Did Superman just... (Spoilers for Justice League 25)

[SuperAPM]

To be fair Supe's has his Super senses which can apparantly home in on something from 25 Light Years away somehow. Tho I agree this feat should go under the "Hyperbole" category for him.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I mean, that's not new. In Post-Crisis he heard Green Lantern whisper his name in another solar system while he was trying to sleep and smelled brownies in North Dakota while on the moon. His senses have always been extreme.

 

[Firestorm808]

Vega feat? 25 Light years = 2.271e+17 meters

4.456456304e+43 Joules High 4-C

 

[SuperAPM]

What are you attributing that value to, his hearing?

 

[Firestorm808]

Yes.

 

[SuperAPM]

Damn, I would not expect something that absurd from just hearing

 

[SuperAPM]

Quick, somebody find the furthest distance Supe's has ever heared to

 

[Firestorm808]

I'll probably make a table ragarding size and magnitude.

 

[SuperAPM]

Neat

 

[Qawsedf234]

Where are you getting those numbers from? How is hearing something a High 4-C thing?

 

[Firestorm808]

It's in regard to my earlier calc in the thread based on magnitude of a quake and volume affected.

 

[Corgi_the_Gen_Z_God]

@Ant
I'm unsure. I read that as World Forger saying he can't exist in the normal universe, therefore he's creating a new one in the Sixth Dimension where he can exist just fine. The fact that he's joining the Justice League and presumably going to the normal universe supports the avatar idea though. I think it would be easiest to just wait for a few more issues and adjust both World Forger and Superman accordingly, if needed.

@Violet

They've been that way for a little while now.

Didn't notice, but since the New 52 JLA is 4-B, can we have Maxwell be 4-B too since he uses the suits from the New 52 JLA?

 

[Antvasima]

@VV

I suppose so.

 

[Corgi_the_Gen_Z_God]

Thank you.

 

[Antvasima]

No problem. Feel free to update the page.

 

[AKM sama]

I'm not sure how hearing something from far away could be converted into Star level AP, and we shouldn't use it as an AP feat anyway. It's just the demonstration of his super senses, not AP.

I'm still unsure about the supposedly universal feat due to the reasons I pointed out above. I'll ask Matt to comment here tho.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

It means that he could be sensing things that far away shaking.

 

[Antvasima]

@AKM

If you wish, we could remove the Low 2-C statistics until we know more, along with adding a footnote explanation about that we do not know if it was due to raw power or destroying the Crisis Anvil.

 

[Antvasima]

Also, somebody should update the Maxwell profile statistics that scale from the Justice League.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

.... I have a lot of questions:

• Wouldn't thr feat of overpowering or even knocking down the World Forger be utilized ... Since there isn't much evidence (to my knowledge) that he's weaker ?
• Would this effect the other two (Superboy and Wally West) seen in the pic for the punch... Or are those apparition used for motivational purposes

 

[AKM sama]

Personally, I would've waited a while before changing any statistics as I'm hearing Supes is about to defeat Doctor Manhattan.

Anyway, what's done is done, don't revert them just yet. I'd wait for more knowledgeable members (Matt, Kep, Sandman, TheC2, MrKing) to comment before reverting/changing the statistics further.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I agree with AKM Sama with waiting for other knowledgable members... Before doing anything else. Because if he ends up fighting Manhattan it would allow him to likely have a new key for this state.

The reason I asked is because the Forger shouldn't have been knocked down by any attack that wasn't in his realm of AP... Regardless of it being only 'destroying a planet'... Even if he was surprised.

 

[Antvasima]

@AKM

Yes, somebody should ask the following members for help: Kepekley23, Sandman31, Matthew Schroeder, TheC2, Crimson Azoth, Eficiente, Huesito88, PrinceOfTheMorning, MrKingOfNegativity, Yobo Blue.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Apparitions used for motivational purposes.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I thought so... Still wondering on the first bullet though.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

He mentioned something about a multiverse being destroyed, so...

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

... '''Oh'''. Is there a scan you can get for that ?

 

[PrinceOfTheMorning]

I think the original justification given by Ant is sound from my reading of the issue, but I'm neutral if you all decide to change it. Keep in mind that we only added this amp to the profile so it wouldn't turn into a recurring issue. And now there's a big debate over it lol

 

[SuperAPM]

I know the way the comic presents this feat is weird, but that isn't the rest of the Universe in that panel

Looking at the top panel here https://i.imgur.com/ZUKivZ8.jpg You can see shards of Spacetime floating around which contain numerous Planets and Stars within them. The panel with Earth in it is another one of these shards, you can even see the cut off point of that piece of Spacetime (it looks a lot like broken glass) on the top of said panel.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, the universe was clearly destroyed. The question is if Superman did it via raw power, or if it was a result of destroying the Crisis Anvil.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Would the last thing make him 2-A?

 

[SuperAPM]

Sorry, I was responding to the few who weren't fully convinced.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

@Procrastinate That last part is interesting... I'm not sure what to say about it.

I'm going to ask again ... So shouldn't knocking down the World Forger be considered an upgradable feat... Even if he destroyed the universe via attacking the Anvil ? I'm sorry if this is sounding repetitive... But there isn't anything suggesting the Forger is weaker, and due to the high tier Forger has he shouldn't be downed by anyhing lower than his tier...

 

[SuperAPM]

The God Of Procrastinatio

I think the scan you're looking for is this one

[1]

 

[SuperAPM]

Jesus christ I did not mean for it to be that big........phrasing

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

@Super are they referring to the universe he just made that Superman just destroyed ... Or is this another occurence ?

 

[SuperAPM]

I'm not sure to be honest, I just assumed this was the page Procrastination was referring to

 

[AKM sama]

If the Earth is contained in the shard, that would mean Supes didn't destroy the matter of the universe. Only its space-time.

3-A = Destruction of physical matter

Low 2-C = Destruction of physical matter + space-time

If only the space-time has been destroyed and not the physical matter, wouldn't this count as some space-time manipulation or an unquantifiable feat?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Can anyone answer my question please ? Because it's the same Forger regardless.. Same role in creation and everything else.There was nothing in comic to suggest he was weaker... Only speculation as far as I am aware. Shouldn't we assume the Forger is equal to the original one until the comics explicitly state otherwise ?

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

What tier is destroying just all of space, leaving time in tact?