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I really doubt Dante is even going to reach universal if he shows up in DB
Yeah the chances of them putting Dante anywhere above tier 6 are low, maybe there's a decent chance they could make him planet level (I think there's some stuff for that, there's an moon moving feat or something but maybe it's vague enough to not be used kinda like Ganons blood moon thing) but I ain't expecting them to go full on universal if they ever bring him back.
 
Yeah the chances of them putting Dante anywhere above tier 6 are low, maybe there's a decent chance they could make him planet level (I think there's some stuff for that, there's an moon moving feat or something but maybe it's vague enough to not be used kinda like Ganons blood moon thing) but I ain't expecting them to go full on universal if they ever bring him back.
If it's Kratos there definitely gonna put him at Uni even if they have to play coi with it
 
Praying that Liam isn’t doing the research for that episode.
Or he finally buys what VBW has explained on the universe level Dante.

Last time the crew did not quite want to buy universe level Castlevania, they finally included that.

Last time they put Link at some tier 7 at Ganondorf vs Dracula, they put Link at Planet level at Link vs Cloud 2021.

Maybe Liam can atone. Maybe not. Maybe Death Battle can find another way of making Kratos win without downplaying DMC like wanking GOW instead.

Mankind can hope.



But yeah prepare for the worst tineline to come.
 
If it's Kratos there definitely gonna put him at Uni even if they have to play coi with it
I can see that happening but not in the way of making both of them straight up universal. I think they'll mostly stick to continental for Kratos and country level or something for Dante but bring up the universal arguments as a little extra thing.

Last time they put Link at some tier 7 at Ganondorf vs Dracula, they put Link at Planet level at Link vs Cloud 2021.
Gonna do an "Erm actually" and say they actually put Link at moon level in the rematch. Also they still technically had Link at tier 7 (I think the highest non FDM feat they gave was 200 megatons with the ether medallion or something) he just skyrockets into the exatons with a specific mask.
 
People will rub whatever in your face regardless, rolling back to universal dmc yeah there'll be corny nerds rubbing it in if db doesn't make them universal but if they did use universal dmc then a bunch of people who buy those characters being that high will be every bit as annoying about it and rub it in too
Those that side uni dmc arent anywhere near as annoying as wankers or downplayers of it
 
Or he finally buys what VBW has explained on the universe level Dante.

Last time the crew did not quite want to buy universe level Castlevania, they finally included that.

Last time they put Link at some tier 7 at Ganondorf vs Dracula, they put Link at Planet level at Link vs Cloud 2021.

Maybe Liam can atone. Maybe not. Maybe Death Battle can find another way of making Kratos win without downplaying DMC like wanking GOW instead.

Mankind can hope.



But yeah prepare for the worst tineline to come.
Street Fighter is still wanked, even after Ryu had his runback, although they changed their views with mortal kombat on how characters comparable to deities are sitting at in power, though kinda late they had to get there

Some verses they clearly dont know how to properly scale even nowadays, nor changed their view
 
Depends, with vegeta they skipped ssj1 and ssj2 multipliers and just went from ssj blue and onwards

And Hit doesnt scale to the bigger forms, just up to ssj blue kaioken x10 iirc was the highest he was able to face off, also of Vegeta was quintillions with just those multipliers he had, Hit will have lesser

Granted its unknown where touhou sits at by their logic, so that remains to be seen
 
Depends, with vegeta they skipped ssj1 and ssj2 multipliers and just went from ssj blue and onwards

And Hit doesnt scale to the bigger forms, just up to ssj blue kaioken x10 iirc was the highest he was able to face off, also of Vegeta was quintillions with just those multipliers he had, Hit will have lesser

Granted its unknown where touhou sits at by their logic, so that remains to be seen
They only multiplied Vegeta's power with that in Thor vs Vegeta. His speed didn't have multipliers attached to it, it was still based off the BOG feat alone, which Hit scales above. He'll get low quintillions at the least. As for Sakuya, without the aforementioned stuff, which includes the planck instant thing from a throwaway line in an OST, she's most likely being placed in the millions of times FTL.
 
They only multiplied Vegeta's power with that in Thor vs Vegeta. His speed didn't have multipliers attached to it, it was still based off the BOG feat alone, which Hit scales above. He'll get low quintillions at the least. As for Sakuya, without the aforementioned stuff, which includes the planck instant thing from a throwaway line in an OST, she's most likely being placed in the millions of times FTL.
They applied multipliers to his speed, they even say it
 
They applied multipliers to his speed, they even say it
It seems they did, but that got Vegeta to a low-balled estimate of 300 quintillion, whilst in the GB vs RF episode, Black was thrust into low quintillions without multipliers, meaning they most likely just applied a fifty times increase or something. So, Hit would still end up in the low quintillions, anyway.
 
Black had only ssj1 and rose form, so like x50 x50, although they clearly didnt care of anything besides rose so applied just the x50
But when Zamasu wishes for the strongest body, he became Goku Black.
Which means everything from the strongest Goku will be inherited by Zamasu theoretically.

Seeing as they don't buy infinite Touhou or the Amitabha thing, if the MU does happen, Hit will more than likely win based off of holding the stat trinity at that point thanks to upscaling massively from BOG feat and Goku's lol multipliers.
If this is just one universe Touhou and Billion c speed Hit wins easily.
Though Cirno still dies to Jack Frost and Hoopa still dies to Yukari Yakumo
 
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Multipliers or not Hit has the speed advantage as far as Quantifiable shit goes hell dude flew from U6 to all the way to U7

Sakuya ***** on him in terms of Hax but outside of that good luck
 
Could make an argument for Sakuya scaling to characters who crossed the Dream World which, considering they buy dream scaling, could easily be billions of times bigger than baseline universal. That would give Sakuya a massive speed advantage, so basically there are 3 possible feats they can use to have her blitz Hit.

