal person" after all.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

KAMI'S EVIL INCARNATE?????

Goku left a child an orphan

 

[Killerdrone123]

I think remembering without sources that Toriyama never conceived the character of Goku as a hero or something like that, Goku himself claims that he is not a hero, he is not guided by the morals of a "normal person" after all.

I was going to quote goku's super saiyan speech but didn't dub change the original speech or something like that

 

[Cass5373]

The thing is that people, depending on how they have consumed DB, such as anime or manga (as in my case), have a different perception of Goku's character since his actions and attitudes are expressed in different ways. Likewise, Goku has always had questionable actions but in Super he became a little more stupid and carefree.

 

[Cass5373]

I was going to quote goku's super saiyan speech but didn't dub change the original speech or something like that

When Goku left Frezeer alive, what he wanted was for him to live a life of misery and shame knowing that the race he despised the most had defeated and humiliated him in a fight and even worse, he had spared his life.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Self defense + fighting to survive is amoral

Morally, Goku has killed several people just out of anger and in Dragon Ball Super Super Hero it is mentioned that Goku killed members of the Red Ribbon Force

 

[Spinoirr]

Morally, Goku has killed several people just out of anger and in Dragon Ball Super Super Hero it is mentioned that Goku killed members of the Red Ribbon Force

Goku purifies his intentions with martial arts, hence why he can kill without consequences unlike Vegeta as he isn't killing pure intentions like survival or self defense or to protect others