Death Battle Season Eight Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Basically, Kyle recreation a small scale of the source wall

Anyway, Archie Nerds what are Archie Knuckles key Haxes?

As Super/Hyper/Chaos Knuckles, he has an open link to the Chaos Force, granting access to these abilities via powerscaling:

• Reality Warping: The effects of Chaos Control can be molded into manipulating and reshaping reality in a multitude of manners. Stated to be "a more direct version of dreams-to-reality", users can reshape reality in accordance to their thoughts. With enough Chaos Energy available, it is stated there is nothing users cannot accomplish, to the point where they're hyperbolically referred to as "omnipotent" and are capable of rewriting the very existence of an entire multiverse with "no limits" (Knuckles uses Reality Warping as Chaos Knuckles)
• Space-Time Manipulation: The principle application of Chaos Control is the manipulation of space-time to freeze opponents in time, teleport, BFR, ect.
  • Time Travel: Those with the power of a Chaos Emerald can use Chaos Energy to travel between different time periods (Knuckles did this himself)
  • Time Reversal: Chaos Control can be used to rewind time. After Super Sonic reverted the effects of the first Genesis Wave to restore the universe to its proper state, he rewound time by ten seconds, allowing him to avert Sally's apparent death.
• Invulnerability: The invincibility of Super Forms in the Sonic series is treated as akin to Mario’s Rainbow Star
• Possession: Skilled users of the Chaos Force are able to take control of other beings and can act/speak in their stead without any indication of such a thing happening (Knuckles himself did this)
• Sealing: Adept Chaos Force users have shown to be able to seal their enemies in either bubbles of energy or Chaos Emeralds themselves. Mammoth Mogul trapped Turbo Tails in a bubble of Chaos Energy for months. The Guardians Locke and Sabre used their command of the Chaos Force to invert the power flow of the Chaos Emeralds as Mogul was absorbing them, resulting in the soul of Master Mogul being sealed within the newly formed Master Emerald. Titan Tails later sealed Mogul in his Chaos Emerald. The Duke of Soleanna sealed Iblis in a Chaos Emerald
• Mind Manipulation: Extremely powerful Chaos Force wielders are capable of mind control, as shown when Enerjak took control of the Chaotix
• Memory Manipulation: Powerful Chaos Force users can erase memories
• Memory Manipulation (2): Chaos Energy can be used to rewrite or erase memories, with the denizens of Sonic and Mega Man's universes only remembering what Eggman wanted them to remember after the Genesis Wave.
• Existence Erasure: Chaos Energy can be used to erase enemies from reality, as Doctor Eggman and Wily planned to do with the Super Genesis Wave.
• Matter Manipulation: Chaos Energy can manipulate the particles that make up matter, from disassembling and reassembling people and objects on a molecular level to altering the atomic structure of objects by controlling the bond of local atoms. It is also stated that the Super Genesis Wave rewrote the molecular makeup of everyone in reality.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I assume Juggernaut will be treated as “unstoppable” and Super Knuckles will be treated as “invincible”, so I wonder who’d overcome who in a head-on fight if they go that route

 

[Tipper17]

As Super/Hyper/Chaos Knuckles, he has an open link to the Chaos Force, granting access to these abilities via powerscaling:

• Reality Warping: The effects of Chaos Control can be molded into manipulating and reshaping reality in a multitude of manners. Stated to be "a more direct version of dreams-to-reality", users can reshape reality in accordance to their thoughts. With enough Chaos Energy available, it is stated there is nothing users cannot accomplish, to the point where they're hyperbolically referred to as "omnipotent" and are capable of rewriting the very existence of an entire multiverse with "no limits" (Knuckles uses Reality Warping as Chaos Knuckles)
• Space-Time Manipulation: The principle application of Chaos Control is the manipulation of space-time to freeze opponents in time, teleport, BFR, ect.
  • Time Travel: Those with the power of a Chaos Emerald can use Chaos Energy to travel between different time periods (Knuckles did this himself)
  • Time Reversal: Chaos Control can be used to rewind time. After Super Sonic reverted the effects of the first Genesis Wave to restore the universe to its proper state, he rewound time by ten seconds, allowing him to avert Sally's apparent death.
• Invulnerability: The invincibility of Super Forms in the Sonic series is treated as akin to Mario’s Rainbow Star
• Possession: Skilled users of the Chaos Force are able to take control of other beings and can act/speak in their stead without any indication of such a thing happening (Knuckles himself did this)
• Sealing: Adept Chaos Force users have shown to be able to seal their enemies in either bubbles of energy or Chaos Emeralds themselves. Mammoth Mogul trapped Turbo Tails in a bubble of Chaos Energy for months. The Guardians Locke and Sabre used their command of the Chaos Force to invert the power flow of the Chaos Emeralds as Mogul was absorbing them, resulting in the soul of Master Mogul being sealed within the newly formed Master Emerald. Titan Tails later sealed Mogul in his Chaos Emerald. The Duke of Soleanna sealed Iblis in a Chaos Emerald
• Mind Manipulation: Extremely powerful Chaos Force wielders are capable of mind control, as shown when Enerjak took control of the Chaotix
• Memory Manipulation: Powerful Chaos Force users can erase memories
• Memory Manipulation (2): Chaos Energy can be used to rewrite or erase memories, with the denizens of Sonic and Mega Man's universes only remembering what Eggman wanted them to remember after the Genesis Wave.
• Existence Erasure: Chaos Energy can be used to erase enemies from reality, as Doctor Eggman and Wily planned to do with the Super Genesis Wave.
• Matter Manipulation: Chaos Energy can manipulate the particles that make up matter, from disassembling and reassembling people and objects on a molecular level to altering the atomic structure of objects by controlling the bond of local atoms. It is also stated that the Super Genesis Wave rewrote the molecular makeup of everyone in reality.