Also they don't necessarily don't buy Amitabha scaling, they consider Heaven-busting universal and that is the only in-universe justification they could reasonably use for making Heaven 3-A or higher without taking infinite size scaling into account. Unless they go "look guys it has galaxies, therefore it's a universe!" which would be stupid.
 
Yeah without the infinite shit Sakuya has nothing on the battle of gods speed feat that Hit scales above so he doesn't need multipliers for that. He just blitzes and one shots her before she can even think about pulling out any of her hax
And beside the "infinite speed" from the "infinite corridor" and similar things,


We have 4.276 c for anyone comparable to Cirno

214.08 c for everyone comparable to Youmu


1,025,600,095 c (ranges from 205,120,019 to 2,051,200,190 c) for everyone comparable to Reimu

As a control


Ridley and Samus Aran are 131,499,789,600 c


"Galaxy to universe level" legendary Pokémon can go 1,072,723,360.506 c.
 
Pretty sure we stopped using those calcs a long time ago :v
Pretty sure they would need to look at those calcs of those feats or make their own calculations from those feats on determining how infinite is the Touhou Project universe and therefore how applicable the infinite statement is :v

And... Given Touhou Project speed feats are not that impressive, ... the chance of granting a Touhou universe bigger than yours is difficult.
 
Based on some comments from @The_real_cal_howard, DB buys dreams in Touhou being universal. The Dream World in Touhou is where all individual dreams are stored. In LoLK, the protagonists have to fly across the Dream World, and thus, the dreams that it contains. Since everyone in Touhou has dreams, this would mean they'd be flying across a space that contains a number of dreams equal to the number of people that dream, which would be in the billions. And since the DB crew (presumably) accepts dreams as universal, this would make the Dream World billions of times larger than an average universe.

I did a very low quality calc of this using an 8 minute timeframe, and it got into the low septillions, well above anything DB would scale Hit to.

ofc this should be another infinite speed feat based on what we already accept here but whatever, im still working on that thread
Pretty sure they would need to look at those calcs of those feats or make their own calculations from those feats on determining how infinite is the Touhou Project universe and therefore how applicable the infinite statement is :v

And... Given Touhou Project speed feats are not that impressive, ... the chance of granting a Touhou universe bigger than yours is difficult.
No, I meant we stopped using those feats because they used the in-game speed of projectiles scaling to light speed projectiles as a basis, which was how we got 6-C from Cirno rolling a chunk of ice. The calcs themselves also violated FTL KE standards iirc.
 
Anything notable for Guts and Clare?
(Can copy wrong)
1. Youki / Demon energy is "specific against demons and other Claymores" and not as strong against anyone else
2. Deemed: Clare cannot shoot demon energy projectiles. She fights with her sword and two hands.
3. A demon organ is implanted into a human to give a human part demon powers. There is a scar left after the surgery but the scar is not by itself a weak spot.
4. The precognition and clairvoyance of Clare works by "sensing where the youki flows to which limbs and therefore predicting where the opponent is about to start its attack". Not real precognition. But enhanced senses on ki energy nonetheless.
Also, all Claymores charge their limbs with youki before attacking.
Besides, Claymores use youki sensing to track demons.
5. The Jen chart of Claymore character tiering:
Those above the abysmal ones (Priscilla) > Abysmal ones (6 characters) > Awakened Ones (whose who almost let their demons burst out but control them) > Half-demon Claymore (?) > Yoma (demon) >= ordinary Claymore > ordinary humans
6. Clare with Quicksword and chanelling appropriate youki can move so fast others could not see or perceive her clearly (FTE).
7. Guts can move so fast he
7.1. tags Griffith who has FTE feats.
7.2. tags another early Berserk character who creates sonic booms (supersonic)
7.3. dodges real lightning bolts (can be leader strikes or return strokes which means Mach 286 to 1/3 c)
8. Guts can tank a lightning strike and likely survive standing on lava in an active volcano.
9. By Liam, Liam (which means High Dio with Liam's Wank = 1500 c) >> Guts (at least MHS, likely far higher) >> Clare (hypersonic)
10. Clare in Theresa wing form (?) with Quicksword can "swing a sword so fast" she "atomises" or pulverises five bodies of Priscilla into "dust". Whether it is by demon energy or by physical strength is unknown. Ben Singer guesses it can be just a physical strike.
11. Clare's ultimate form involves transforming into the outlook of Theresa then grows wings.
12. Gut's Dragon Slayer sword is super heavy, it can be used as a shield, but it can also cut so well it negates regeneration and healing unless said wounds is healed by a witch (layers of durability negation and regeneration negation and healing stuff). And can cut through "astral planes".
Counter suggested by Jen: cut away the cauterized parts such that the unaffected parts can regrow.
Liam supplemented that Gut's swords can attack souls.
13. Guts fought and defeated entities that creates mountain-sized storms that obliterated cities and possibly affected the whole planet (low balled end is small city level megatons of TNT). Therefore Gut's attack potency can possibly be far higher.
14. Claymore AP feats involves creating small shockwaves, pulverising 5 human bodies (small building X 5?), Oh-yeah-ing walls, etc.
15. Ben, Sam and Bryan are voting for Clare but the two polls vote for Guts.
 
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