Death Battle Season Nine Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[TMaakkonen]

Remember when they put Archie Sonic’s durability at falling barbell level

omg your so saltyy, Of course a Flash is more consistent character. Flashes are always super duper pooper scooper OP

do I need /s

 

[Dust_Collector]

Remember when they put Archie Sonic’s durability at falling barbell level

Yeah that was weird, falling barbell level is way above Archie Sonic's paygrade so I don't know why they would wank his durability that high

 

[BlackDarkness679]

@Maverick_Zero_X who is your pfp? Looks nice, kinda want the full thing

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Do you guys think Death Battle is starting to be too lax with how they handle DC and Marvel? I remember when seeing Hulk as universal was pretty controversial, but with this fight it seems like they're willing to scale characters higher up the cosmology chain. I'm not too familiar with Wanda or Zatanna, so maybe their top feats have explanations, but are they consistent high ends or outliers?

Both characters (especially Wanda) just have fluctuating power levels due to how Marvel and DC’s Magic systems work and some other factors (Life Force, Belief, ect). DB used them at their peak because that’s how their show works.

 

[TMaakkonen]

The real argument DB had of Bleed being bigger in Ds than Archie Sonic stuff is fair, but the verdict writing in Wally vs Sonic is so bad its practically bias.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

@Maverick_Zero_X who is your pfp? Looks nice, kinda want the full thing

It’s Chainsaw Man’s Makima dressed as a maid

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

It’s Chainsaw Man’s Makima dressed as a maid

Oh no, your one of them . We've lost a good one bois.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Ignoring "waah DC herald needs to lose" stuff...

What are DC characters left you wanna see? Because you like them or what not. Or DC fights in general?

Dead shot, maybe the anti monitor, Zolomon could be cool if used at all

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

A feat they mentioned in the last episode makes Piccolo vs MM an even bigger stomp than everyone thought.

“She's matched superheroes like Martian Manhunter, who's scanned every mind on earth in a planck instant”

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

I for one I'm glad Vs community preconceptions change overtime, without adapting to the subjectivity of fiction and being open-minded to new information or more reliable means of power-scaling, Vs debating becomes stagnate and often falls into unhelpful patterns as well as cognitive bias.

The fallacies page pretty much shows off many of these "patterns".

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Tbf, Quicksilver had no chance against Flash, Wanda did to Zatanna

 

[Tipper17]

A feat they mentioned in the last episode makes Piccolo vs MM an even bigger stomp than everyone thought.

“She's matched superheroes like Martian Manhunter, who's scanned every mind on earth in a planck instant”

Ah we all knew how big of a stomp Piccolo vs MM was

 

[Tipper17]

Once again
Current Dragon Ball Ws
Trunks vs Silver
Omni-Man vs Bardock
Frieza vs Megatron


50/50
Hit vs Sakuya
Cell vs Most of his MU (Boils down to whether Cell is In the new movie and gets a Buff)


DB Ls
Piccolo vs MM
17 vs Cyborg
Vegeta vs Thor
Cell vs Most of his MU if he's not in the film
Gogeta vs Omnimon

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Cell vs Most of his MU (Boils down to whether Cell is In the new movie and gets a Buff)

Honestly the cell jrs could have been the best opportunity for this, doubtful they make him return at this point

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

I still kinda want a GT MU

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Magneto when he finds out both his children are dead:

 

[Nero415]

Because times, ideas, and beliefs change. Remember we all used to laugh at the idea of a universal Superman and turned Tonathan into a pariah because he pushed for it. Now it’s commonly accepted.
Comics are far from the only example. Go back five-ish years, if you said Super Sonic was above planet, you were a wanking Sonictard. Mario being above city was considered dumb, Kirby vs Buu was controversial, Avatar was like, wall level, Roshi’s blatant moon busting feat was an outlier, etc. It’s not DB that’s changing, or at least not just DB, but vs debating in general.

Yes this is indeed facts

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Any fair matches for infinite Multiversal Sora?

