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Death Battle Season Nine Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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The_Smashor said:
Seriously, though? Why on earth do people think Sinestro beats Terumi? It seems to be the common consensus, but nobody's given me actual reasons.
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To tldr it, people don’t buy the Blazblue stuff. At the very least not nearly as much as VSBW does. I personally have no opinion on if it’s legit or not. I just know what the others disbelieve.
 
Wouldn’t surprise me if Kyle beat Simon. Green Lantern Rings have been accumulating tons of abilities and resistances since 1959 so for all I know Kyle has counters and resistances to all of Simon’s powers.

Also big rip if White Lantern Kyle actually scales to DC’s whole cosmological structure

The_Smashor said:
Seriously, though? Why on earth do people think Sinestro beats Terumi? It seems to be the common consensus, but nobody's given me actual reasons.
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Sinestro is at most Multi+ from my knowledge it’s a solid DC L. Unless off-site communities view our BlazBlue stats as wonky?
 
When you have one character composited (Manga/Anime), with highly extrapolated feats, and a fan backing it up, while other is being analyzed with "character and in-world reasonings" to remove abilities, it sounds pretty straightfoward to you aren't being balanced.
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Is it strange I hear weeps from Carnage and Venom?

The problems with comics being in character versus debates are mainly consistencies. Like this year the author thinks a character gets these feats at these standings and the other authors in the same team may think otherwise and base their characters on another set of abilities and standings, even if the said characters are in the same continuity.

Say, if Scarlet Witch is that strong, why is she not soloing Thanos and why Thanos even bother finding Infinity Stones? Or if Zatanna is that strong is she actually soloing Darkseid without Batman using a radion gun or Superman using a Life Equation?

The_Smashor said:
Seriously, though? Why on earth do people think Sinestro beats Terumi? It seems to be the common consensus, but nobody's given me actual reasons.
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Long story short: scalings in Scarlet Witch vs Zatanna make Sinestro comparable to Green Lantern, who shares the same power as Zatanna, who is at least 6-D(?), possibly outerversal. Rendering Terumi's hax wall meaningless.
 
“Long story short: scalings in Scarlet Witch vs Zatanna make Sinestro comparable to Green Lantern, who shares the same power as Zatanna, who is at least 6-D(?), possibly outerversal. Rendering Terumi's hax wall meaningless.”

That’s not it. They don’t have Sinestro anywhere near outer. Or any normal Lantern for that matter. At best, peak Kyle and current John (for like at best another month) hit that level.
 
The_real_cal_howard said:
We’re nitpicky as hell here. Context is rarely the problem. The Imperiex feat is a prime example since you brought it up before. Imperiex’s buffed state scales above his Big Bang by a significant amount, if his.
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I do argue the opposite, we are almost no nitpicky when it comes to feats, powerscaling, abilities and calcs, I mean we literally had a thread a while back trying to remove the need to take into account the collateral damage of KE calcs, that would have been a middle finger to accuracy.

I also never said anything about Imperiex.

So in other words…blame fiction. Writers don’t know math is a known trope. They don’t think they’re as strong as they made em. Look at Danny Phantom when Butch Hartman watch that death battle. And when asked if Devil Hulk was some level of strength , a writer said “a planet maybe?”
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Writers don't need to know math to know their character power level, they only need to know at what level they consistently work at, really.

Bullsh*t. I read more comics than most of those anti-comics dudes, evidenced by the fact that they think that most of these heroes work on Dragon Ball logic where all their conflict revolves around power levels.
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But do you know something that is not power levels.
Do you know which are the most popular and beloved stories in comics for instance.
Do you know who are the most popular and best writers in comics history?

Is not specific a question, is a general question that any person that reads more comics than anti-comics guys would know.
 
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Newendigo said:
Doesn't matter if you don't care, that is bad research, math and it changes the verdict because one of the reasonings was that with Dio's AP and Speed he would get rid of Alucard.
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it doesn't Dio hold the Ap advantage no matter what the only thing it changes that it won't be as easy
Newendigo said:
How it goes against his powerset? The only thing that would affect him would be the absorption of souls, but he still has all his other abilities and equipment.

Why it matters if it took him years to have that in this fight? You composited Dio here, making it have his Stand and Vampire abilities simultaneously, why not the same for Alucard if you are going to go "high-end" for the other opponent?
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We don't know considering the dude lost his Guns and shit the only he gotten out of it was keeping Schrodinger and Dio is literally never said to have lost his part 1 vampire powers
 
“I do argue the opposite, we are almost no nitpicky when it comes to feats, powerscaling, abilities and calcs, I mean we literally had a thread a while back trying to remove the need to take into account the collateral damage of KE calcs, that would have been a middle finger to accuracy.”

this is very much VSBW bias speaking. This is the same site that calls pretty much everything beyond the status quo for a character an outlier. And yes, the fact that you’d take a character outright throwing a bowling ball at say, a third of the speed of light and it not leveling a town as “not a feat” is a bad thing.

“Do you know which are the most popular and beloved stories in comics for instance.
Do you know who are the most popular and best writers in comics history?”

