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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Goku isn't a conventional hero but he's still pure of heart. Even as a kid he'd do random acts of kindness for strangers he just met. Goku is a sweet good natured person, and in all honesty what Super didn't wasn't character assassination, but more akin to flounderization, highlighting specific qualities for the sake of comedy.

Super Goku is still Goku, DBS was just generally a more lighthearted series than Z, therefor more opportunities for his goofy side to shine.
 
"No, see, I don't think of it like I'm saving the world. The fact is, it's because I'm usually trying to challenge the strongest warriors I can find. That's how this tournament happened, too. But I can't bear the thought of innocent lives getting wiped out just because I want to fight the best. So, I'll do what I can for them."

- Goku explaining his motivations to Android 17
 
Yeah I don't know wtf that was about, the manga fixed it to him being surprised Vegeta of all people would be meditating, but that shit was goofy
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Goku isn't a conventional hero but he's still pure of heart. Even as a kid he'd do random acts of kindness for strangers he just met. Goku is a sweet good natured person, and in all honesty what Super didn't wasn't character assassination, but more akin to flounderization, highlighting specific qualities for the sake of comedy.

Super Goku is still Goku, DBS was just generally a more lighthearted series than Z, therefor more opportunities for his goofy side to shine.
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I don't know about you personally, but instances like Goku being willing to let Frieza go during Revival of F is something he shouldn't have done or considered in the first place IMO.

Yes, Goku's been known to spare a number of his enemies which later became his friends or his allies, but he spared Frieza twice on Namek and both in instances the guy tried to kill Goku and was unwilling to turn a new leaf. That's why Goku blasted him in the end and, with that look he gave at the end of the fight, indicates that he perhaps learned that there are individuals who are incapable of and undeserving of redemption like Frieza and the fact he took out Mecha Frieza in Future Trunks' timeline would indicate that he didn't offer mercy against him for the third times . So, when he fights a much stronger Frieza and was going to let him go when Frieza was weaker and beat, I find that to be irritating because he should better then that and understand that Frieza is too dangerous to let live...especially now that he's learned Frieza can surpass years decades worth of training in months, and that the potential possibility of Frieza just returning much stronger and killing everyone is enough reason for anyone to not let him live.

So let me make this a little clear: I'm not advocating for Goku to kill any and all enemies he faces now and in the future, I'm simply saying that Super Goku should be capable at this point of discerning who can be redeemed and who is irredeemable and act accordingly with that information. It's the same vein as why, in my opinion, Goku should've taken out Moro when he had the upper hand in MUI because he was far too dangerous and unrepenting to keep alive
 
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Considering these guys can't breathe in space, you'd think Goku would know to kill the mass destroyers who could kill everyone by literally just performing a space drive-by
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Considering these guys can't breathe in space, you'd think Goku would know to kill the mass destroyers who could kill everyone by literally just performing a space drive-by
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At this point, I'd totally be down with them retconning it so that Saiyans are capable of fully breathing in space because a lot of side media, and instances in canon material, show instances of characters like Goku just flying or fighting in space without much issue.

I mean it just saves a massive headache of constantly arguing if Saiyans can breathe in space or not, I say just make it canon and be done with it so people don't ask things like that lol
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
At this point, I'd totally be down with them retconning it so that Saiyans are capable of fully breathing in space because a lot of side media, and instances in canon material, show instances of characters like Goku just flying or fighting in space without much issue.

I mean it just saves a massive headache of constantly arguing if Saiyans can breathe in space or not, I say just make it canon and be done with it so people don't ask things like that lol
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Is it ever specifically shown in the main continuity that Saiyans can't breathe in space?
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Is it ever specifically shown in the main continuity that Saiyans can't breathe in space?
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Edit: Also Frieza straight up killing Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta via planet busting in RoF lol
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
I don't know about you personally, but instances like Goku being willing to let Frieza go during Revival of F is something he shouldn't have done or considered in the first place IMO.

