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Devil May Cry Discussion Thread 9

It's not because it talks about Argosax, and when Sparda fought him he was 1/3.

And you're still taking this at face value, I'm just entertaining you. This isn't a viable proof regardless. Do you have a quote or a statement that directly states Dante > Sparda, besides DMC5?
 
"surpass all who came before him." You're willfully ignoring "all who cam before him", who all came before Dante?

I'm not taking this at face value, I even said it's okay to conclude that DMC5 retconned the statement, you just seem to have trouble thinking Dante could have surpassed a full powered Sparda by DMC2.
 
That's way to vague. And even when taken at face value it means 1/3rd Dante, since it talks about the Sparda that faced Argosax, who is 1/3rd Sparda.
 
I don't understand how saying "all"(used to refer to the whole quantity or extent of a particular group or thing.) "who"(what or which person or people.)came "before" (during the period of time preceding (a particular event, date, or time)) him" is this confusing,vague, and only pertains to certain people in a certain state of power.
 
Yeah, that's still 1/3rd Sparda. I don't know how else I need to phrase it.
 
Didn't know Sparda was born with only 1/3 of his power and was able to stomp the entire underworld with it, neat.
 
Also Urizen being able to control the crystal(Yamato) and maintain the barrier while time is slowed is another among many other example of time slow resistance feats.
 
I don't get it, when and where was stated that Sparda was at only 1/3 of his power when he fought Mundus or that he even has his power divided for the matter?
 
Sparda was at full power when he fought Mundus and the demon world, DMC5 files said he split his power into 3, force edge, rebellion, and Yamato after the demon world thing happened
 
Actually, Sparda probably had a portion to himself, and three other for his swords

Anyway, if the statement says that Dante surpassed all who came before him, then it's safe to assume that's 100% Sparda, I mean, why it would consider a Sealed Sparda ? Doesn't make any sense

But anyway, that's not the only proof we have to say Dante > Sparda even before DMC5, so yeah

About V, we can hurt Bosses with his cane by pressing B/Circle, so I think it should be:

"Human level physically, Higher with his cane, City level with summons"
 
The thing is... Dante.. with just 1/3 of Sparda power (Sparda sword) was strong enough to overpower Mundus... Something that he wasnt capable on his own... *He was loosing to shattered Mundus when he lost Sparda*...

Sparda without his powers managed to seal away Argosax who was roughly equal to Mundus...

What I am trying to say is... Well.. I am not sure.

But I am certain that Sparda should get Concept Manipulation and BFR.. Vergil have it due to Yamato.. and Yamato was once a part of Sparda powers... So he should be able to do these things as well.
 
>She doesnt know how strong Sparda is

But somehow manages to know how strong Urizen is even tho she didn't even see him with her own eyes (and research his corpse too). Literally Jebaited.
 
I think that we've established before that Nico is not the best "source" of information.

Besides I think that the game devs created the games in a way in which the full strenght of Sparda will be always a mystery.

In DMC 1 Griffon states that Dante Might have surpassed his Father, but he loses against Mundus without Sparda sword.

In DMC 2 he manages to destroy enemy (Argosax) who is almost as strong as Mundus and the opponent which his father was only capable of sealing, not killing. Then again it was Sparda that already lost majority of his powers... So you're not certain about that.

In DMC 3... Well Sparda was for sure stronger than Dante from DMC3.

In DMC 4... There is a statement that there are people who belive that Dante is now stronger than Sparda


In DMC 5 Nico states that Dante in his Sin DT form.. has probably surpassed Sparda.

You see.. while we all do belive that Dante already has surpassed Sparda, we still dont know the exact gap between them and we are not even sure how strong Sparda was to begin with.

I feel like that was the devs intention from the start. To make it ambiguous.
 
Sparda is the Beerus of DMC at this point. I won't take wat was stated in 1 and 2 seriously tbh. They always pull this "Oh look! he surpassed the legendary Sparda!" Just to hype up Dante power every time. Even Dante's latest form is only MAYBE stronger than Sparda, don't be surprised if even SDT end up being weaker than prime sparda.

Nico's reports are glorified profile and are absolutely trust worthy, we went over this already. You seriously think the in-game profiles are intended to be unreliable narrator?
 
I mean.. if you think about it... Dante got Sin DT by fusing 2 pieces of the blades made from Sparda power to begin with... Since Sparda has split his true power into 3 blades. (Sparda, Rebellion, Yamato)

So Sin DT is basically Dante having (2/3) of original Sparda power.

And I agree that the Beerus comprasion is very... accurate.

We can only wonder what would have happened if he was about to fuse all 3 swords. Or use Rebellion to fuse himself with Vergil...

