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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

XXBenShapiroXx said:
I deadass almost got roped into buying an arguement with roblox as it's basis wtf is this community doing 😭💀
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Yeah. The Roblox game is canon. It's crazy. We got Metal with canon speed steal meaning Bowser's troops speed advantage is moot, we got Eggman with a RESET button that can rebirth the universe, we got the Time Stones having actual feats. It's crazy.
 
Like everyday I watch this debate evolve as they discover some obscure Bowser army peon with hyper specific hax that unironically counters or gives him an advantage.

Next day, f'ing roblox scaling for Eggman evens the playing field

Day after that, another hyper obscure Bowser peon is unearthed like some ancient fossil again

Now most of the posts I see as of late are just memes about suspiciously chaos emerald shaped Kamek, he ated them, and Bowser and Eggman giving each other backshots (I genuinely wish I was kidding)
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Ngl I'm split on Eggman vs Bowser. Like I genuinely don't know who wins, I've seen endless back and forths on how their abilities interact, I've seen some compelling arguements against Sonic scaling as high as this site has it, I've seen fuckling Roblox be mentioned unironically.

Atp all I'm going with 'who wins?' 'Depends on if your asking a Sonic or Mario fan'.

The fallout for this going be generational
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Personally, I'm on the fence, but a bit confused.

Why do we think Bowser has a chance??
Is it purely because DB's match isn't going by our standards?

Like, 1 of the more obvious points is: How can they deal with Sage, theoretically or otherwise?

If you wanna go for bonus points, let's say explain how Bowser's side wins with only stuff already on the profiles. No extrapolating or speculating about what DB will do.
Completely Watsonian (Rather than Doylist.) explanation, sort of, you know?
 
BlackDarkness679 said:
How it became canon? Also the fact fan made stuff gets acknowledged is crazy, especially with buffs it comes
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So basically from the beginning it was made by Sonic Devs in collaboration with Sega, and it started off as a goofy game to bring additional hype for either the 1st or the 2nd movie iirc.

Over time, the Sega and the developers of the game began to take it more seriously and add legitimate storylines to events that unlock new characters. Additionally, the developers were given insight on a canon explanation as to HOW the game is even part of the franchise more recently (leading to a frenzy). That being: it's using the multiverse to explain why there can be more than 1 character per lobby, and it's the World Rings teleporting the characters to the game world.
 
Imaginym said:
Personally, I'm on the fence, but a bit confused.

Why do we think Bowser has a chance??
Is it purely because DB's match isn't going by our standards?

Like, 1 of the more obvious points is: How can they deal with Sage, theoretically or otherwise?

If you wanna go for bonus points, let's say explain how Bowser's side wins with only stuff already on the profiles. No extrapolating or speculating about what DB will do.
Completely Watsonian (Rather than Doylist.) explanation, sort of, you know?
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Death Battle has different interpretations of their scaling. You can agree or disagree, but them having different scaling isn't automatically grounds to dismiss them. As I've said, I've heard compelling arguements for them to be equal in stats. Whether DB themselves has that solid of argumentation is yet to be seen.

This site can be ass sometimes for some verses, and heaven for others
 
TartaChocholate said:
Does... Sonic just incorporate into its canon pretty much everything that happens to be Sonic related they come across?
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As of now, yes. Takashi Iizuka stated a few years ago how he intends to have one unified Sonic canon, with only stuff like the movies not taking place in the same universe, but now with the multiverse they don't need to "not be canon" anymore (Even more with the Shadow Generations DLC).

In a way, is a feeling that always existed. Back then in the early Sonic Japanese canon there were multiple worlds already, different stories taking place in different worlds and times, and Sonic existed in all of them. Back then Sonic was treated as this higher-dimensional being beyond space-time that could freely more across anywhere anywhen and existed as a singular entity in all universes or something like that, Sonic was always sonic no matter where, no matter when.

That lore was never used again directly, but if they ever wanted to use it again, they could :LOL: (I particularly like this early fairy-tale like nature of Sonic's Japanese stories).
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Death Battle has different interpretations of their scaling. You can agree or disagree, but them having different scaling isn't automatically grounds to dismiss them.
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When the question is "What reasons could DB make Bowser (Or any one side, really.) win for?", them using different scaling seems like a pretty reasonable answer.