Of course. I know both, the most beloved and the reviled ones. Both for writers and stories. For every “Death of Gwen Stacy” there’s a “One More Day.” For every “The Human Race” there’s a “Heroes In Crisis.” For every Donny Cates there’s a Dan Didio.
 
EJthe24th said:
Hey, I have a question: Is there any strong argument of Simon beating Kyle?
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  1. Most folks are under the impression that White Lantern Kyle is Multiversal+ at best while Simon is 11D, meaning Simon is more powerful by multiple levels of infinity
  2. Simon’s higher dimensional physiology means Kyle’s hax can’t affect him if he doesn’t have sufficient Range.
  3. Probability Manipulation / Probability altering missiles
Though with ZvW’s revelation that it’s possible to scale some DC heroes to DC’s “Omniversal” cosmology, if White Lantern Kyle can reasonably be given the same treatment he would win.
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
  1. Most folks are under the impression that White Lantern Kyle is Multiversal+ at best while Simon is 11D, meaning Simon is more powerful by multiple levels of infinity
  2. Simon’s higher dimensional physiology means Kyle’s hax can’t affect him if he doesn’t have sufficient Range.
  3. Probability Manipulation / Probability altering missiles
Though with ZvW’s revelation that it’s possible to scale some DC heroes to DC’s “Omniversal” cosmology, if White Lantern Kyle can reasonably be given the same treatment he would win.
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Hm. So White Lantern could scale to Zantanna's level of power. That doesn't fill me with confidence.
 
I also find it pretty…what’s a good word for it, trying, when people are all critical of comic verses, being all like “this is wank, this X level feat is like three tiers too high and that’s being generous, this other feat is an outlier” and so easily turn around to a non-comic franchise—normally some anime or anime adjacent—and accept pretty much everything without a second thought, especially if it results in a comic loss. “Terumi is easily 5D with a wall of hax! Simon is 11D, no questions asked! Raidou’s cosmology is soooo much bigger than comics! Seiya is infinite multiversal at the very least with speeds surpassing light at a magnitude with 60 zeroes at the end!”
 
The_Smashor said:
Not really. Outerversal actually means something. What the **** does "Omniversal" even mean?
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It is literally just as made up of a term. Google “define outerversal” and the entire first page is gonna be vs shit.
Also grammatically, Omni is a better prefix than outer, as “encompassing all” makes wayyy more sense than “outside of all”
 
Thats it, I've been holding it for long enough.

Yes, Bieber vs Black is THE WORST MU because it ***** on real people.

But as an shitpost ep its fine.

In fact, I like it more than MvS2. At least its Dorkly fight done right and is way funnier.

And the recent stigma it has gotten from community... pfffft. I dont believe it. This is the community that send death threats over Galaxia & Macho-Man. I refuse to believe that many people are actually disgusted by it, even though its justified. Not DB community.
 
The_real_cal_howard said:
“Terumi is easily 5D with a wall of hax! Simon is 11D, no questions asked! Raidou’s cosmology is soooo much bigger than comics! Seiya is infinite multiversal at the very least with speeds surpassing light at a magnitude with 60 zeroes at the end!”
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Terumi, Simon, Raidou and Seiya don't have decades of anti-feats, cal. The big difference maker here is anti-feats.
 
The_real_cal_howard said:
Shadow vs Mewtwo is very up there, if we’re not counting season one stuff. But Subzero vs Glacius is easily the most forgettable episode for me.
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Shadow vs Mewtwo was very short and bland fight. Mewtwo just wiped Shadow's memories and instantly won. Blake vs Mikasa was awful also, bad animation (this was 2021, the year we got Saitama vs Popeye and Yoda vs Mickey in it, stellar 3d animation) and annoying soundtrack. At least we got Iron Fist vs Po and Steven vs Star, 2 of my favourite episodes from the last season after that.
 
Terumi, Raidou, and Seiya all have a ton of anti-feats (if people treated them the same as they do comics, there’d be “why aren’t they destroying planets left and right?”), and Simon’s is vague as hell. Even then that’s not my point. Y’all go into comics expecting to pick apart everything, but the minute something eastern pulls equal levels of bullshit, and yes, once you hit cosmic, it’s all the same level of bullshit narratively, there’s less grains of salt taken than a freshwater aquarium.
 
Crowman123 said:
and annoying soundtrack.
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Woah, we do not disrespect Thunder Shroud in this household. That shit slaps.
The_real_cal_howard said:
Terumi, Raidou, and Seiya all have a ton of anti-feats (if people treated them the same as they do comics, there’d be “why aren’t they destroying planets left and right?”), and Simon’s is vague as hell. Even then that’s not my point. Y’all go into comics expecting to pick apart everything, but the minute something eastern pulls equal levels of bullshit, and yes, once you hit cosmic, it’s all the same level of bullshit narratively, there’s less grains of salt taken than a freshwater aquarium.
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Nice straw man.

Nobody cares that they aren't destroying planets left and right. But when Superman explicitly not holding back can't even make a dent on the earth and then one shots someone with Darkseid's powers in the same issue, shit's bullshit.

Tell me what their anti-feats are, Cal. Tell me.
 
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