DC Comics - Post-Crisis Superman Early Key Proposal

[Antvasima]

I agree. We can basically copy the Post-Absorption Tier from SM to Doomsday.

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Doomsday (Post-Crisis)

Doomsday was created on prehistoric Krypton thousands of years ago by a scientist named Bertron as a bio-mechanical super-soldier and living weapon of mass destruction. This process involved Bertron cross-breeding the artificial birth of a Kryptonian hybrid, left to fend for itself in the...

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[KLOL506]

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Superhuman Physical Characteristics is supposed to be at the top, there's no need to use commas at the end of powers in a bullet list, I'd put the physical-based abilities first (Like Enhanced Senses, Acrobatics, Martial Arts, Super Breath, Limited Sound Manip via voice and voice tuning, that sort of thing), then I'd put in the supernatural powers like Heat Vision, Spatial Manipulation, Portal Creation) etc.

 

[Antvasima]

@Antvasima Should abilities without scans be removed right now?

If they are newly added abilities and do not have any issue references either, that may be necessary, yes. What do the rest of you think?

 

[Antvasima]

Alright, I backed up the current changes, and I reset the profile to when Ant first unlocked it.

Now, we need to re-settle all formatting issues.

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It looks pretty good to me except for the coding error in the posts and abilities section, but I only had the time to take a brief look. What do the rest of you think?

 

[Firestorm808]

Some of them fall under self-evident

 

[Firestorm808]

It looks pretty good to me except for the coding error in the posts and abilities section, but I only had the time to take a brief look. What do the rest of you think?

That's just temporary to make edits easier.

 

[Antvasima]

Some of them fall under self-evident

Okay. They should probably be fine to keep then.

That's just temporary to make edits easier.

Okay. Noted.

 

[Firestorm808]

Superhuman Physical Characteristics is supposed to be at the top, there's no need to use commas at the end of powers in a bullet list, I'd put the physical-based abilities first (Like Enhanced Senses, Acrobatics, Martial Arts, Super Breath, Limited Sound Manip via voice and voice tuning, that sort of thing), then I'd put in the supernatural powers like Heat Vision, Spatial Manipulation, Portal Creation) etc.

Can this suggestion be added to the Profile Standards page down the line for future reference.

 

[KLOL506]

Can this suggestion be added to the Profile Standards page down the line for future reference.

Sure, though I can't edit in stuff into locked pages, I'm not a content mod. It'd also be preferable to see what others think about this suggestion.

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

What are the scans that haven't been sourced? I can look through them and find citations for some of them.

 

[Firestorm808]

What are the scans that haven't been sourced? I can look through them and find citations for some of them.

Pre-Death scans:

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https://imgur.com/TABg0cY

https://imgur.com/usqCDGs

https://imgur.com/a/XQj4rhj

https://imgur.com/IN4EV9V

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Oh yeah I have the Sources for like, almost all of those. I'll post them in an hour or two.

 

[Firestorm808]

Oh yeah I have the Sources for like, almost all of those. I'll post them in an hour or two.

Thank you.

 

[LordTracer]

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So my thoughts:
Paragraph format with bolded abilities would be better for both keys

For Post-CoIE, they should be listed in an order like this:

Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Martial Arts, Weapon Mastery, Acrobatics, Stellar Radiation Absorption and Empowerment, Enhanced Senses, Information Analysis, Flight, Heat Vision, Non-Physical Interaction, Limited Power Nullification, Super Breath & Ice Breath, and then everything else

This way, all the powers related to each other (like his NPI and heat vision) are grouped together instead of being spread all over the place.

Genius Intelligence needs to go for this key. There’s no scans for it, and simply being “capable with alien technology” shouldn’t be worth a Genius rating on its own.

Also “should be able to replicate Supergirl's sonic scream” should be removed for this key, since there’s just no reason for it to be there, and Supergirl wasn’t even in the continuity during this era.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you to everybody who are helping out here.

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Pre-Death scans:

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Supergirl #13. Though as Tracer said, this might not apply to Pre-Death.