Yes, Goku's been known to spare a number of his enemies which later became his friends or his allies, but he spared Frieza twice on Namek and both in instances the guy tried to kill Goku and was unwilling to turn a new leaf. That's why Goku blasted him in the end and, with that look he gave at the end of the fight, indicates that he perhaps learned that there are individuals who are incapable of and undeserving of redemption like Frieza and the fact he took out Mecha Frieza in Future Trunks' timeline would indicate that he didn't offer mercy against him for the third times . So, when he fights a much stronger Frieza and was going to let him go when Frieza was weaker and beat, I find that to be irritating because he should better then that and understand that Frieza is too dangerous to let live...especially now that he's learned Frieza can surpass years decades worth of training in months, and that the potential possibility of Frieza just returning much stronger and killing everyone is enough reason for anyone to not let him live.

So let me make this a little clear: I'm not advocating for Goku to kill any and all enemies he faces now and in the future, I'm simply saying that Super Goku should be capable at this point of discerning who can be redeemed and who is irredeemable and act accordingly with that information. It's the same vein as why, in my opinion, Goku should've taken out Moro when he had the upper hand in MUI because he was far too dangerous and unrepenting to keep alive
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Counter point: RoF is f*king ass and I ignore it entirely
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Is it ever specifically shown in the main continuity that Saiyans can't breathe in space?
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^What Maverick said above. Plus during the Frieza fight on Namek, after Frieza tried blowing up the planet, it was a decently sized tense situation for Goku because Frieza stated that he can breathe in space unlike Goku. So there's a few moments in the main continuity where it's a plot point that Saiyans can breathe in space even though that little factoid can sometimes be ignored or it's not as exaggerated in other instances
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
The fact that Saiyans are completely fine in the exosphere but make their way to death's doorstep if they take one step outside is goofy
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I still think that this story about the Saiyans not surviving in the vacuum of space was retold by Frieza's race in order to colonize the Saiyans so they wouldn't run away (Frieza enslaving an entire race for labor and doing his work).
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
The choice to make Super Saiyans unable to breathe in space is absolutely stupid

Never mind the god damn Super Saiyan God being unable to breathe in space
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Does it actually make sense? I mean, they are still living organisms.

We can't really say that it doesn't make sense considering real life.

Like, them surviving in space would only mean having fights in space. Of course, I would like that, but I don't know if actually saying that "it doesn't make sense" makes sense.

But on the issue of SSJG going forward, I think an excuse like "gods don't need to breathe" could be a good excuse.

It's kind of stupid to think that a god needs oxygen.

Sir_Marvulous said:
The fact that Saiyans are completely fine in the exosphere but make their way to death's doorstep if they take one step outside is goofy
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In the layer where Beerus and Goku fought, there is still oxygen. Although it's extremely little, so I think it makes some sense.

But I don't remember much about the battle of gods arc in the anime.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Does it actually make sense? I mean, they are still living organisms.

We can't really say that it doesn't make sense considering real life.

Like, them surviving in space would only mean having fights in space. Of course, I would like that, but I don't know if actually saying that "it doesn't make sense" makes sense.

But on the issue of SSJG going forward, I think an excuse like "gods don't need to breathe" could be a good excuse.

It's kind of stupid to think that a god needs oxygen.
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Saiyans being able to breathe in space by undergoing a transformation into an ascended state makes a lot of damn sense. And from a narrative perspective, stamina drain adds a time limit
Phsccarvalho said:
In the layer where Beerus and Goku fought, there is still oxygen. Although it's extremely little, so I think it makes some sense.
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Molecules in the exosphere effectively don't collide. There is practically no air up there to the point that it can be considered part of outer space
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Edit: Also Frieza straight up killing Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta via planet busting in RoF lol
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I can't forgive this tidbit when it comes to RoF. I mean not only was it suppose to be a major sell on the movie where Vegeta was going to be the main character that defeated Frieza, and he wasn't which rightfully got people annoyed, but then the movie kills him off in one of the dumbest ways imaginable for such a beloved and badass character.

You know I have my issues with the Moro and Granolah Arcs, but I think RoF is hands down one of the worst arcs in Super and possibly even Dragon Ball as a whole.
 
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