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Praying that Liam isn’t doing the research for that episode.
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Death Battle Season Nine Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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Dust_Collector
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Yeah the chances of them putting Dante anywhere above tier 6 are low, maybe there's a decent chance they could make him planet level (I think there's some stuff for that, there's an moon moving feat or something but maybe it's vague enough to not be used kinda like Ganons blood moon thing) but I ain't expecting them to go full on universal if they ever bring him back.
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Most of the Researchers have to come agreement to where they view the character not just one
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If it's Kratos there definitely gonna put him at Uni even if they have to play coi with it
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They gonna be putting Dante at just Island level, I can feel it
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Or he finally buys what VBW has explained on the universe level Dante.
Last time the crew did not quite want to buy universe level Castlevania, they finally included that.
Last time they put Link at some tier 7 at Ganondorf vs Dracula, they put Link at Planet level at Link vs Cloud 2021.
Maybe Liam can atone. Maybe not. Maybe Death Battle can find another way of making Kratos win without downplaying DMC
Mankind can hope.
But yeah prepare for the worst tineline to come.
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I can see that happening but not in the way of making both of them straight up universal. I think they'll mostly stick to continental for Kratos and country level or something for Dante but bring up the universal arguments as a little extra thing.
Gonna do an "Erm actually" and say they actually put Link at moon level in the rematch. Also they still technically had Link at tier 7 (I think the highest non FDM feat they gave was 200 megatons with the ether medallion or something) he just skyrockets into the exatons with a specific mask.
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Those that side uni dmc arent anywhere near as annoying as wankers or downplayers of it
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Street Fighter is still wanked, even after Ryu had his runback, although they changed their views with mortal kombat on how characters comparable to deities are sitting at in power, though kinda late they had to get there
Some verses they clearly dont know how to properly scale even nowadays, nor changed their view
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Seeing as they don't buy infinite Touhou or the Amitabha thing, if the MU does happen, Hit will more than likely win based off of holding the stat trinity at that point thanks to upscaling massively from BOG feat and Goku's lol multipliers.
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Depends, with vegeta they skipped ssj1 and ssj2 multipliers and just went from ssj blue and onwards
And Hit doesnt scale to the bigger forms, just up to ssj blue kaioken x10 iirc was the highest he was able to face off, also of Vegeta was quintillions with just those multipliers he had, Hit will have lesser
Granted its unknown where touhou sits at by their logic, so that remains to be seen
And Hit doesnt scale to the bigger forms, just up to ssj blue kaioken x10 iirc was the highest he was able to face off, also of Vegeta was quintillions with just those multipliers he had, Hit will have lesser
Granted its unknown where touhou sits at by their logic, so that remains to be seen
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They only multiplied Vegeta's power with that in Thor vs Vegeta. His speed didn't have multipliers attached to it, it was still based off the BOG feat alone, which Hit scales above. He'll get low quintillions at the least. As for Sakuya, without the aforementioned stuff, which includes the planck instant thing from a throwaway line in an OST, she's most likely being placed in the millions of times FTL.
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They applied multipliers to his speed, they even say it
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It seems they did, but that got Vegeta to a low-balled estimate of 300 quintillion, whilst in the GB vs RF episode, Black was thrust into low quintillions without multipliers, meaning they most likely just applied a fifty times increase or something. So, Hit would still end up in the low quintillions, anyway.
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Black had only ssj1 and rose form, so like x50 x50, although they clearly didnt care of anything besides rose so applied just the x50
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But when Zamasu wishes for the strongest body, he became Goku Black.
Which means everything from the strongest Goku will be inherited by Zamasu theoretically.
If this is just one universe Touhou and Billion c speed Hit wins easily.
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And in that episode, I do recall, they explicitly didn't apply multipliers to speed, so that point is moot.
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Goku post u6 vs u7 arc, that was the strongest goku was back then
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Black had one relevant form with a multiplier, vegeta episode happened waaaay later and multipliers were used on speed
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Which is what brought it from the low quintillions they gave Black without multipliers, to 300 quintillion for Vegeta with them.
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Yeah without the infinite shit Sakuya has nothing on the battle of gods speed feat that Hit scales above so he doesn't need multipliers for that. He just blitzes and one shots her before she can even think about pulling out any of her hax
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Could make an argument for Sakuya scaling to characters who crossed the Dream World which, considering they buy dream scaling, could easily be billions of times bigger than baseline universal. That would give Sakuya a massive speed advantage, so basically there are 3 possible feats they can use to have her blitz Hit.
Also they don't necessarily don't buy Amitabha scaling, they consider Heaven-busting universal and that is the only in-universe justification they could reasonably use for making Heaven 3-A or higher without taking infinite size scaling into account.Unless they go "look guys it has galaxies, therefore it's a universe!" which would be stupid.
