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Death Battle Season Six Discussion Thread (4) (Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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Can't believe we're already on the forth installation.
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To be fair, if this was a massive fight between all of Ben's aliens vs all of the GL Corps, it'd be a much closer fight.
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TitanCrusher101 said:
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| Ep 109 is Ben Tennyson vs Hal Jordan and Hal is winning with some tricks. Now you say all Ben 10 aliens vs all Green Lantern Corps are fairer? AFAIK quite a few of the Green Lantern Corps members reach SS level where not many Ben 10 aliens reach planetary. |
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I'm just hoping we get a fair fight next time. I wonder if they're using 3D models or sprites?
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Death Battle has had a... bit of a fear of using powerscaling. I don't know why, but they're hesitant to scale to other characters, even when it makes sense for it to be used. We all know the infamous match-up where this problem happened, of course.
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To be fair to DB, powerscaling can be tricky if not done carefully. I can't exactly say "Cloud scales to 1/3 the power of Sephiroth because it takes three party members to defeat Safer Sephiroth" because that's false. They usually try to provide concrete numbers if they can, and only scale if they can't find concrete numbers for the combatant but can for someone they compare to
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Yeah, but there's times when they should, by all means, scale characters and they don't. There's even times when it makes less sense to rely off of straight feats rather than scaling, and they haven't.
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Well, don't want to sound salty about it because I've already complained waaay too much about Yang vs Tifa, but that Death Battle felt horribly incomplete in just every possible regard, not only AP and Durability, which goes beyond the lack of scaling (which as Vergil vs Sephy shows, shoots on both knees the analysis for Yang vs Tifa).
@Speedyroj: For Yang vs Tifa Ben himself said Yang wasn´t "safe". It really doesn't mean much.
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| And as Jasonsith mentioned, if Mitsuru lacks an open display of destructive power and speed, she will be relegated to her feats only and it's not unlikely those will be downplayed or filled with "buts". I wouldn't be surprised if they still mantain that Auras make you invulnerable and they ignore hax altogether beside freezing. I really don't like saying this, but it may be bias, or perhasp Rooster Teeth grabbing them by the neck an saying "You better not let one of our girls lose or else...!" Though, being petty, I am rather relieved that it isn't Cygnus Hyoga or Jin Kisaragi (especially given that, from what I've heard, some research staff members have an open dislike for Blazblue) who are going to be used as sacrifice lambs -__-; |
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Was that a Pre-Crisis feat in regards to Hal crossing the universe in an hour?
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I mean...TartaChocholate said:
In all honesty, she probably wasn't? Idk, it's not hard to see why you'd think otherwise, but I find it far more likely that they did actually come to the conclusion that Yang wins (erroneously, obviously), rather than deliberately fudge the results.
also I trust Ultra's word more than I trust Ben's tbh
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Well... >_> I admit I am being too bitter about it. But given the entire context around Yang vs Tifa (explicitly made to celebrate Season 3 and Roosterteeth had acquired Screwattack), how incomplete the research was, not only in terms of power but other basics that were ignored (how does speed, skill, experience, fighting styles, Tifa's Magic vs Yang's Gunfire and mentality between these two martial artists measure up? For example.) Or for example how they brought up stuff for Tifa in her section of the analysis, but ignored in the conclusion, or just what came later with Vergil vs Sephiroth in general.
All that combined really can give the vibe they were cherry picking. And there's also this tidbit on Final Heaven.
I mean... I really hate making the accusation, but really... Then again, maybe it wasn't DB's fault, perhaps Rooster Teeth has told them "Our girls can't lose. Make them win and look good", I dunno or perhaps I am wrong altogether, but it IS fishy.
All that combined really can give the vibe they were cherry picking. And there's also this tidbit on Final Heaven.
I mean... I really hate making the accusation, but really... Then again, maybe it wasn't DB's fault, perhaps Rooster Teeth has told them "Our girls can't lose. Make them win and look good", I dunno or perhaps I am wrong altogether, but it IS fishy.
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@Tarta their DBX Ragna vs Ruby fight was all just a glorified RWBY advertisement. So it's more than likely they're just gonna give the win to RWBY again to advertise their show.
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^Underrated comment right thereHuesito88 said:
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Depending on how they treat weiss this can either be a massive stomp for mitsusru, a fair fight, or an ungodly stomp for weiss
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Weiss Schnee is easy to measure. She is solid CB level.
Mitsuru Kirijo is iffy. She can be anywhere from small building to large mountai to multi solar system to low multiverse level.
And if SA really wants to give RWBY a win it can simply send Weiss Schnee to rape Asuna. Weiss vs Asuna is a popular matchup anyway. Or Blake Belladonna vs Mikasa Ackerma. Or even Ruby Rose vs Maka Albar and limit Maka to pre-EoS forms and feats.
Mitsuru Kirijo is iffy. She can be anywhere from small building to large mountai to multi solar system to low multiverse level.
