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Death Battle Season Eight Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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StekFence said:
What about pheonix ikki. Both him and Jiren abandoned friendship and stuff for power temporarily, are extremely powerful, even compared to the mcs, heat based stuff, were antagonists for a bit, but eventually become nicer to the mcs. Plus, they would have a funny size difference cos ikkis a teen-young adult, and Jiren is this huge tall guy
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Not bad but Ikki been suggested for the phoenix jean gray
 
Also if Aizen does cast perfect hypnosis on Madara what's stopping him from just making him think he used sharingan but actually never switch out of Renigan.
Also Also the way they justified Madara being able to break out of Aizens bind seams a bit of a leap. Like the feat they used was from scaling was of Sasuke breaking out of one of Itachi's Tsukuyomi, my problem with this is the upper limit of the Tsukuyomi they used was of something Itachi did during his prime to an individual who wasn't trying to fight back against the gengustu while his fight with Sasuke was during a period of time when Itachi was almost at death door and was holding back because it was his brother. Aizen's ability would be more comperable to something like Kotoamatsukami or perhaps the Ketsuryugan, which the former was never shown to be able to be broken and the later (from what a understand) could only be broken by an adult Sasuke (one who should be on a whole other level then Madara) and even he struggled with it's. IDK kinda seems like a bit of a no limits fallacy.
 
But he should atleast be able to understand the motive behind an action else his illusions wouldn't logically work.
Also the next part is an actual point/argument, the first bit was me just spit balling a thought.
 
Theburgerking11 said:
how big will the DBS universe be when Jiren shows up?

I just want to see the line-up for next season. 20 episodes season I hope.
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Jiren doesn't really scale from the beerus and goku clash. He would scale directly to ui goku who shook an infinite void. Giving jiren nearly infinite power?
I think they would just put him above what they scaled for broly.
 
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Tots_Real said:
Also Also the way they justified Madara being able to break out of Aizens bind seams a bit of a leap. Like the feat they used was from scaling was of Sasuke breaking out of one of Itachi's Tsukuyomi, my problem with this is the upper limit of the Tsukuyomi they used was of something Itachi did during his prime to an individual who wasn't trying to fight back against the gengustu while his fight with Sasuke was during a period of time when Itachi was almost at death door and was holding back because it was his brother. Aizen's ability would be more comperable to something like Kotoamatsukami or perhaps the Ketsuryugan, which the former was never shown to be able to be broken and the later (from what a understand) could only be broken by an adult Sasuke (one who should be on a whole other level then Madara) and even he struggled with it's. IDK kinda seems like a bit of a no limits fallacy.
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This is a hasty generalization.

There's zero evidence suggesting Itachi's Tsukuyomi has different potency at different points in time. Like, are you also gonna say his amaterasu wasn't as hot/can't bypass durability, or totsuka blade's sealing was of lower in potency as well? The health argument can only be applied to his stamina and physical abilities, not hax (as that's what's shown and stated in the story). Even without the feat from when he first got his mangekyou; he also manipulated Kakashi's sense of time, and basically put him in a coma until Tsunade could fix him up; and that's Itachi while going easy on Kakashi. (Also, reminder that Kakashi has resistance to genjutsu via his own sharingan)

It's not NLF to assume someone who's been suggested to break out of sensory manipulation, could break out of aizen's sensory manipulation.
 
You don't even need to get in depth with the scalings
TSB doesn't null regen it stops jutsu from functioning
TSB shouldn't even have soul destroying properties even if it did doesn't put aizen down when the bleach verse already has already demonstrated soul destruction and has way better feats and scaling.
Edo madara would've perished if Aizen zanpakuto(soul cutter) hit him once
did DB address how madara soul and body didn't get EE'd once Aizen reached any level after chrysalis stage?
did they even mention reikaku the shinigamis sixth/spiritual sense?
and iirc even with the sharingan u can still be placed under illusions and you personally need to break out of it, ironic they didn't give aizen his muken form when kyoka becomes a passive and he can cast hado 90 instantly with the spacetime atomisation effects.
not my stance but if you take the highball interpretation of kyoka working against Yhwach, madara illusion resistance becomes fodder.
also if you know anything about genjustu unequalise energy and it becomes moot.
i've mentioned it before but "normie scaling" aka DB: just make there stats relative, madara has more versatility and hax he wins don't elaborate further on there mechanics or how they operate like that makes me appreciate this site so much more.
 
Soulgizmo said:
Jiren doesn't really scale from the beerus and goku clash. He would scale directly to ui goku who shook an infinite void. Giving jiren nearly infinite power?
I think they would just put him above what they scaled for broly.
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They said broly was the strongest being fought at the time and shown jiren shaking the void and zamasu universe merging to show how he is above characters with such power
 
Their statement about the match-up (this is from late September of last year):

Chad: "We should do Popeye."
Ben: "Absolutely. I would love to do a Popeye episode. I've seen Popeye vs Saitama suggested several times. I don't necessarily know if that's the best match-up for both of them, I'd actually love to hear from you guys (the chat) about that if this seems like the best because obviously Saitama has more to him then what we just talked about (one-shotting Boros' planet busting attack). It's possible this match-up is a lot closer than we're saying right now, if this seems like the match-up for both those characters let us know on Twitter, I'd love to hear about it but if there is a better match-up- because I want to bring both of these characters into Death Battle but both of them are so tricky."
Chad: "Yeah Saitama is very tricky we've talked about that so many times."
 
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