Devil May Cry Discussion Thread 9

[Ogbunabali]

Eva = Sparda? That's the first time I hear of this. And Dante beat Mundus with only 1/3rd of Sparda's power and got much more powerful than that, so yeah.

 

[LordNephalem]

Could you guys take a look at this thread? https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2885306?useskin=oasis

 

[Meshifuari_Arimota]

Void mundus was stronger then other universe Eva who was sparda's equal and Dante beat void mundus no problem

Void Mundus was stronger than other universe Eva who was equal to other universe Sparda... We dont know if Sparda from that universe was comparable in power to the original Sparda.

Also are we treating the whole Void Mundus as canon here?

 

[Dienomite22]

The novels are treated as canon here and on the DMC wiki thanks to Before the Nightmare

 

[Meshifuari_Arimota]

Okay but we still dont know how strong was the Sparda from that universe compared to OG Sparda. Sparda from that universe could be weaker, could be stronger. As far as I am aware we have no info about that.

 

[Dienomite22]

true don't think I disagreed anywhere but if Void Mundus is a Mundus who beat Sparda then wouldn't that naturally mean he won against a full powered 3/3 Sparda?Because Sparda was at full power when he destroyed Mundus in the original timeline and the only difference between those events in the timeline is that Mundus won.You can easily chalk this up to DMC5 retconning things but it's also possible to argue that Void Mundus is just as powerful as full powered original timeline Sparda if one choses to do so.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Pretty sure in the novel we aren't told anything about Sparda. And it was implied everything went the same as it did in our universe, with the only difference is that Vergil took the place of Dante, but he failed in his mission to seal Mundus like Dante did in the original timeline (DMC1).

 

[Dienomite22]

Actually we are told what happened to Sparda,to correct myself from before.Sparda was betrayed by humans,decieved and drugged and taken to Mundus and then Mundus executed him.

Sparda vs underworld seems to either be a war that was happening for over 2000 years or around the time Sparda and Eva had Dante and Vergil.(both of which explains why Mundus wasn't sealed and Eva,Dante and Vergil existed)

 

[MiamiVice43]

i enjoyed playing the game

 

[Ogbunabali]

No. I'm pretty sure we don't get anything about parallel universe Sparda. Not in detail at least.

 

[Dienomite22]

No, this exactly what happened, I can post the scans if you want me to.

 

[Ogbunabali]

All we're told is that he got betrayed and brought before Mundus paralyzed, that's it. And if the timeline ran similar like the original timeline Sparda would've already sealed his power.

 

[Dienomite22]

Oh I thought you were saying Sparda being executed by Mundus didn't happened.

Did Sparda sealing his power even had happened in the alt timeline? The original timeline Sparda sealed away both Mundus and the demon world, if everything ran like the original timeline then Void Mundus wouldn't have been able to execute Sparda in the first place due to being sealed, unless Sparda did a goof and only sealed the demon world.

 

[Ogbunabali]

That's what I mean, we have no idea. We know some kind of similar event to DMC1 happened with Dante and Vergil's roles reversed. But if that happened you would think that everything before would be similar, except there are problems with that. I don't think we have enough information to come to a consensus about that.

 

[Dienomite22]

Agreed.

But about the revisions.Should we just close or ignore the current 3-A CRTs and focus on 4-C? We don't need Matthew's input in order for that to get accepted I think.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Pretty sure we need Matt's agreement if any kind of DMC revision will happen.

 

[Dienomite22]

I don't think so, he's only responsible for the 3-A stuff but If that's true then that's beyond problematic for both Matt and anything DMC content revisions related.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Well I'm not sure what tier 4-C feats exist, that aren't somehow connected to the 3-A one. And even then I'm pretty sure Ant won't allow that to go through without Matt's ok.

 

[Dienomite22]

The dice games are independent of 3-A stuff, Mundus feat was also taken as 4-C at minimum but was deemed an outlier still, the Mirror World is an independent 4-C feat and DMC5 may have a 4-C minimum feat as well.

 

[Callsign_Castle]

Not seeing how any boost above tier 6 is automatically an outlier.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

It is considered as such cuz there wasnt consistency

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Does anybody have a file for Post-Qliphoth Fruit Urizen in Japanese?