Sora (Kingdom Hearts)

Sora is a cheerful, young boy hailing from the Destiny Islands and the main protagonist of the Kingdom Hearts series. Longing to see the worlds outside of his own, he and his friends Riku and Kairi pledged to build a raft and set out together. However, on their planned day of departure, a freak...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Nero415]

Personally my main issue when they go with High Ends for Marvel/DC characters its not if they are generally consistent (since its fighting a losing battle due of how inconsistent Marvel/DC tend to be ), and its not like this isn't something limited to just Comic Book characters, but if they are trully as legit as they claim.

Considering that most Universal+ to Multiversal+ feats/statements/scaling for Post-Crisis/Rebirth Superman have always ended up be proven to be either hyperboles or taken out of context, i always take a grain of salt when they bring shit Scarlet Witch "affecting the omniverse", since i always the feeling they either forgot or ignore the context behind to wank the characters.

I mean not really? Most of the high end shit they have is legitimate.

 

[Nero415]

I for one I'm glad Vs community preconceptions change overtime, without adapting to the subjectivity of fiction and being open-minded to new information or more reliable means of power-scaling, Vs debating becomes stagnate and often falls into unhelpful patterns as well as cognitive bias.

The fallacies page pretty much shows off many of these "patterns".

Yep

 

[Nero415]

Any fair matches for infinite Multiversal Sora?

Sora (Kingdom Hearts)

Sora is a cheerful, young boy hailing from the Destiny Islands and the main protagonist of the Kingdom Hearts series. Longing to see the worlds outside of his own, he and his friends Riku and Kairi pledged to build a raft and set out together. However, on their planned day of departure, a freak...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Wait wha?

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

K I know I'm late, but that Z vs Wanda battle was dope. Especially the JLA vs Avengers part.

 

[Jasonsith]

Spoiler: images related to Jonathan vs Tanjiro

Borrowed from @Ahmad2345

Should Jonathan win

Should Tanjiro win

Dio definitely would put a similar face whatever the outcome.

Once again
Current Dragon Ball Ws
Trunks vs Silver
Omni-Man vs Bardock
Frieza vs Megatron


50/50
Hit vs Sakuya
Cell vs Most of his MU (Boils down to whether Cell is In the new movie and gets a Buff)


DB Ls
Piccolo vs MM
17 vs Cyborg
Vegeta vs Thor
Cell vs Most of his MU if he's not in the film
Gogeta vs Omnimon

Add in...
1. should we use Nappa or Raditz vs Jagi?
2. Pilaf Gang vs Team Rocket was mentioned in a Community Death Battle?

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Wait wha?

The 2-B/2-A upgrades spearheaded by @Bobsican were accepted, I believe it was briefly brought up a few pages ago. Now Pit gets stomped even harder.

Overall I know quite a few communities that have KH at multiversal level so it doesn't surprise me 2-B/2-A got accepted here too. As for MUs either Shulk (XBC) or WoL (FF) are debatable but the former already has Lightning (FF13) and the latter maybe considered derivative considering how closely linked KH is to FF plus composite Link already lost to Cloud (FF7) so bringing him back to lose to another Squenix protag is pretty redundant tbh.

There are other Sora MUs but the opponent's are mostly "who's".

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Any fair matches for infinite Multiversal Sora?

Sora (Kingdom Hearts)

Sora is a cheerful, young boy hailing from the Destiny Islands and the main protagonist of the Kingdom Hearts series. Longing to see the worlds outside of his own, he and his friends Riku and Kairi pledged to build a raft and set out together. However, on their planned day of departure, a freak...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Also it looks like Slime god, Llama god, godslaying Hedgehog and the chinamen have some competition for the longest profiles (I don't think my scrolling tab has been that tiny before lol!).

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Goku shaking the universe really seems to be the nexus point that caused everything slowly change, huh.