I am neither Dante nor Vergil.. I am ...
 
Beerus got actually surpassed and if new anime arcs are introduced it will be made more apperent, so there is no need to bring that up anymore.

About Sparda, the statements about those that said Dante surpassed him might came from sources that did not saw his full power before he split the blade [including Urizen who viewed the incomplete power of the Sparda blade as not important anymore], but it implies that Mundus got absolutely fodderized by him and was the strongest being in the verse, which seems strange through the manga implies him being able to hammer a spear all the way into the Earth and heavily damage it if he so wanted.
 
A lot of people also tends to ignore the fact that just before Sparda even fought Mundus... he demolished his entire army. The little remains of this army then returned to hell after Sparda defeated Mundus.

So he basically took down a big amount of demons (lesser demons and probably bosses) just before facing against Mundus. And when he finally got to Mundus, after slaying the hordes of his minions, he demolished him. :I

Now I feel bad for Mundus. This guy stood no chance.
 
So yea give Sparda Concept Manipulation and BFR.. due to Yamato having this power and therefore.. him having this power before he sealed Mundus.
 
Excuse me, but what ?

Dante in SDT doesn't have only 2/3 of Sparda's power, he had HIS OWN POWER + 2/3 from Sparda

Also, you guys are already saying that the other 2 parts of his power are Rebellion and Yamato, but the game never stated this, and it would contradict the statement about Rebellion being the manifestation of Dante's powers, think about this

But anyway,

- We have the second novel stating that Eva was equal to Sparda and she couldn't defeat Void Mundus, while Dante almost One Shotted him, in base

- We have DMC4 with the Savior having Nero in his core and DS Sparda, and even then Dante was casual and didn't even used his DT

- We have Argosax, equal to Mundus, being easily defeated by Dante and Before the Nightmare even states that he wasn't a trouble

So, with this, even if we consider a Sealed Sparda for Eva and Argosax, Dante in base and before DMC5 was already far, FAR stronger than 1/3 Sparda without DT or anything, by his power alone

Base Dante >>>>>> Sealed Sparda (1/3) (possibly was fighting using at least one of the Swords)

And then he absorbs Rebellion (another 1/3) and Sparda (another 1/3)

We can say for sure that Awakened Dante is indeed stronger than Sparda, but Pre-Awakening Dante is only stronger than Sealed Sparda (by a lot)

Again I suggest two keys for Sparda
 
After beating Mundus and his army, Sparda separated his power in 3 Swords

Force Edge, Rebellion and Yamato
 
The novels doesn't matter at this point tbh and anyway, all statement about Dante surpassing his father would only put him above 1/3 Sparda and not Prime Sparda.

I mean, Bird-kun says that DMC1 Dante already surpassed his father, but then freaking Dante get rekt by half-dead Mundus without his daddy sword, so that statement is moot.
 
Devil May Cry 6: Sparda's alive, he's evil, and Dante finds out he has a lot of half-siblings he has to bond with (then murder)
 
Dante Demon Killah said:
Also, you guys are already saying that the other 2 parts of his power are Rebellion and Yamato, but the game never stated this, and it would contradict the statement about Rebellion being the manifestation of Dante's powers, think about this
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Hate to be that guy

But yes it did
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See?

In case you can't read it due to picture quality it says "the dark knight sparda split his power in three parts. One blade bore his own name; the second blade was named to embody retaliation; the final blade was named to embody a god of death." From the legend of sparda file in documents.
 
Unless Sparda gains new feats, he must scale the demons he defeated. (Argosax and Mundus)


He should only be promoted if he reveals that he did something that puts him on the same level as Sin Dante.
 
A God of Death called Yamato ? That's why I said that, we don't have 100% evidence to say that those swords are Rebellion and Yamato

If that's the case, Vergil in DMC3 already had 1/3 of Sparda's power ?

I know that the other parts are likely Rebellion and Yamato and I'm fine with that, but just to be sure, I wanted to point that we have other things to consider
 
Just because they wield a weapon that holds 1/3rd of Sparda's power, doesn't automatically equal they can use 100% of that power, that's silly.
 
all that is irrelevant when he was said before dmc5 to surpass sparda,plus in dmc4 he beat the demon with sparfa power completely
 
Sanctus said [and like Arkham and Sid] that he could not control the full extent of the Sparda's power he had.
 
The only time we get a direct statement of Dante > Sparda is DMC5, so no.
 
Highly unlikely that any version of Dante"par DMC5" is stronger than Sparda after the recent info we got with SDT being only MAYBE stronger than prime Sparda.
 
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