Devil May Cry Discussion Thread 9

[PrettyFearMachine]

>You guys do realise that nobody actually "shook" the world?

Yes, so what? Urizen is stated to be capable of that, so it should pass.

>The same Nico who said in her report that lusachia has potential to oneshot Nero?

Uh, what? I do not remember that... And are we really questioning Nico's reports again? I thought we got over that.

>And since when statements are actual proofs?

Since we got past 2016.

 

[Camilopezo]

I explained this as best I could earlier, but I'll go over it again for clarity of the 6-B rating.
-Qliphoth moving has KE in the 6-C range

-Fruit > Tree according to Trish, as only kings of Hell (Mundus and Urizen) can enter where the fruit is

-After consuming the fruit, Urizen shook the planet, which is 6-B at high end

-Dante after absorbing both Sparda and Rebellion > Urizen and = Vergil

I do not doubt the level of Urizen, what I mean is that the profiles of Dante and Vergil are full of tautologies.

They basically say that Dante is low 6-B because scales Vergil while Vergil is low 6-b because scales Dante.

They should add the Urizen's feat and not just use a tautological power scaling.

 

[Ogbunabali]

"At least Small Country level (Absorbed both Sparda and Rebellion into his body, capable of defeating Urizen even after he ate the Qliphoth's Fruit, comparable to Vergil)"

They do say that.

The reason Urizen's profile isn't linked, again, is because his profile is yet to be made, because we lack renders. And Vergil is stronger than his Urizen counterpart, which makes him > Low 6-B Urizen, and Dante scales to that. And vice versa, because they are equal in strength.

 

[Camilopezo]

"At least Small Country level (Absorbed both Sparda and Rebellion into his body, capable of defeating Urizen even after he ate the Qliphoth's Fruit, comparable to Vergil)"They do say that.
The reason Urizen's profile isn't linked, again, is because his profile is yet to be made, because we lack renders.

The problem is that in none of the two pages mention the feat of Urizen. So power scaling is still a tautology.

It does not matter that they do not create a page for Urizen, the important thing is that they mention how to beat Urizen, makes you Low 6-B.

 

[Ogbunabali]

I literally linked you that it says that.... And bolded the part that does.

 

[Camilopezo]

I literally linked you that it says that....
And bolded the part that does.

What part of the page says that Urizen could shake the world?


It only says he is stronger than Urizen, but he never mentions what Urizen can do.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Urizen's feat = shacking world = Low 6-B.

Dante > Urizen = Dante is stronger than Urizen = Dante is Low 6-B.

 

[Camilopezo]

Urizen's feat = shacking world = Low 6-B.
Dante > Urizen = Dante is stronger than Urizen = Dante is Low 6-B.

But that's never mentioned on the page.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Jesus, we're just going around in circles.

Yes because that's on the Urizen profile that hasn't been made yet. Just wait a little and it will link to that profile that says that specific thing.

 

[Camilopezo]

Jesus, we're just going around in circles.
Yes because that's on the Urizen profile that hasn't been made yet. Just wait a little and it will link to that profile that says that specific thing.

While Urizen's profile does not exist, they should edit so that it does not sound so tautological.

Imagine someone coming to investigate and read Dante's profile and then Virgil's profile.

He will be confused and think that the low 6-b came out of nowhere.


Example:

Guy: Apparently this guy named Dante has this tier because scales Vergil , I'll go see Vergil profile

Guy: Apparently this guy named Vergil has this tier because scales Dante. Wait, what?

 

[Ogbunabali]

Just wait a little and it will link to that profile that says that specific thing.

 

[MaximusGladiatus]

>You guys do realise that nobody actually "shook" the world?
Yes, so what? Urizen is stated to be capable of that, so it should pass.

>The same Nico who said in her report that lusachia has potential to oneshot Nero?

Uh, what? I do not remember that... And are we really questioning Nico's reports again? I thought we got over that.

>And since when statements are actual proofs?

Since we got past 2016.

Uggh. So some random Nico knows what Urizen is capable of ? Especially that shaking the world thing. Stamenets never should be considered a proof since i can say that i am smarter than Einstein. But you know without actual proofs my stamenet is pretty useless. And, as you already said, then we should also consider that lusachia oneshots pre DT Nero, am i right (and therefore, in potential, pre awakening DT Dante with Sparda)? Since that is a statement too.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

>So some random Nico knows what Urizen is capable of ?

The statement is oddly specific for somebody who's not supposed to know anything about something. And it's clear that her reports are just glorified files, which were a thing in previous games.

>Stamenets never should be considered a proof since i can say that i am smarter than Einstein. But you know without actual proofs my stamenet is pretty useless.

I'm gonna say 2 words I hate the most but that describe this quite well. False equivalence. And a blatant one at that. Statements in general are always considered proof, as long as they come from a reliable source.

>lusachia oneshots pre DT Nero

Again, link me the actual statement. I don't remember that at all.

 

[Ogbunabali]

He's talking about this.

