Palito266
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Hello everyone, it is me again back with another thread to argue a lot of hax's in favor of DMC, and to give you some more context into things that haven't been seen yet...
Without further a do, let's begin.
- 1) Resistance to Probability Manipulation and Death Manipulation: (For Dante) The Poker's demon ability is to curse someone into having incredible luck in probability-based games, however, they become engrained with a sick sense of wanting to play more and more. This effect goes as far as changing reality, because we see the numbers of cards getting warped. When the main user of this effect loses in a game of chance, they instantly die without a seemingly physical cause, this also happens to the ones the main user is playing against if they happen to lose.
However, Dante is unable to be cursed, possessed and seems unaffected by this hax's in multiple ocassions. First one we see is Dante stopping Patty (whom got possessed) when they were playing a game of "who dies first", and Dante stopped Patty. The second occassion we see is Lady shooting Dante near the heart when he's supposed to have incredible luck, which means Dante negated the effects the luck had over him at that moment. We even see Dante explaining he had to let himself be posessed IN THE GAME to win. Moreover, when Dante loses to Lady, he doesn't outright die, he just pretends he's dead. Lastly, in Novel 2 he's stated to be immune to possession even as a child, so it's very clear he's immune to these possessions and it's effects, but only used them for his own advantage.
- 2) Memories, Mind, Dreams and The Unconscious. A Metaphysical View in DMC: Dreams, Memories and the Mind all share the same Metaphysical nature in DMC, but first, let's take a look into each individual's nature, starting by Dreams.
Firstly, we have to understand that Sargasso's exist in dreams, and in this state they're said to be "transcendental" and cannot be attacked, therefore, we could say the dreams are trascendental to reality itself (this doesn't give anything important yet), these dreams/nightmares have no form, being something more "abstract" rather than anything at all, and they're literally stated to be dreams because, well, dreams can't kill people. and coexist with memories in the same realm.
Now, other unconscious aspects such as memories are stated to be metaphysical, which goes well with the whole "dreams are transcendental" thing.
Finally, dreams and memories coexist with memories in the same realm. (because we see a young version of Vergil, whom is clearly not supposed to be a dream, but more-so a repressed thought or record of the events that happened to Vergil) With all of this, we might add that unconscious aspects like desires are capable of changing reality, like how Credo envisioned his death to be, how demons mutate their physical form. It can also be said to be the source of power of the verse from where all da demon juice comes from.
Therefore, we can conclude that the unconscious such as Dreams, Memories and Strong Emotions have an impact on reality and are abstract while being transcendent to it, kinda like a concept but i wouldn't say it's the same thing entirely... At least not in this wiki.
- 3) Resistance to Morality Manipulation: (For Hybrids) This is only an addition to something that is already in the profile, but, the Chimera Seed is able to make a demon way more aggresive and in the Demon Physiology page it is already accepted they resist this attempt of takeover by the Chimera Seed, therefore, they should also get Resistance to Morality Hax
- 4) Resistance to Vector Manipulation: (For Hybrids) As mentioned by Nero, after the Mitis Forest was contaminated with demonic energy the mapping of the forest changed along with the fact that no matter where you go, you will always end up going where you started, the forest can distort its victims. Dante has shown to easily get past the forest in the novel as well as Nero, so they should safely apply for a Resistance to this hax.
- 5) Intelligence Upgrade: (For Demons and Hybrids) Fairly straightfoward, it is stated that demons (ones that show some form of capability for thought) are smarter than humans from the HW, therefore, they should get Above Average Intelligence at the very least.
- 6) Plant Manipulation and Curse Manipulation: (For DW) This is fairly simple and straightfoward. The DW has the ability to make crops highly unstable and make them grow when they're not supposed to. Alongside this, it can also curse doors, sealing them in the process.
- 7) Increased Empathic Manipulation: (For Mid-Tier Demons) As a mid-tier demon, the Beastheads was able to induce despair into Beryl, whom is able to resist the presence of normal demons that cause despair, madness and fear.
- 8) Resistance to Increased Death Manipulation: (For Mid-Tier Demons) The demon generals of the alternate universe were able to withstand a fight against the armada of Mundus, which could instantly cause death with the stroke of his sword and some only suffering minor injuries.
- 9) Increased Empathic Manipulation and Fear Manipulation: (For High-Tier Hybrids) Chen and Dante in their battle caused inanimate and unconscious objects to feel real fear all throughout the building. Vergil was able to make Sanctus instinctively feel fear. Therefore, they were able to induce fear within an unconscious level.