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Btw, the revisions, as of now, are in a heavily disorganized state and frankly are a jumbled mess, since there's so much stuff coming back up.

I think we should re-arrange things before proposing them.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Yes. A new DMC "revision" thread pops out every 2 days, and no conclusion is being made on any. It makes everything chaotic and disorganized. This really needs to stop.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Btw, the revisions, as of now, are in a heavily disorganized state and frankly are a jumbled mess, since there's so much stuff coming back up.
I think we should re-arrange things before proposing them.

So we are entering Bleach route now lel

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

guys...i just realized smth and after talking with QB well...its about V. The thing is that he attacks with his demons but they can't finish the job only V can.

Description: "V has the ability to summon familiars with demonic powers, formed as physical manifestations of Vergil's trauma from his time as Nelo Angelo, taking the form of Mundus's demon minions which he had authority over. When not called upon, the demons appear as tattoos on V's body and as ink in his hair, turning it from white to black. When they are summoned, the corresponding tattoo to each demon disappears and in case of Nightmare, his hair turns back to its original color. Due to their nature, V described his demons' abilities to be "dream-like" since they are only able to inflict pain, yet unable to kill."

Additional things: "V has the ability to summon familiars with demonic powers, formed as physical manifestations of Vergil's trauma from his time as Nelo Angelo, taking the form of Mundus's demon minions which he had authority over."

So what would this give the demons? Smth like dream or smth?

 

[Dienomite22]

Yea, that's a canon weakness for V, when in the cutscene when Shadow attacks Goliath, Goliath goes into the "stunned-state" (glows white/grey) and V comes in and finishes Goliath off

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

@Dino: Aye.

What of the thing about V's familiars above? Being manifestations of ones trauma (this case Vergil's) has to fall under something here no?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Ogun, rejoice! Urize first form render is here, there is final form but i need to go for several minutes.

EDIT: Here is the final form Urizen render

 

[Dark649]

God job for who made the renders.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Now we need the renders for Shadow, Griffon, and Nightmare.

 

[Ogbunabali]

@Dark when you have the time, link the Urizen page to Dante's profile.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

We need to change some things in Urizen's profile

- He needs two keys, one before the Fruit and one after

- Before the Fruit he's "At least 7-A, likely far higher" for being Massively superior to Dante

- His second key scales directly to the Shaking the world feat, so he should be only "Low 6-B", since Dante and Vergil are "At least Low 6-B"

The God Tiers from Mortal Kombat also scale to Shaking The World and they are only Low 6-B

- His speed should be just MHS+ Likely Higher/Far Higher, and not only for Combat and Reactions

- He scales to Dante's Lifting Strength (Class G)

 

[Ogbunabali]

The thing with the second key is that, no one scales to that and pre fruit scales to Sin Devil Trigger Dante, which scales to post fruit which is Low 6-B.

 

[Dark649]

Urizen survived a battle with Post Absoption Dante, though this Dante likely was not even trying. The other fruit destroyed Urizen roots armor and lost his humanity, but he became more agile and fought better with Dante.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Pre Fruit Urizen should be At Least 7-A, likely Higher for oneshotting DT Dante.

 

[Meshifuari_Arimota]

Urizen survived a battle with Sin Dante, the other fruit maybe did not boosted him that much since it destroyed his roots armor and lost his humanity, he became more agile through.

I feel like the fruit gave him a solid power-up. When he was still covered in roots Dante demolished him but after he ate the fruit and fought Dante.. He tired out Dante a bit, you can see that Dante's heavy-breathing.

 

[Dark649]

I changed that comment.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Pre fruit Urizen is way too comparable to his post fruit key. Yes he did receive a power up, but it was an unquantifiable power up. His feats in pre fruit is stomping "At least 7-A" characters and stalemating Sin Devil Trigger Dante, who scales to post Qliphoth Urizen, who is Low 6-B. Scaling him is kinda problematic, and we have no one who scales to his pre fruit key.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I mean, it's unquantifiable in the sense that Fruit is not a numbered boost. Pre Fruit should be 7-A and Post should be Low 6-B. It's not that problematic.