Respect The Unstoppable Juggernaut (60's to 2000 Complete Respect Thread) - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine

He's 2 big, 2 powerfulIntroductionJuggernaut is great! CV seems to have a perception of him that's very warped: usually in how he's became a bit of a

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going by this it may be much closer in AP But Knuckles should win thanks to Hax such as

Time Travel
Possesion
Mind Manipulation if he gets the helmet off him
Sealing

 

[Tipper17]

Anyways given Chad and Josh are down for the fight to happen and Ben being interested as well for it as well

so my guess for how they go with the stats
Juggs-Uni-Maybe Multi+ Range and MFTL Speed
Knuckles-Multiversal+and Immeasurable
Hax:Knux, Juggs could resist some of Knux Haxes such as EE but ones like Possesion,Time Travel,Mind Manipulation and Sealing should be good to drop Marko

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Hey guys, what do you guys think of Shinjiro Aragaki(Persona) vs Mami Tomoe(Madoka Magica)?

 

[Kirbonic_Pikmin]

Anyways given Chad and Josh are down for the fight to happen and Ben being interested as well for it as well

so my guess for how they go with the stats
Juggs-Uni-Maybe Multi+ Range and MFTL Speed
Knuckles-Multiversal+and Immeasurable
Hax:Knux, Juggs could resist some of Knux Haxes such as EE but ones like Possesion,Time Travel,Mind Manipulation and Sealing should be good to drop Marko

I think Knux is a relatively clear cut win for that one. Not as close as Sonic v Wally but still has enough going on to remain interesting.

Plus more Archie representation is always good imo, and considering they're unlikely to use another Archie character after Knuckles (I dont see them pulling Scourge, Archie Shadow or Archie Tails tbh) it'll be nice for the franchise to get a win (It'll be a nice bone to the seething side of me who still thinks Archie Sonic should've ended the streak).

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Ah shit, Chaos vs Lapis lazuli is technically thematic

• Hydrokinetic beings that were initially angry and vengeful due to being sealed for thousands of years before being pacified by the main protagonist with the power of friendship. Also they’re both related to gemstones ig

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

I think Knux is a relatively clear cut win for that one. Not as close as Sonic v Wally but still has enough going on to remain interesting.

Plus more Archie representation is always good imo, and considering they're unlikely to use another Archie character after Knuckles (I dont see them pulling Scourge, Archie Shadow or Archie Tails tbh) it'll be nice for the franchise to get a win (It'll be a nice bone to the seething side of me who still thinks Archie Sonic should've ended the streak).

Out of curiosity, do the other Archie characters have matchups, I’d be interested in seeing shadow and silver

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ok, hear me out, but what if they did a battle Royale between all soulsborne main protags?

 

[The_Smashor]

Out of curiosity, do the other Archie characters have matchups, I’d be interested in seeing shadow and silver

Shadow and Silver have limited differences compared to their game counterparts.

IMO Shard the Metal Sonic vs Proto Man is the next best Archie matchup after Knuckles vs Juggernaut, though it's kind of a stomp unless you give Proto Man archie scaling himself.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Shadow and Silver have limited differences compared to their game counterparts.

IMO Shard the Metal Sonic vs Proto Man is the next best Archie matchup after Knuckles vs Juggernaut, though it's kind of a stomp unless you give Proto Man archie scaling himself.