Also they don't necessarily don't buy Amitabha scaling, they consider Heaven-busting universal and that is the only in-universe justification they could reasonably use for making Heaven 3-A or higher without taking infinite size scaling into account.
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And beside the "infinite speed" from the "infinite corridor" and similar things,
New Touhou KE and Speed
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We have 4.276 c for anyone comparable to Cirno
214.08 c for everyone comparable to Youmu
1,025,600,095 c (ranges from 205,120,019 to 2,051,200,190 c) for everyone comparable to Reimu
As a control
Metroid EX - Extreme Speed
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Ridley and Samus Aran are 131,499,789,600 c
Pokémon: Lunala gotta go fast
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"Galaxy to universe level" legendary Pokémon can go 1,072,723,360.506 c.
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By the way, how high up did they put Mega Man Star Force in Mega Man Royale?
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Star Level IIRC
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And beside the "infinite speed" from the "infinite corridor" and similar things,
New Touhou KE and Speed
We have 4.276 c for anyone comparable to Cirno
214.08 c for everyone comparable to Youmu
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If I converted the numbers they gave correctly they put him at multi-solar system level, roughly 40,000 times above baseline
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And... Given Touhou Project speed feats are not that impressive, ... the chance of granting a Touhou universe bigger than yours is difficult.
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Based on some comments from @The_real_cal_howard, DB buys dreams in Touhou being universal. The Dream World in Touhou is where all individual dreams are stored. In LoLK, the protagonists have to fly across the Dream World, and thus, the dreams that it contains. Since everyone in Touhou has dreams, this would mean they'd be flying across a space that contains a number of dreams equal to the number of people that dream, which would be in the billions. And since the DB crew (presumably) accepts dreams as universal, this would make the Dream World billions of times larger than an average universe.
I did a very low quality calc of this using an 8 minute timeframe, and it got into the low septillions, well above anything DB would scale Hit to.
No, I meant we stopped using those feats because they used the in-game speed of projectiles scaling to light speed projectiles as a basis, which was how we got 6-C from Cirno rolling a chunk of ice. The calcs themselves also violated FTL KE standards iirc.
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So... Should we expect a commissioned track for Ren Amamiya vs Giorno Giovanna within 3 hours?
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Oof my boi MacGrath
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We shall see.
Oh DBC is out
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Anything notable for Guts and Clare?
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StarForce was given a black hole feat if I recall, hence the SS level.
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(Can copy wrong)
1. Youki / Demon energy is "specific against demons and other Claymores" and not as strong against anyone else
2. Deemed: Clare cannot shoot demon energy projectiles. She fights with her sword and two hands.
3. A demon organ is implanted into a human to give a human part demon powers. There is a scar left after the surgery but the scar is not by itself a weak spot.
4. The precognition and clairvoyance of Clare works by "sensing where the youki flows to which limbs and therefore predicting where the opponent is about to start its attack". Not real precognition. But enhanced senses on ki energy nonetheless.
Also, all Claymores charge their limbs with youki before attacking.
Besides, Claymores use youki sensing to track demons.
5. The Jen chart of Claymore character tiering:
Those above the abysmal ones (Priscilla) > Abysmal ones (6 characters) > Awakened Ones (whose who almost let their demons burst out but control them) > Half-demon Claymore (?) > Yoma (demon) >= ordinary Claymore > ordinary humans
6. Clare with Quicksword and chanelling appropriate youki can move so fast others could not see or perceive her clearly (FTE).
7. Guts can move so fast he
7.1. tags Griffith who has FTE feats.
7.2. tags another early Berserk character who creates sonic booms (supersonic)
7.3. dodges real lightning bolts (can be leader strikes or return strokes which means Mach 286 to 1/3 c)
8. Guts can tank a lightning strike and likely survive standing on lava in an active volcano.
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10. Clare in Theresa wing form (?) with Quicksword can "swing a sword so fast" she "atomises" or pulverises five bodies of Priscilla into "dust". Whether it is by demon energy or by physical strength is unknown. Ben Singer guesses it can be just a physical strike.
11. Clare's ultimate form involves transforming into the outlook of Theresa then grows wings.
12. Gut's Dragon Slayer sword is super heavy, it can be used as a shield, but it can also cut so well it negates regeneration and healing unless said wounds is healed by a witch (layers of durability negation and regeneration negation and healing stuff). And can cut through "astral planes".
Counter suggested by Jen: cut away the cauterized parts such that the unaffected parts can regrow.
Liam supplemented that Gut's swords can attack souls.
13. Guts fought and defeated entities that creates mountain-sized storms that obliterated cities and possibly affected the whole planet (low balled end is small city level megatons of TNT). Therefore Gut's attack potency can possibly be far higher.
14. Claymore AP feats involves creating small shockwaves, pulverising 5 human bodies (small building X 5?), Oh-yeah-ing walls, etc.
15. Ben, Sam and Bryan are voting for Clare but the two polls vote for Guts.
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