We'd probably have Eggman win via tiering & abilities, especially with Sage, & Eggman's mooks scaling to Sonic, no?
But DB AtM, seems like they'd have it be more of a toss-up.

& either way my question was:
Imaginym said:
Why do we think Bowser has a chance??
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It may seem like a toss-up, but what if they AGREE with us, contrary to expectations?
That's the concern.
It really could just be an overwhelming Eggman sweep, & they've changed their ways on Sonic scaling.

Obviously a different community powerscales differently than we do.

But I don't think that "They think differently." is explanation enough. Vs Debating is DEBATING.
It is arguments!

What, if any are the arguments to say that Bowser can win despite the things brought up against his favor? Assumptions about how another debater may think isn't much of an answer to me.
The facts are in the media, hence my seeking of a Watsonian answer here.
 
Imaginym said:
Funnily enough, 1 of the most underdocumented feats in Mario is the Metal Mushroom.

Specifically, the version that appears in Mario Party 5 (I think?), 6 & 7.

Besides making the user metal, it makes them immune to traps, shown as the character literally fighting away the trap's attacks.
Knocking away Amps (Which use Electricity.), Podoboos (Fireballs.), falling Spiny Shells, headbutting a falling Thwomp to send it flying, etc.

It's a neat display of skill, maybe meant to homage the Metal Cap from SM64 that grants invincibility.

IT'S JUST A SHAME THAT NOBODY DOCUMENTS IT.

To see those animations, you need to use to roll well enough to pass an opponent's placed Roadblack Trap (Red Orbs only; Yellow don't matter, & Green & Blue Orbs usually don't affect spaces.) on the same turn that you use it.
& since its only functional effect is immunity to Traps that usually only take away a few coins.... Well, it doesn't see use very often. : (

It's a shame, since it's probably a nice amp (Aligns with how Metal Bowser is at least heavier in MP2.) for Boo & Koopa Kid at least (Playable in the GC MP trio.), as well as Dry Bones from MP7. Since again, normally a Thwomp can crush a character flying, but Metal Form characters utterly overwhelm it.


I wonder if the fodder get anything similar via coins.
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I doubt he'd have enough for his whole army and they are temporary stuff
 
Imaginym said:
When the question is "What reasons could DB make Bowser (Or any one side, really.) win for?", them using different scaling seems like a pretty reasonable answer.

We'd probably have Eggman win via tiering & abilities, especially with Sage, & Eggman's mooks scaling to Sonic, no?
But DB AtM, seems like they'd have it be more of a toss-up.

& either way my question was:

It may seem like a toss-up, but what if they AGREE with us, contrary to expectations?
That's the concern.
It really could just be an overwhelming Eggman sweep, & they've changed their ways on Sonic scaling.

Obviously a different community powerscales differently than we do.

But I don't think that "They think differently." is explanation enough. Vs Debating is DEBATING.
It is arguments!

What, if any are the arguments to say that Bowser can win despite the things brought up against his favor? Assumptions about how another debater may think isn't much of an answer to me.
The facts are in the media, hence my seeking of a Watsonian answer here.
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Well, it's kind of part of the whole deal that different communities have vastly different consesus on the same thing. For all we know, they might actually agree with us on Eggman but also think that Bowser is vastly more powerful than we do, or disagree altogether with all the stuff we give Sonic and give a lot of stuff to Bowser. We really won't know until the episode.
 
Imaginym said:
When the question is "What reasons could DB make Bowser (Or any one side, really.) win for?", them using different scaling seems like a pretty reasonable answer.

We'd probably have Eggman win via tiering & abilities, especially with Sage, & Eggman's mooks scaling to Sonic, no?
But DB AtM, seems like they'd have it be more of a toss-up.

& either way my question was:

It may seem like a toss-up, but what if they AGREE with us, contrary to expectations?
That's the concern.
It really could just be an overwhelming Eggman sweep, & they've changed their ways on Sonic scaling.

Obviously a different community powerscales differently than we do.

But I don't think that "They think differently." is explanation enough. Vs Debating is DEBATING.
It is arguments!

What, if any are the arguments to say that Bowser can win despite the things brought up against his favor? Assumptions about how another debater may think isn't much of an answer to me.
The facts are in the media, hence my seeking of a Watsonian answer here.
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I mean if they agree with us then they will probably say Eggman wins. There isn't a ton of Mario fans in this thread to push back against what Sonic fans are saying.

We literally just have to wait for the episode to come out.
 
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