This is so true that it’s not even funny. Like goddamn this sentence right here is the definition of post-2015 vs debating.
So…blame Goku.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

This is so true that it’s not even funny. Like goddamn this sentence right here is the definition of post-2015 vs debating.
So…thank Goku.

I think that's more appropriate.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I've said it over and over again. No one on the internet was asserting this many universal characters until Beerus showed up to Goku's planet. It's just one big ass chain reaction.

 

[The_Smashor]

1. should we use Nappa or Raditz vs Jagi?

Raditz is way better than Nappa for Jagi, definitely.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

I've said it over and over again. No one on the internet was asserting this many universal characters until Beerus showed up to Goku's planet. It's just one big ass chain reaction.

That's confirmation bias of the normies for you. Gurren Lagann, Ben 10 and other franchises had blatant cosmic feats but it was only until Goku Vs Beerus that people began acknowledging the cosmic feats/statements/lore of other popular franchises and characters.

Remember High 6-A Kratos or 7-B Dante?

 

[Tipper17]

I've said it over and over again. No one on the internet was asserting this many universal characters until Beerus showed up to Goku's planet. It's just one big ass chain reaction.

This is so true that it’s not even funny. Like goddamn this sentence right here is the definition of post-2015 vs debating.
So…blame Goku.

It's a ******* mess I tell ya

 

[The_Smashor]

Hot take: Goku making everyone uni is actually a good thing.

 

[Stefano4444]

I mean not really? Most of the high end shit they have is legitimate.

Not all of them, example for Universal Lex Luthor they used the feat of Kyle Rayner of holding a Big Bang from Imperiex.

However if actually read the context in Our Worlds at War, Imperiex be that strong go in direct contradiction with the story.

 

[The_Smashor]

Any fair matches for infinite Multiversal Sora?

Sora (Kingdom Hearts)

Sora is a cheerful, young boy hailing from the Destiny Islands and the main protagonist of the Kingdom Hearts series. Longing to see the worlds outside of his own, he and his friends Riku and Kairi pledged to build a raft and set out together. However, on their planned day of departure, a freak...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Blade Strangers characters?

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Hot take: Goku making everyone uni is actually a good thing.

Perhaps a Syndrome moment? (props to those who get the reference).

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

This is so true that it’s not even funny. Like goddamn this sentence right here is the definition of post-2015 vs debating.
So…blame Goku.

4-A Sonic
High 4-C Sora
4-B Cloud
4-A Asura
5-A Link
5-B Samus
High 7-C Captain Falcon
4-A Kirby
5-B Mario

All these characters + more reached 3-A or above.

 

[Newendigo]

Do you guys think Death Battle is starting to be too lax with how they handle DC and Marvel? I remember when seeing Hulk as universal was pretty controversial, but with this fight it seems like they're willing to scale characters higher up the cosmology chain. I'm not too familiar with Wanda or Zatanna, so maybe their top feats have explanations, but are they consistent high ends or outliers?

I don't know, it's just starting to seem like neither company can actually be beat anymore (sans street tier).

Pretty much, after buying Universal Hulk almost all the afteward research has become less skeptical and more hyperbolic, not considering the obvious elephant of consistency that they used to look at in previous seasons, and if you pay attention, they don't have this lax nature when it comes to other franchices that aren't marvel or DC.

One personal issue I have is that alot of stuff in the research ends up being really, really redundant, like in Iron Man Vs Batman they made a big deal about the Sol hammer, "Wow, Tony managed to make a planet destroying weapon!".

Big deal, you guys have him and Batman at universal already.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Pretty much, after buying Universal Hulk almost all the afteward research has become less skeptical and more hyperbolic, not considering the obvious elephant of consistency that they used to look at in previous seasons, and if you pay attention, they don't have this lax nature when it comes to other franchices that aren't marvel or DC.

I assume you haven’t seen Dio vs Alucard and Akuma vs Shao Kahn?

 

[Tipper17]

Hot take: Goku making everyone uni is actually a good thing.

ehhhhh
kinda dubious on that Chief