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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

About the rematch:
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Random thought. Post Racoome Vegeta caused Frieza to exhurt more effort than him blowing up Planet Vegeta.
SSJ Bardock should have a PL of 500k
Vegeta at that time had one of 250k
 
Which of these leakers have provided reliable information so far?

Don't the leaks seem contradictory with the G1 Blog? & what relevance to DB does the G1 blog hold, other than providing thorough analysis?
 
ZeedKZ said:
Omni-Man won. Sun disk was indeed a factor here (it was considered 1/2 the size of the Star). Bardock does trillions of c and is faster than Omni-Man. Bardock got Super Saiyan and Oozaru. Reasoning from the outcome is, even though Omni-Man was a thousand times slower than Bardock, the latter couldn't close the gap in power. They did not scale Super Saiyan Bardock to First Form Frieza, rather just used it as a normal multiplier. Planet Vegeta value didn't got higher than Ronnatons.
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Haven't been keeping up, but what is the sun disk feat? I don't call what that is.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Haven't been keeping up, but what is the sun disk feat? I don't call what that is.
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Linked in the G1 Blog:

Imgur linking being dumb.
Edit: It seems like auto-preview was making the forum assume only the 1st word after the Imgur.com/a/ was part of the url, & ignoring the dashes & what follows.
Man, I really hate how dumb our auto-preview is sometimes.

Alternatively, read this long excerpt from the G1 Blog:

What the HELL is up with the Sun Disk calculations?​

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Alongside the destruction of Viltrum, a certain spatial object (That ******* sun disk that I hate - door-kun) has been a big topic of discussion when it comes to Invincible scaling over the past year or so. In issue 67, Nolan orders for some Coalition officers to move a large sun disk that’s blocking a star’s light from reaching the home planet of the Rognarrs. In response, the commander of those officers orders for the disk to be shot down, destroying it. If they had just followed Nolan’s orders, we’d never have to debate this feat, but here we are. At a glance, the feat seems like it would be very straightforward to examine. However, I’m lying, this feat is a pain to analyze from any angle.


We do not have a confirmed size of the Rognarrs’ planet, nor the star near their planet, nor the sun disk itself. The only shots we ever see of the disk are it in space blocking the sun’s light, and it being destroyed. Even then we only ever see some of its destruction, so it is still difficult to measure. Despite all these issues however, the feat is still possible to calculate, albeit very annoying to do so. After a lot of discussion, we figured out a way.


According to Nolan, the purpose of the solar disk in the context of the comic was to block out sunlight to freeze the Rognarrs. Basically causing an eternal solar eclipse around their planet, causing the planet to freeze up. To accomplish this, it does not need to be the size of a sun or something. Just big enough to block the sun’s heat. This would reduce the size of the sun disk considerably, as we can use umbra geometry to figure out how big the sun disk would actually need to be to cast a shadow over the full planet. For those who don’t know what umbra geometry is: "the fully shaded inner region of a shadow cast by an opaque object, especially the area on the earth or moon experiencing the total phase of an eclipse.".


We know the Rognarr planet is habitable, meaning it should fall in the range that Nasa deems planets to be habitable when it comes to their distance from their star. Thus, we can find a distance between the Rognarr planet and the star. We can use roche limits (how close something can be to a celestial object before being pulled towards its atmosphere) as well to determine exact distance for the disk from the planet.


Taking all this information into account, alongside umbra geometry, our self torture gets a result for the sun disk’s diameter with the final number being 131882.97842180 meters. If you want more info about the math and certain specifics, check the calculations here. So finally, with the size determined, we can determine things like the height of the disk panels and the disk’s volume. Assuming the whole thing is made of stainless steel, we can end our suffering with a result of just over 7 teratons using pulverization, and over 77 petatons using kinetic energy.


Obviously, far lower than the estimated values the disc has gotten in the past with varying assumptions, and that is acknowledged. This is a very complicated feat to calculate due to the lack of context we get about the disk’s destruction, which has led to ends as low as ours, or ends as high as quettatons. This is just one possible way of calculating it, and not necessarily a perfect one, as there were multiple aspects that we had a lot of (very painful) difficulty locking down. Overall the feat is messy and we understand if someone would be hesitant to agree with our numbers right away due to reasons A, B, or C. With that in mind, the verdict will entertain the idea of higher calculations for Nolan to cover all bases. More on that when we get there.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Haven't been keeping up, but what is the sun disk feat? I don't call what that is.
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Basically a random unnamed spaceship owned by the Coalition of Planets blew up a gigantic disc that was large enough to block out a sun.

Since Viltrumites are considered the strongest dudes in the universe/unstoppable/ect (with Nolan believing only the Scourge Virus, the Infinity Ray, and the Rognarrs are only weapons capable of stopping them), it's argued Viltrumites upscale from that unnamed ship.
 
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Maverick_Zero_X said:
Basically a random unnamed spaceship owned by the Coalition of Planets blew up a gigantic disc that was large enough to block out a sun.

Since Viltrumites are considered the strongest dudes in the universe/unstoppable/ect (with Nolan believing only the Scourge Virus, the Infinity Ray, and the Rognarrs are only weapons capable of stopping them), it's argued Viltrumites upscale from that unnamed ship.
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This ""feat"" is so bad.

Not only do you not need a disk the size of the sun (or anywhere close) to cause an eclipse on a planet, but this relies on so many assumptions.

Best part is no one moved or even touched it. You can't even calc the explosion or the KE involved. Viltrumites scale to this nothing burger because a statement that barely even correlates to a random ass ship.

The biggest reach based on the assumptions of a non-feat. I'm crying. 😭
 
0ホルスファルコン将軍0 said:
More and more people who saw the premiere are backing up what was said, bro actually did the impossible. Truly a DEATH BATTLE moment.
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It's funny cause everyone who has posted evidence at being at the event, all swear by a pact not to spoil.

But apparently multiple people are all spoiling with the tried and true, "trust me bro"

This could be the greatest troll job in DB history.
 
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