The Weird #2. Off-topic, but it's from a very good run that I'd recommend reading.

Superman: The Earth Stealers

Action Comics #656. He's has some other good ability/resistance stuff during this arc, that should probably be added to his page if it's not already.

Action Comics Annual #3

The Man of Steel #3

https://imgur.com/IN4EV9V

Adventures of Superman Annual #1

This leaves two, which I'll try to find later.

 

[Firestorm808]

Thanks for the help. I'll post the other scans for sourcing when available.

 

[Antvasima]

For the record, I agree about that The Weird was an excellent miniseries, easily Jim Starlin's best work by my preferences, and his only story that I currently still consider to have made a positive contribution to human consciousness, given its strong focus on freedom and genuine morality, rather than the power-mad social-Darwinian existentialistic viewpoints and bullheaded inconsiderate steamroller storytelling style that Starlin has usually employed.

 

[Firestorm808]

Self evident or needs scan?

• Abilities
  • Superhuman Physical Characteristics
  • Stellar Radiation Absorption and Empowerment
  • Afterimage Creation
  • Super Breath
  • Flight
  • Genius Intelligence (Capable with alien technology)
• Resistance
  • Heat Vision
  • Ice Breath
  • Energy Manipulation
  • Ice Manipulation
  • Existence Erasure (Can withstand Darkseid's Omega Beams)

Sourcing

Abilities

• Electricity Manipulation (Unaffected by high levels of electricity)
• Acid Manipulation (unaffected by having liquid acid dumped on him),
• Limited Air Manipulation (Can generate and cancel tornadoes; Can draw air out of an area by creating updrafts),
• Limited Electricity Manipulation (Can generate enormous amounts of static electricity),
• Limited Intangibility and Invisibility (turn invisible via vibrating),
• Absorption of Electromagnetic Energy (Getting shocked recharged his strength), and other types of Energy,
• Body Control (Can control autonomous body functions, allowing him to fool sensors),
• Illusion Creation (Torquasm Vo can create illusions to provide a distraction)
• Purification (Type 3; Can utilise the life-force of the universe to cleanse and purify the form and spirit when using Torquasm-Rao and Torquasm-Vo),
• Regeneration (Mid-Low for combat applications, High-Low over time. Low-Mid. (Could fight after both getting his blood turned into Kryptonite, and being impaled by a Kryptonite sword, with the wound quickly healing after the sword's removal))
• Statistics Amplification (Can temporarily increase his powers by immersing himself within a yellow star. Under a blue sun his powers are boosted and he gains the ability to imbue others with his powers),

Resistances

• Soul Manipulation,
• Mind Manipulation (Through Torquasm-Vo, a Kryptonian mental technique, Superman can access his own inner consciousness and astral plane to build up psychic blocks and fight off telepathic attacks),
• Illusions,
• Power Absorption (Resisted the Hollow Men from taking away his powers and energy),
• Transmutation (Resisted several magical attempts of being transmuted into salt[69]),
• Fear Manipulation (resisted a crystal that brings out the primal fear within someone),
• Radiation Manipulation (Regularly absorbs nuclear energy and higher-than-usual amounts of red solar energy, all of which contain high levels of radioactivity),
• Matter Manipulation (Survived sub-atomic destruction),
• Time Slow (Countered a temporal modulation field slowing him down),
• Time Stop (Broke out of full chrono-suspension),
• Possession (Neron couldn't possess him),
• Death Manipulation (Overcame death inducement and prevented his heart from being stopped),
• Deconstruction (Was unaffected by a disintegration beam),
• Corruption and Biological Manipulation (Overcame Skyhook's corrupting power),
• Limited resistance to Paralysis Inducement (With enough sunlight, Superman resisted paralysis beams)

 

[Firestorm808]

Updated my recent post.

 

[LordTracer]

• Afterimage Creation

• Heat Vision
• Ice Breath
• Energy Manipulation
• Ice Manipulation
• Existence Erasure (Can withstand Darkseid's Omega Beams)

These should have scans.