And if SA really wants to give RWBY a win it can simply send Weiss Schnee to rape Asuna. Weiss vs Asuna is a popular matchup anyway. Or Blake Belladonna vs Mikasa Ackerma. Or even Ruby Rose vs Maka Albar and limit Maka to pre-EoS forms and feats.
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^That's mainstream match up so they use a anti-mainstream match up like what we got here.
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You forget that DB likes to be composite for some reason meaning they will likely use stuff like Weiss' Mountain level feat from the manga and possibly the Low 2-C feats from xTag
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I mean, I'm pretty sure the reason is just to take the characters at their absolute strongest but idk how people feel about that.WeeklyBattles said:
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Hmm... the manga feats are pretty likely to be used. Dunno how credible or legit using Cross Tag would be, but I can see them doing it.
Though they have made differences when a character's powers changes too much from one medium to another, kinda like what happened with Archie Sonic or Eyes of Heaven Jotaro (as well as non-canon sources).
Well, if pinpointing Mitsuru's power is tricky in itself, perhaps the reasoning for Weiss' victory will be all in all solid enough.
Though they have made differences when a character's powers changes too much from one medium to another, kinda like what happened with Archie Sonic or Eyes of Heaven Jotaro (as well as non-canon sources).
Well, if pinpointing Mitsuru's power is tricky in itself, perhaps the reasoning for Weiss' victory will be all in all solid enough.
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Here's hoping they stick to one source this time.
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@Tipper in the manga, the giant nevermore that they fought blew away a mountain
Seeing as DB is part of the company that owns rwby and by extension helped develop xtag i see no reason why they'd leave it out
Seeing as DB is part of the company that owns rwby and by extension helped develop xtag i see no reason why they'd leave it out
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"Weiss helped defeat System XX, a multiverse buster. That makes her the strongest combatant we've ever seen on the show! Barring Yang, of course."
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Actually...
Not opposed to the manga feat being used if it means a closer fight. RWBY ain't even over yet and the nuclear range is literally within thwir grasp at the kilotons so I imagine when all is said and done they'll have more consistent showings for that as well.
As for speed... It seems Mitsuru has that, but I also hear a lightning-timer was found in RWBY? Does anyone scale?
Not opposed to the manga feat being used if it means a closer fight. RWBY ain't even over yet and the nuclear range is literally within thwir grasp at the kilotons so I imagine when all is said and done they'll have more consistent showings for that as well.
As for speed... It seems Mitsuru has that, but I also hear a lightning-timer was found in RWBY? Does anyone scale?
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Everyone would
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https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/rwby-the-official-manga-chapter-5/chapter/17972?action=readTipper17 said:
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Mountain Weiss at least isn't that crazy given her current rating and how things are advancing in the story, from what I get. At the very least using feats from different sources of the story is more reasonable than royally gimping the opponent.
Though, what makes Mitsuru's power so tricky to evaluate?
Though, what makes Mitsuru's power so tricky to evaluate?
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https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/rwby-the-official-manga-chapter-5/chapter/17972?action=read
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I find it hilarious how the manga gave the cast better feats then the ******* show
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I find it hilarious how the manga gave the cast better feats then the ******* show
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https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/rwby-the-official-manga-chapter-5/chapter/17972?action=read
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I find it hilarious how the manga gave the cast better feats then the ******* show
Not hilarious at all
Manga/comic feats are cheaper to produce than games and TV shows, makes commercial sense.
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I find it hilarious how the manga gave the cast better feats then the ******* show
Not hilarious at all
Manga/comic feats are cheaper to produce than games and TV shows, makes commercial sense.
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In AP and dura, Mitsuru and P3 crew scale to Erebus (Persona 3) who can destroy mountains when in a weakened state. The size of the mountain is not known so it is likely baseline. But the crew also tanked a laser that can be seen from outer space - but the feat is not calculated.TartaChocholate said:
In speed, Mitsuru scales to the Persona 3 main cast in dodging lightning. Since the lightning source for dodging is unknown, it is assumed at baseline MHS.
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If Weiss scales to the dude who dodged lightning, then doesn't the soeed advantage gp to ger purely because she's got the better travel speed between the two? I mean, at least as far as I know she does. The only thing listed for Mitsuru are combat speeds/reaction times, but what about her travel speed?
And if both characters are equal in AP and Durability as well as maybe speed, then this comes down to skill, experience, and how their abilities work. It'll basically be "But can Weiss see Personas", and I'm pretty sure she can't which still gives Misturu a win, doesn't it? Or are we expected to believe that Weiss can simply stall enough and dodge so much stiff that the Persona wouldn't be too much of a determining factor?
And if both characters are equal in AP and Durability as well as maybe speed, then this comes down to skill, experience, and how their abilities work. It'll basically be "But can Weiss see Personas", and I'm pretty sure she can't which still gives Misturu a win, doesn't it? Or are we expected to believe that Weiss can simply stall enough and dodge so much stiff that the Persona wouldn't be too much of a determining factor?
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