"Sure was interesting dissectin' this demon. This thing bears out my theory on demon evolution. Can't do magic incantations without a mouth, right? So after a few generations of demons obsessed with arcane chants, you get something that's all mouths, with its muscles so atrophied it can hardly move its limbs. And more mouths means more power. My guess is this thing could kill you dead with a single spell if you let it get the chant out. If you see it startin' something real ominous- looking, you'd better shut it down real quick."

 

[ZERO7772]

The profiles are lackluster because we don't have a profile for Urizen. Dante is low 6-B because he scale to Vergil and Vergil scales to Dante so he's low 6-B. We should just get a profile for Urizen done and add said statement about him being able to shook the planet and we should be fine.

Adding Urizen and V to Vergil profile would make the profile a f*cking mess. Beside, they deserve their own profiles

 

[Ogbunabali]

I have profiles for Urizen and V in my sandbox, but again we don't have renders.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

>My guess

And even then, that looks more like Death Manipulation, since it's a spell.

 

[ZERO7772]

Nico's words are the words of the author and god of DMC. Clearly, Capcom simply used "Nico's reports" to get their point across to the players. There is something called Author Intent guys, you can't pull this "Nico is not trusted worthy source" just because you don't buy what is written in the actual characters in-game profiles

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I guess Sparda is comparable to Sin DT Dante then?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

She doesnt know how strong Sparda is,plus Dante was said he surpassed him in dmc2

 

[Ogbunabali]

I remember something about Dante's skill surpassing that of his father but where was it stated exactly that he surpasses Sparda?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

But then again we have what Zero said, wich one is the real deal and if we don't use Nico statements about it it could be seen as double standar or cherry picking.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Dmc2,even in the novel for that,dante beats a mundus above the one in dmc1 which was stronger then Sparda

 

[Ogbunabali]

Where is that stated in DMC2 I genuinely don't remember that. But he beat the one in DMC1 with 1/3 of Sparda's power and beating Void Mundus puts him at 1/3 or above without borrowing Sparda's power.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Either story or mission from that game

 

[Ogbunabali]

Can you provide scans?

 

[Dienomite22]

I think he's talking about this. Which refers to Dante.

"The hunter shall surpass all who came before him."
―"Guidepost for the Hunters" Chapter 13 Clause 1

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

It was stated in the timeline video that capcom made, not in the game.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

It was stated in the timeline video that capcom made, not in the game.

No it wasnt,there they just state not even mundus level characters can stand up to dante at a certain point in the games

 

[Ogbunabali]

I think he's talking about this. Which refers to Dante.:"The hunter shall surpass all who came before him."
―"Guidepost for the Hunters" Chapter 13 Clause 1

Even if we take that at face value, that would still refer to 1/3 Sparda.

And if you're talking about the history of dmc video, it's not stated there.

 

[Dienomite22]

No, that's from DMC2 and technically it would include 3/3 Sparda as well but DMC5 retconning Sparda power level could possibly change this.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Well no since it talks with relation to Argosax Sparda, the 1/3rd Sparda.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I have profiles for Urizen and V in my sandbox, but again we don't have renders.

There is a thing i will correct here.

First, " Urizen merges together with V, Vergil's other, human, half, and Vergil is again reborn." should be " Urizen merges together with V, Vergil's other human half, and Vergil is again reborn."

Second is i think Griffon, Shadow, and Nightmare should be merged to V key, so it would be "10-B physically, 7-B with Shadow, Griffon, and Nightmare".

 

[Dienomite22]

@Ogbunabali

Not really, Sparda original power was 3/3 and saying "surpass all who came before him." could very well include 3/3 Sparda, which could explain why they keep reinforcing the idea Dante stomps Mundus level opponents.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Again, no since it would be in relation to Argosax, who again, is 1/3 Sparda, and even needed help to seal him. And Dante defeated Mundus with 1/3rd of Sparda's power, so defeating Mundus level opponents on his own is a no brainer.

 

[Ogbunabali]

There is a thing i will correct here.

First, " Urizen merges together with V, Vergil's other, human, half, and Vergil is again reborn." should be " Urizen merges together with V, Vergil's other human half, and Vergil is again reborn."

Second is i think Griffon, Shadow, and Nightmare should be merged to V key, so it would be "10-B physically, 7-B with Shadow, Griffon, and Nightmare".

The sentence is fine as it is.

I think the profiles merging would look messy. But I'll change it if everyone thinks they should be merged though.

 

[Dienomite22]

"surpass all who came before him." You can't say this is only in relation to Argosax when it literally states all which means it's beyond Argosax.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Yeah and it's still in relation to sealed Sparda.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

No its not, the sentence , " Vergil's other, human, half " if readed it sound wrong because there is a delay or something which is weird and not good, the right sentence is " V, Vergil's other human - half " (forgot to use " - " above but whatever lel)

 

[Dienomite22]

@Ogbunabli No it's not.Sparda was at 100% when he faced the Demon world and Mundus literally by himself (which is how the legends repeatedly tells it even in DMC2)and Sparda only sealed his power into 3 after he defeated the Demon world.This is undoubtedly in relation to 100% Sparda.