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Immeasurable DBX/DBH
* This will be broken in to two main points with sub categories to elaborate on them.
Mechikabura is a literal living multiverse
Guys like Vegito, Demigra and Trunks can keep up with Mechikabura in his time power unleashed form. He is a literal living multiverse that is disconnected and outside of linear time, who originates from the demon realm, a place outside time and normal physics. Even Superboy Prime as Time Trapper got immeasurable speed for being "a sentient timeline that exists outside of the flow of linear time" so given Mechikabura has both those traits but on a multiversal scale, getting immeasurable speed should be a no brainer, and it should scale to anybody relevant.
The alternate timelines are described as wisps of fog within the void of Mechikabura's body. It is also confirmed he is absorbing time itself. In the end, Mechikabura had successfully absorbed the entirety of time and history itself and nothing existed anymore. Chronoa also confirms the infinite multiverse that was part of Mechikabura had to also be sealed away, and she could not restore it, although Toki Toki created a new one.
* Note that below I am not claiming existing in a void gives a speed itself, just showcasing the point that the Demons naturally exist outside linear time and normal physics.
Demon realm exists outside the flow of time and regular physics
https://imgur.com/a/0nxM2
https://imgur.com/a/lLS0Eqb
Crack of Time exists outside the flow of linear time
Demigra thrived here for millions of years, and the time patrol can fight in here.
Time patrol fighting multiple Demon Gods
The Time Patrol fights multiple Demon Gods while inside the Demon realm where they originate from.
People keeping up with Mechikabura
This shows that relevant characters can keep up with Time Power Unleashed Mechikabura.
Time Breakers and Time Patrol exist outside the flow of time and can freely fly through it
In Xenoverse 1 and 2 the mentors, who are in Toki-Toki/Conton City, can sense you and freely fly to and from you in alternate timelines and time-frames. Several are villains and have no teleportation, and all are shown flying in and out of the battle, so the arguments of them using time patrol tech or teleportation are moot.
Here we see that because the time breakers (this includes non demons like Bardock) are disconnected/removed from time, the fight you have with them will not effect history. This implies also that you will not effect history either with your presence and are outside the normal flow of time like them, which is the case since you can enter and interact with historical DB events without changing them or making more timelines, to get rid of the time breakers and anomaly's.
Here it says the time breakers again exist outside the flow of time. This includes non demons like Bardock, and the same ability to not alter history with your presence or lack there of seems to apply to the patrollers as well who combat them. So we know such a trait exists not just for Demons, but the Time Breakers and Time Patrol in General.
The Shadow Dragons fly across time and timelines
The 7 Shadow Dragons fly across time and space to all the ages and missions in the DBH world, and are even about to enter the real world. Beat and his friends can react to them as they pass by as well. Note that Beat had not even obtained SSJG yet, and is still on their level showing even mid tier DBH characters have such feats.
The Dark Dragon Balls fly beyond time and space
The Demons such as Towa and Mechikabura can perceive and track the Dark Dragon Balls as they fly off to alternate timelines, and it is outright stated that Mechikabura's power and youth would be difficult to restore, and take time for the Dark Dragon, implying it is a huge feat for him, unlike casually dispersing the Dragon balls across time. We also know with other instances such as the Shadow Dragons flying through both time and space, the patrollers could fly alongside the Dragon Balls as they dispersed. So the flight capabilities of the Dragon Balls likely scale.
Demigra is stated to "Transcend Time and Space"
It is stated in official promotional material from Bandai that Demigra is a Demon God that "transcends time and space." This is a good substantiating statement for the various immeasurable speed feats, and the notion that they can perform these because they transcend linear space and time. Logically since the other time breakers and time patrol have similar feats, can interact with history in a similar way, and can keep up with Demigra they should scale.
Full trailer
Demigra is also stated to exist "beyond time and space" in v-jump. While some might claim this is just due to time travel, as I pointed out earlier he is also stated to exist outside time and the flow of time like the rest of the Time Breakers and Time Patrol, as well as transcending it in the above point, and would scale to those who have freely flown through time and timelines due to existing outside time, so it is unlikely that this refers to just simple time travel.
Who scales?
As for who scales to the speed upgrade, any 2-A Heroes/Xenoverse character should at least be somewhat comparable to the guys depicted in the thread, and should likely scale.