What about Enerjak?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Anyone know any characters with a cosmic power level who are suicidal/mentally ill?

 

[The_Smashor]

What about Enerjak?

Enerjak vs Onslaught is pretty good too.

Honestly, beyond Sonic, Tails and Knuckles, there aren't many Archie characters worth using beyond the original ones.

 

[The_Smashor]

Anyone know any characters with a cosmic power level who are suicidal/mentally ill?

Debatably the Mother Computer from Luminous Avenger iX 2, though her cosmic power is debatable and not applicable to her normal amount of power.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Ah shit, Chaos vs Lapis lazuli is technically thematic

• Hydrokinetic beings that were initially angry and vengeful due to being sealed for thousands of years before being pacified by the main protagonist with the power of friendship. Also they’re both related to gemstones ig

Still prefer Flame Princess Vs Lapis Lazuli tbh

 

[TMaakkonen]

Wasnt Enerjak Knux essentially just Super Knux, but using his powers differently after being told by Finitevius how to do it? I feel like adding those powers would make Archie Knux more different and bring more abilities.

 

[Loh67867]

Out of curiosity, do the other Archie characters have matchups, I’d be interested in seeing shadow and silver

There are Scourge vs Xeno Turles and Enerjak vs Onslaught/Savanti Romero
I'm trying to find the best Archie MU for pretty much every important character in the comics, don't know yet about Archie Shadow and Silver tho, i guess Xeno Vegeta and Xeno Trunks, but that sounds kinda lame

 

[TMaakkonen]

Archie Knux, Scrouge and maaaybe Naugus & Mogul are only ones worth it.

FFs too I guess, but I doubt they have good fights.

 

[Tipper17]

Let's see
As far as worthwhile Archie Reps goes we have
Archie Knuckles
Scourge
Enerjak
Sally Acorn
Possible ones like Nagus and Mogul

Archie Tails could be suggested but the latter has no one

 

[Tipper17]

think Knux is a relatively clear cut win for that one. Not as close as Sonic v Wally but still has enough going on to remain interesting.

I think it is as well
Juggs doesn't come close to Multi level's in modern era compared to his other Herald peers and tend to job like hell as well

 

[Loh67867]

Out of curiosity, do the other Archie characters have matchups, I’d be interested in seeing shadow and silver

I've found a pretty good MU for Archie Shadow, Adam Warlock
Connections:
Both were created by people to be the ultimate being. Both when first made were referred to as an alter name (Him and the Ultimate Lifeform) upon being unleashed their names were changed to what they are now. Both were given access to powerful destructive weapons (The Soul Gem and the Inhibitor Rings) both agreed to protect earth from deadly conquering space beings (Man Beast and Black Doom) when they came back from being rebirth, they met an alternate counterpart to themselves (Sonic and Magus) who contrast with Sonic being a kind hearted hero and Magus being an evil , insane and sadistic version of Adam Warlock. Both eventually had to rely on other power sources to defeat the space conquerors once and for all (Adam needed help from other cosmic beings and Shadow had to go super) both villains had planned to use humans to bow down to their knees towards the aliens before the heroes stopping the villains plans. Both met a powerful being (The Ancient Traveler and Mephilis) who showed them a darker version of their future. But both heroes manage to prevent those futures from happening. Both were captured by evil beings (Eggman and Thanos) who then were used for the villains evil plans which involved taking a powerful artifact in a series where a band of heroes from the multiverse had to team up and defeat these villains (Taking the soul gem from Adam Warlock in the Infinity Gauntlet series and turning Shadow into the Roboticized Master, Shadow Man and then was sent to take a chaos emerald in the Sonic and Mega Man series) and both were involved with brain washing plot lines (Shadow being brainwashed by Eclipse and Black Death and Adam trying to get Maxam his Memories back)

 

[Tipper17]