Genius Intelligence (Capable with alien technology)

And this shouldn’t be on the profile, as I said before.

 

[MattSatire]

Good to know for this upgrade man.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Energy manipulation isn't something really useful and its something almost every energy projection user has, so no need to waste time finding scans of it

[[Temperature Manipulation|Heat]] [[Energy Projection|Vision]] (Under a red sun, his heat vision can power an engine that moves planets<ref>Superman Vol 2 #167</ref>)

 

[Firestorm808]

Energy manipulation isn't something really useful and its something almost every energy projection user has, so no need to waste time finding scans of it

[[Temperature Manipulation|Heat]] [[Energy Projection|Vision]] (Under a red sun, his heat vision can power an engine that moves planets<ref>Superman Vol 2 #167</ref>)

Did you link the right image?

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Did you link the right image?

Fixed

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Self evident or needs scan?

• Abilities
  • Superhuman Physical Characteristics
  • Stellar Radiation Absorption and Empowerment

These are obvious, as is flight.

• Afterimage Creation

Could just just use him making afterimages vs DD Rex

• Existence Erasure (Can withstand Darkseid's Omega Beams)

For surviving the Omega Beams, The New Gods #10 and Adventures of Superman #595 are probably the most obvious examples of surviving the Omega Beams. The scans have to be hosted on Imgur though.

• Limited Air Manipulation (Can generate and cancel tornadoes; Can draw air out of an area by creating updrafts),

The first scan seems to be a redraw of this scan from Wonder Woman #219, second scan is from Superman: The Man of Steel #57, and the third scan is Superman #225.

• Limited Electricity Manipulation (Can generate enormous amounts of static electricity),

Same issue as where he holds the mini Black Hole, JLA #77.

• Limited Intangibility and Invisibility (turn invisible via vibrating),

Superman: The Man of Steel #110

• Absorption of Electromagnetic Energy (Getting shocked recharged his strength), and other types of Energy,

JLA #42

• Body Control (Can control autonomous body functions, allowing him to fool sensors),

Action Comics #728

• Illusion Creation (Torquasm Vo can create illusions to provide a distraction)

Superman: The Man of Steel #114

• Purification (Type 3; Can utilise the life-force of the universe to cleanse and purify the form and spirit when using Torquasm-Rao and Torquasm-Vo),

Adventures of Superman #581

• Regeneration (Mid-Low for combat applications, High-Low over time. Low-Mid. (Could fight after both getting his blood turned into Kryptonite, and being impaled by a Kryptonite sword, with the wound quickly healing after the sword's removal))

Not sure for the first scan, but the second one is Wonder Woman #219, the third one is Action Comics #818, and the fourth one is
Superman/Batman #18.

• Statistics Amplification (Can temporarily increase his powers by immersing himself within a yellow star. Under a blue sun his powers are boosted and he gains the ability to imbue others with his powers),

This one needs scans, but the comics where the events happen are are Action Comics #855, 856, and 857.

Resistances

• Soul Manipulation,

This doesn't have scans in the first place, but Superman has survived soul-targeting attacks from Etrigan (Superman #587) and overcame the Hollow Men draining his soul/hope with help from Lois (Adventures of Superman #616).

• Mind Manipulation (Through Torquasm-Vo, a Kryptonian mental technique, Superman can access his own inner consciousness and astral plane to build up psychic blocks and fight off telepathic attacks),

Is probably referring to Adventures of Superman #585 where he forsakes physical force to block illusions.

• Illusions,

Probably just goes with the Torquasm Vo stuff.

• Power Absorption (Resisted the Hollow Men from taking away his powers and energy),

As mentioned before, the comic is Adventures of Superman #585.