For now that should be all for my part, this should put DMC in a good position (but not as good as it was with PoC), good night everybody.
Without further a do, let's begin.
- 1) Resistance to Probability Manipulation and Death Manipulation: (For Dante) The Poker's demon ability is to curse someone into having incredible luck in probability-based games, however, they become engrained with a sick sense of wanting to play more and more. This effect goes as far as changing reality, because we see the numbers of cards getting warped. When the main user of this effect loses in a game of chance, they instantly die without a seemingly physical cause, this also happens to the ones the main user is playing against if they happen to lose.
However, Dante is unable to be cursed, possessed and seems unaffected by this hax's in multiple ocassions. First one we see is Dante stopping Patty (whom got possessed) when they were playing a game of "who dies first", and Dante stopped Patty. The second occassion we see is Lady shooting Dante near the heart when he's supposed to have incredible luck, which means Dante negated the effects the luck had over him at that moment. We even see Dante explaining he had to let himself be posessed IN THE GAME to win. Moreover, when Dante loses to Lady, he doesn't outright die, he just pretends he's dead. Lastly, in Novel 2 he's stated to be immune to possession even as a child, so it's very clear he's immune to these possessions and it's effects, but only used them for his own advantage.
- 2) Memories, Mind, Dreams and The Unconscious. A Metaphysical View in DMC: Dreams, Memories and the Mind all share the same Metaphysical nature in DMC, but first, let's take a look into each individual's nature, starting by Dreams.
Firstly, we have to understand that Sargasso's exist in dreams, and in this state they're said to be "transcendental" and cannot be attacked, therefore, we could say the dreams are trascendental to reality itself (this doesn't give anything important yet), these dreams/nightmares have no form, being something more "abstract" rather than anything at all, and they're literally stated to be dreams because, well, dreams can't kill people. and coexist with memories in the same realm.
Now, other unconscious aspects such as memories are stated to be metaphysical, which goes well with the whole "dreams are transcendental" thing.
Finally, dreams and memories coexist with memories in the same realm. (because we see a young version of Vergil, whom is clearly not supposed to be a dream, but more-so a repressed thought or record of the events that happened to Vergil) With all of this, we might add that unconscious aspects like desires are capable of changing reality, like how Credo envisioned his death to be, how demons mutate their physical form. It can also be said to be the source of power of the verse from where all da demon juice comes from.
Therefore, we can conclude that the unconscious such as Dreams, Memories and Strong Emotions have an impact on reality and are abstract while being transcendent to it, kinda like a concept but i wouldn't say it's the same thing entirely... At least not in this wiki.
- 3) Resistance to Morality Manipulation: (For Hybrids) This is only an addition to something that is already in the profile, but, the Chimera Seed is able to make a demon way more aggresive and in the Demon Physiology page it is already accepted they resist this attempt of takeover by the Chimera Seed, therefore, they should also get Resistance to Morality Hax
- 4) Resistance to Vector Manipulation: (For Hybrids) As mentioned by Nero, after the Mitis Forest was contaminated with demonic energy the mapping of the forest changed along with the fact that no matter where you go, you will always end up going where you started, the forest can distort its victims. Dante has shown to easily get past the forest in the novel as well as Nero, so they should safely apply for a Resistance to this hax.
- 5) Intelligence Upgrade: (For Demons and Hybrids) Fairly straightfoward, it is stated that demons (ones that show some form of capability for thought) are smarter than humans from the HW, therefore, they should get Above Average Intelligence at the very least.
- 6) Plant Manipulation and Curse Manipulation: (For DW) This is fairly simple and straightfoward. The DW has the ability to make crops highly unstable and make them grow when they're not supposed to. Alongside this, it can also curse doors, sealing them in the process.
- 7) Increased Empathic Manipulation: (For Mid-Tier Demons) As a mid-tier demon, the Beastheads was able to induce despair into Beryl, whom is able to resist the presence of normal demons that cause despair, madness and fear.
- 8) Resistance to Increased Death Manipulation: (For Mid-Tier Demons) The demon generals of the alternate universe were able to withstand a fight against the armada of Mundus, which could instantly cause death with the stroke of his sword and some only suffering minor injuries.
- 9) Increased Empathic Manipulation and Fear Manipulation: (For High-Tier Hybrids) Chen and Dante in their battle caused inanimate and unconscious objects to feel real fear all throughout the building. Vergil was able to make Sanctus instinctively feel fear. Therefore, they were able to induce fear within an unconscious level.
For now that should be all for my part, this should put DMC in a good position (but not as good as it was with PoC), good night everybody.
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