* This will be broken in to two main points with sub categories to elaborate on them.
Mechikabura is a literal living multiverse
Guys like Vegito, Demigra and Trunks can keep up with Mechikabura in his time power unleashed form. He is a literal living multiverse that is disconnected and outside of linear time, who originates from the demon realm, a place outside time and normal physics. Even Superboy Prime as Time Trapper got immeasurable speed for being "a sentient timeline that exists outside of the flow of linear time" so given Mechikabura has both those traits but on a multiversal scale, getting immeasurable speed should be a no brainer, and it should scale to anybody relevant.
The alternate timelines are described as wisps of fog within the void of Mechikabura's body. It is also confirmed he is absorbing time itself. In the end, Mechikabura had successfully absorbed the entirety of time and history itself and nothing existed anymore. Chronoa also confirms the infinite multiverse that was part of Mechikabura had to also be sealed away, and she could not restore it, although Toki Toki created a new one.
* Note that below I am not claiming existing in a void gives a speed itself, just showcasing the point that the Demons naturally exist outside linear time and normal physics.
Demon realm exists outside the flow of time and regular physics
https://imgur.com/a/0nxM2
https://imgur.com/a/lLS0Eqb
Crack of Time exists outside the flow of linear time
Demigra thrived here for millions of years, and the time patrol can fight in here.
Time patrol fighting multiple Demon Gods
The Time Patrol fights multiple Demon Gods while inside the Demon realm where they originate from.
People keeping up with Mechikabura
This shows that relevant characters can keep up with Time Power Unleashed Mechikabura.
Time Breakers and Time Patrol exist outside the flow of time and can freely fly through it
In Xenoverse 1 and 2 the mentors, who are in Toki-Toki/Conton City, can sense you and freely fly to and from you in alternate timelines and time-frames. Several are villains and have no teleportation, and all are shown flying in and out of the battle, so the arguments of them using time patrol tech or teleportation are moot.
Here we see that because the time breakers (this includes non demons like Bardock) are disconnected/removed from time, the fight you have with them will not effect history. This implies also that you will not effect history either with your presence and are outside the normal flow of time like them, which is the case since you can enter and interact with historical DB events without changing them or making more timelines, to get rid of the time breakers and anomaly's.
Here it says the time breakers again exist outside the flow of time. This includes non demons like Bardock, and the same ability to not alter history with your presence or lack there of seems to apply to the patrollers as well who combat them. So we know such a trait exists not just for Demons, but the Time Breakers and Time Patrol in General.
The Shadow Dragons fly across time and timelines
The 7 Shadow Dragons fly across time and space to all the ages and missions in the DBH world, and are even about to enter the real world. Beat and his friends can react to them as they pass by as well. Note that Beat had not even obtained SSJG yet, and is still on their level showing even mid tier DBH characters have such feats.
The Dark Dragon Balls fly beyond time and space
The Demons such as Towa and Mechikabura can perceive and track the Dark Dragon Balls as they fly off to alternate timelines, and it is outright stated that Mechikabura's power and youth would be difficult to restore, and take time for the Dark Dragon, implying it is a huge feat for him, unlike casually dispersing the Dragon balls across time. We also know with other instances such as the Shadow Dragons flying through both time and space, the patrollers could fly alongside the Dragon Balls as they dispersed. So the flight capabilities of the Dragon Balls likely scale.
Demigra is stated to "Transcend Time and Space"
It is stated in official promotional material from Bandai that Demigra is a Demon God that "transcends time and space." This is a good substantiating statement for the various immeasurable speed feats, and the notion that they can perform these because they transcend linear space and time. Logically since the other time breakers and time patrol have similar feats, can interact with history in a similar way, and can keep up with Demigra they should scale.
Full trailer
Demigra is also stated to exist "beyond time and space" in v-jump. While some might claim this is just due to time travel, as I pointed out earlier he is also stated to exist outside time and the flow of time like the rest of the Time Breakers and Time Patrol, as well as transcending it in the above point, and would scale to those who have freely flown through time and timelines due to existing outside time, so it is unlikely that this refers to just simple time travel.
Who scales?
As for who scales to the speed upgrade, any 2-A Heroes/Xenoverse character should at least be somewhat comparable to the guys depicted in the thread, and should likely scale.