• Transmutation (Resisted several magical attempts of being transmuted into salt[69]),

Action Comics #819

• Fear Manipulation (resisted a crystal that brings out the primal fear within someone),

Superman/Batman #37

• Matter Manipulation (Survived sub-atomic destruction),

Superman (1987) #224

• Time Slow (Countered a temporal modulation field slowing him down),

Superman: The Man of Steel #29

• Time Stop (Broke out of full chrono-suspension),

Superman #663

• Possession (Neron couldn't possess him),

Day of Judgement #5

• Death Manipulation (Overcame death inducement and prevented his heart from being stopped),

Where is Thy Sting and Adventures of Superman Annual #1

• Deconstruction (Was unaffected by a disintegration beam),

Superman: The Man of Steel #30

• Corruption and Biological Manipulation (Overcame Skyhook's corrupting power),

Superman #47

• Limited resistance to Paralysis Inducement (With enough sunlight, Superman resisted paralysis beams)

Superman: The Man of Steel #50

There's a few scans left uncited and some other stuff that needs scans/justifications, but this covers the bulk of stuff.

 

[AerrowStorm1]

Action Comics #757

Not sure for the first scan, but the second one is Wonder Woman #219, the third one is Action Comics #818, and the fourth one is
Superman/Batman #18.

Action Comics #757

 

[Firestorm808]

These are obvious, as is flight.

Could just just use him making afterimages vs DD Rex

For surviving the Omega Beams, The New Gods #10 and Adventures of Superman #595 are probably the most obvious examples of surviving the Omega Beams. The scans have to be hosted on Imgur though.

The first scan seems to be a redraw of this scan from Wonder Woman #219, second scan is from Superman: The Man of Steel #57, and the third scan is Superman #225.

Same issue as where he holds the mini Black Hole, JLA #77.

Superman: The Man of Steel #110

JLA #42

Action Comics #728

Superman: The Man of Steel #114

Adventures of Superman #581

Not sure for the first scan, but the second one is Wonder Woman #219, the third one is Action Comics #818, and the fourth one is
Superman/Batman #18.

This one needs scans, but the comics where the events happen are are Action Comics #855, 856, and 857.

This doesn't have scans in the first place, but Superman has survived soul-targeting attacks from Etrigan (Superman #587) and overcame the Hollow Men draining his soul/hope with help from Lois (Adventures of Superman #616).

Is probably referring to Adventures of Superman #585 where he forsakes physical force to block illusions.

Probably just goes with the Torquasm Vo stuff.

As mentioned before, the comic is Adventures of Superman #585.

Action Comics #819

Superman/Batman #37

Superman (1987) #224

Superman: The Man of Steel #29


Superman #663

Day of Judgement #5

Where is Thy Sting and Adventures of Superman Annual #1

Superman: The Man of Steel #30

Superman #47

Superman: The Man of Steel #50

There's a few scans left uncited and some other stuff that needs scans/justifications, but this covers the bulk of stuff.

Thanks!

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you very much for helping out, Firestorm808 and Ehnkr2beboh.

Btw: I also don't think that early Post-Crisis Superman had Genius level intelligence. He seemed more Gifted level to me.

Late Post-Crisis Superman seemed to have reasonably superhuman (Extraordinary Genius) level intelligence though, but I do not remember so well.

 

[Antvasima]

Also, please tell us when you have finished updating the relevant Superman blog, Firestorm808.

 

[Firestorm808]

Will do.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

After we're done with this, can we kill 4-B DC? Cause tbf, the two feats we have from that tier are super shaky and unreliable

 

[LordTracer]

That’s not really a topic for this thread.

 

[Firestorm808]

After we're done with this, can we kill 4-B DC? Cause tbf, the two feats we have from that tier are super shaky and unreliable

Yes, we can look into the matter in the next thread.

 

[Antvasima]

Also, please tell us when you have finished updating the relevant Superman blog, Firestorm808.

Will do.

Have you had the time to handle this already?

 

[Firestorm808]

Sorry, been busy with work lately. Should have time to update it later today.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem and thank you for helping out.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

I made the Doomsday rework CRT

 

[Firestorm808]

Have you had the time to handle this already?

Updated.