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Also this. Zamasu was omnipresent across time as well in Xenoverse 2
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Dragon Ball Heroes/Xenoverse immeasurable speed upgrade
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Not necessarily. Despite Dabura being vastly inferior to Vegeta, he still managed to mind control him, albeit only temporarily. The Devilmite Beam works on everyone with evil in their heart, Monster Carrot's touch works on anyone, the Transfiguration Beam managed to work on Vegito despite Vegito being vastly superior to Buuhan and Buu himself had to reverse it, et cetera.
Yeah. In the Dark Demon Realm Mission! manga, Chronoa managed to freeze Mira in time. It was the first chapter, I believe.
Speaking of, Chronoa managed to seal Mechikabura outside of space and time with the Time Labyrinth. Mechikabura had to undo the technique in order to escape, rather than just flying out of it, which he would have been able to do with Immeasurable speed. Hell, Time Power Unleashed Mechikabura, the same one who absorbed all of the multiverse, was sealed outside of space and time by the Time Patrol. What's up with that?
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1- Time Labyrinth is a sealing technique
2-That was Dark King Mechi, not Time Power Unleashed. That was way before he started absorbing time, your argument doesn't stand up here.
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@Nullflowerblush don't you mean Babidi?
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3- Babidi Mindhaxxed Vegeta, not Dabura.
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Btw time stopping an immeasurable speed character just makes the hax more impressive.
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I'm sorry for my behavior, it's just that this situation doesn't help anyone
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Are you referring to the cutscene from the Infinite History Saga or something else?
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Yes. In the Goku Black arc (before Infinite History) Infinite Zamasu goes from Age 796 to age 852.
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It's cool, a lot (at least 70% of the people here) share your frustration.
Goku Black Xenoverse 2 edition
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Yeah, that isn't omnipresent across time. He appeared in the Time Nest, and that's it.
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Also is Chronoa's time stop ability affecting others not that impressive to some? We're talking about someone who not only governs time but who's existence is implied to be important to time because in Xenoverse 2 it was stated by Dabura that by killing her all of history would also die. So for anyone to resist, let alone break and move out of, such potent time abilities IMO is pretty impressive
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That is either temporal Omnipresence/Nigh-Omnipresence or Immeasurable speed. There's no in between here.
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@Nullflowerblush that didn't end well last time. After all when that upgrade thread happened, the standards for infinite speed changed.
Of course that wasn't DB's fault but we ought to tread carefully
Of course that wasn't DB's fault but we ought to tread carefully
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Why is it temporal Omnipresence if he only appeared in one location? You'd have to prove he was in all infinite parallel worlds, which you can't.
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I mean like, Demigra gradually destroying an infinite multiverse and Mechikabura absorbing an infinite multiverse.
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That wasn't my point. My point is that it is regardless Immeasurable speed. Unless you want to say that Infinite Zamasu time traveled not via speed, but that doesn't make sense.
Also Nigh-Omnipresence doesn't need him to be in every world/point in time. Just the fact that he showed in the Time Nest doesn't debunk anything. Also he did occupy multiple timelines, that's the reason why some Time Scrolls were corrupted. Infinite Zamasu was corrupted as well.
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I agree with Ottavio.
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Question, whom all would receive the immeasurable speed rating,? How many characters would be affected,?
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Pretty much Xenoverse 2 and Heroes characters
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My last question here. Is it possible to be above say "baseline immeasurable speed" or are all immeasurables equal?
Depending on how this is answered. I'll go through why I asked this.
Depending on how this is answered. I'll go through why I asked this.
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You can, I think. I'm not sure on this thought.
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This is a good point to. Being able to compress all histories and all points of time into yourself and make it a part of you, yet still being able to move normally in that messed up time space soup while it was happening would indicate immeasurable as an additional supporting point to him being a living multiverse that exists outside time and transcends time and space.
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I agree on the mechi thing, zamau could be a support too, but i disagree on the time travelling patrol.
1. Just flying and casually time travelling implies more "time travel" than "being faster than time"
2. I think the "time travel via sheer speed" should just be removed from immensurable speed, it is very specific, hard to achieve without 7 pages of context and i only know one verse to have it, eho coincidentally caused some arguments in this thread, archie solaris, and i haven't even seen the scan about it.
Not like it matters anyway, mechi alone proves it.
The demons gave the dragon ball: 2-A, 4-D passive mindhax and now might give them immensurable speed, are they really the villains?
1. Just flying and casually time travelling implies more "time travel" than "being faster than time"
2. I think the "time travel via sheer speed" should just be removed from immensurable speed, it is very specific, hard to achieve without 7 pages of context and i only know one verse to have it, eho coincidentally caused some arguments in this thread, archie solaris, and i haven't even seen the scan about it.
Not like it matters anyway, mechi alone proves it.
The demons gave the dragon ball: 2-A, 4-D passive mindhax and now might give them immensurable speed, are they really the villains?
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I mean time traveling via speed is pretty much the definition of immeasurable speed, we shouldn’t dismiss that because it’s rare. Even then it doesn’t necessarily need that much context, just them going fast enough, and ending up in a different time without aid of other abilities, or evidence it isn’t immeasurable. That is only worth a brief explanation.
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I agree with them qualifying for immeasurable. I also don't feel like immeasurable speed needs an update, let alone be removed. I haven't checked the actual staff discussions about it, but if the only reason is because people just seem to misinterpret it too much, I really don't think that's a good enough reason. If anything, that means it either needs to be explained better, or individual situations should be resolved without any wiki changes. You could also make some sort of explanation thread or page to just link to whenever necessary. And I definitely think that what comes after its removal should be decided long before it gets removed, which would also help with this thread.
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Problem is that it is very hard to actually achieve it, i mean, every single thread that i saw that brought it as a argument for immensurable speed in other verses always got rejected because "they don't treat it as speed" or "is not part of their natural speed" or something like that.
I don't see the point of having it if the only arguments that are accepted are "transcending linear time as part of your existence" or something.
Also technically the point is that you'd be time travelling all the time since moving aroun and moving throught time are the same for you, since you are disconnected from linear time, not just deciding to time travel by going fast, you arr naturally that fast, at least in the idea form of immensurable speed because i doubt any verse actually sees immensurables as we see them but that's irrelevant.
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Merging with a multiverse / destroying a multiverse aren't speed feats.
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Pending revisions, I currently agree with immeasurable speed.
However, I feel like the best course of action is to lock this thread and put emphasis on the immeasurable speed revisions.
perhaps putting "MFTL+ potentially immeasurable" on the DBH profiles might be an appropriate compromise for the time being?
However, I feel like the best course of action is to lock this thread and put emphasis on the immeasurable speed revisions.
perhaps putting "MFTL+ potentially immeasurable" on the DBH profiles might be an appropriate compromise for the time being?
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Not really. If the rating in and of itself is on the chopping block of being axed, we cant rate it as potentially anything until this is sorted out.
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That's a good point
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I suppose, but at the same time, it might not get axed and currently it is a speed rating that I (and others) think the DBH characters do qualify for.
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Actually, time traveling through speed isn't enough for immeasurable speed thanks to the Flash, who time travels in a lot of continuities with sheer speed but is regularly shown to be around FTL any other time. (FlashPoint Movie)
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Are immeasurable speed beings considered equal, or can you be above baseline immeasurable speed?
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how would you quantify different levels of immeasurable speed?
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Thats why im saying this should wait until this whole situation ends. We dont want to put an upgrade in only to go through the trouble of downgrading later.
If the speed tier stays on the site for sure, then we can upgrade at that point.
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