I've found a pretty good MU for Archie Shadow, Adam Warlock
Connections:
Both were created by people to be the ultimate being. Both when first made were referred to as an alter name (Him and the Ultimate Lifeform) upon being unleashed their names were changed to what they are now. Both were given access to powerful destructive weapons (The Soul Gem and the Inhibitor Rings) both agreed to protect earth from deadly conquering space beings (Man Beast and Black Doom) when they came back from being rebirth, they met an alternate counterpart to themselves (Sonic and Magus) who contrast with Sonic being a kind hearted hero and Magus being an evil , insane and sadistic version of Adam Warlock. Both eventually had to rely on other power sources to defeat the space conquerors once and for all (Adam needed help from other cosmic beings and Shadow had to go super) both villains had planned to use humans to bow down to their knees towards the aliens before the heroes stopping the villains plans. Both met a powerful being (The Ancient Traveler and Mephilis) who showed them a darker version of their future. But both heroes manage to prevent those futures from happening. Both were captured by evil beings (Eggman and Thanos) who then were used for the villains evil plans which involved taking a powerful artifact in a series where a band of heroes from the multiverse had to team up and defeat these villains (Taking the soul gem from Adam Warlock in the Infinity Gauntlet series and turning Shadow into the Roboticized Master, Shadow Man and then was sent to take a chaos emerald in the Sonic and Mega Man series) and both were involved with brain washing plot lines (Shadow being brainwashed by Eclipse and Black Death and Adam trying to get Maxam his Memories back)

I remember seeing this in the Discord servers

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Adam seems even less known than The Sentry

 

[Loh67867]

Adam seems even less known than The Sentry

I heard he'll get into MCU next year, so his popularity will probably change

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Sentry wasnt in any media either besides comics

 

[Seventy96]

How would you react, if there were both Tetsuo vs Mewtwo and Magneto vs Accelerator in the season 9?

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Thoughts about Diavolo vs Giovanni?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Thoughts about Diavolo vs Giovanni?

Diavolo wonders if this is part 7-9 Giorno and if he gets death looped again

 

[Tipper17]

I heard he'll get into MCU next year, so his popularity will probably change

Depends on how they handle him that's the key thing

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Adam Warlock was in the Guardians of the Galaxy game where he was the final boss as his dark form, Magus. Crushes a planet to assert dominance, just because.


Also, Mantis is amazing in that game.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[The_Smashor]

I've found a pretty good MU for Archie Shadow, Adam Warlock
Connections:
Both were created by people to be the ultimate being. Both when first made were referred to as an alter name (Him and the Ultimate Lifeform) upon being unleashed their names were changed to what they are now. Both were given access to powerful destructive weapons (The Soul Gem and the Inhibitor Rings) both agreed to protect earth from deadly conquering space beings (Man Beast and Black Doom) when they came back from being rebirth, they met an alternate counterpart to themselves (Sonic and Magus) who contrast with Sonic being a kind hearted hero and Magus being an evil , insane and sadistic version of Adam Warlock. Both eventually had to rely on other power sources to defeat the space conquerors once and for all (Adam needed help from other cosmic beings and Shadow had to go super) both villains had planned to use humans to bow down to their knees towards the aliens before the heroes stopping the villains plans. Both met a powerful being (The Ancient Traveler and Mephilis) who showed them a darker version of their future. But both heroes manage to prevent those futures from happening. Both were captured by evil beings (Eggman and Thanos) who then were used for the villains evil plans which involved taking a powerful artifact in a series where a band of heroes from the multiverse had to team up and defeat these villains (Taking the soul gem from Adam Warlock in the Infinity Gauntlet series and turning Shadow into the Roboticized Master, Shadow Man and then was sent to take a chaos emerald in the Sonic and Mega Man series) and both were involved with brain washing plot lines (Shadow being brainwashed by Eclipse and Black Death and Adam trying to get Maxam his Memories back)

I've also heard Godspeed for Shadow, but that just seems like Sonic vs Flash but they're the rivals.

 

[Tipper17]

Here's a lil gem for you guys From Brandon

 

[Kontororou]

Here's a lil gem for you guys From Brandon

So, what're the most obvious candidates for a vocal track?

 

[Jasonsith]

Here's a lil gem for you guys From Brandon

Looks like I am kept out from the guessing game. Unless someone realises I should be in.

Well... are Therewolf Media among the members in the Brandon Yates Discord or Death Battle Discord? If I have to guess they will likely be one of those.

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No one talks about this eh



Someone commissions Yamcha vs Sayaka Miki and gets accepted.

 

[Loh67867]

I've also heard Godspeed for Shadow, but that just seems like Sonic vs Flash but they're the rivals.

Yeah, it's not good

 

[Loh67867]

There are also mod. gen's custom sprites for Knuckles which they used in DK vs Knuckles, imho they're really good and they can use them again

 

[Tipper17]

So, what're the most obvious candidates for a vocal track?

As far as teased MU Goes
Tanjiro vs Jonathan
Thor vs Vegeta
That's it

 

[Seventy96]

As far as teased MU Goes
Tanjiro vs Jonathan
Thor vs Vegeta
That's it

Tetsuo MU

 

[RiloKileyFan]

honestly i can see most of the teased MU having vocals, except for Wantanna and the Boba Fett fight