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We can implement changes for Vertigo that three staff members agree on.
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Wait a bit. I'm pretty sure Ultima has something to say about Vertigo as well.We can implement changes for Vertigo that three staff members agree on.
I think his answers will not affect the proposed changes. Moreover, a lot of time has passed...Wait a bit. I'm pretty sure Ultima has something to say about Vertigo as well.
Ok. List of characters affected by the changes:
The Presence
Lucifer Morningstar
Michael Demiurgos
Gabriel Hornblower
Mother Night
Father Time
Elaine Belloc
Mazikeen
Cestis
The Basanos
Glory of the First Circle
The City of Stars
The Endless
Swamp Thing and Hellblazer characters are currently invalid.
The 1-A changes for Vertigo have enough votes to be accepted, can you unlock the profiles listed here?Snip
Can J.M. DeMatteis cosmology be changed to 0/High1-A + now that it doesn't seem to be a problem?Yeah, go ahead with the Vertigo changes. I'm occupied with real life stuff as of late and would rather focus on getting the rest of the 1-A/High 1-A/0 queue moving. I'll tackle DC with you all at a later point if needed.
Probably doesn't have enough votes, and it was the Vertigo stuff he said doesn't have a problem. I might need to make a tally, but I think Qawsedf was the only staff member who approved everything.Can J.M. DeMatteis cosmology be changed to 0/High1-A + now that it doesn't seem to be a problem?
So that's two staff votes. Three, if you include Ant's vote a few posts down from the above one. If nothing else, Divine Presence and Mahapralaya tiers were accepted for DeMatteis Cosmology. Though, I have no problem waiting for more staff to confirm their stance.I haven't read anything outside of the OP, so, if there is anything I've missed, do tell me.
Anyhow. For DeMatteis: Yeah, the Divine Presence is obviously Tier 0. Pralaya's true form being High 1-A+ is fine by me. I don't see anything whatsoever that makes the material planes 1-A, though. The only 1-A things I see here are the metaphysical planes and the Collective Unconscious.
For Vertigo: Broadly, I can see the Dreaming and etc. being 1-A, but I have a few points of skepticism regarding them. Mostly because there are several points in which beings from the metaphysical realms go to the physical realms, and there is never really any change in them at all despite the different location. In particular, Lilith outright brings the Silver City down to the material plane in Lucifer, and the City itself started out as a construction in the normal world according to it.
Regardless, Night is certainly 1-A, yeah, as is Time. The Presence scaling to them is fine by me.
He didn't reject the High 1-A stuff. We already discussed this in private and he literally said “Yeah, I see Heaven being High 1-A.”My bad, I misread. Yeah, Ultima already approved the High 1-A+ and Tier 0 stuff, it's just the High 1-A stuff that he rejected. Don't mind me, though someone needs to decide how the Divine Presence profile should be handled.
Don't use what I said off-site here.He didn't reject the High 1-A stuff. We already discussed this in private and he literally said “Yeah, I see Heaven being High 1-A.”
Just to make sure, you'll be in touch for part.2 for those High 1-A/0 for Vertigo as well, correct? It being 1-A right now would be an easier transition, but, nevertheless, I'll need you to be on that as well.Yeah, go ahead with the Vertigo changes. I'm occupied with real life stuff as of late and would rather focus on getting the rest of the 1-A/High 1-A/0 queue moving. I'll tackle DC with you all at a later point if needed.
Well, I would advise you to be more attentive to the thread in the future. That way, there isn't a miscommunication, if we have nothing else to go off of.Don't use what I said off-site here.
You can’t blame him when the College semester is starting for most people tbhWell, I would advise you to be more attentive to the thread in the future. That way, there isn't a miscommunication, if we have nothing else to go off of.
You seem to forget that I like to tease Ultima, and I'm not at all being serious or pushy as it may seem.You can’t blame him when the College semester is starting for most people tbh
Somebody needs to write all of the exactly worded titles for the wiki pages that you need unlocked in a plain text format, so I can easily handle the task with a mass-unlocking program.The 1-A changes for Vertigo have enough votes to be accepted, can you unlock the profiles listed here?
Here:Somebody needs to write all of the exactly worded titles for the wiki pages that you need unlocked in a plain text format, so I can easily handle the task with a mass-unlocking program.
As far as I can see, there is no problem. It's now up to the freak called Goofy.I have handled it now, but you did not write Mother Night's page title in the correct manner, so you may have messed up with another one as well, in which case it is likely still locked.
It’s locked to me, apparently.To revise the opened profile pages.
This is perfectly normal since you own the OP.It’s locked to me, apparently.
Which wiki pages are currently locked for you to edit? As I mentioned above, I am not certain if LazyMortician wrote down all of the titles correctly, which would mess up the unlocking process.It’s locked to me, apparently.
Since I have some complications. I think someone else will have to handle this.Which wiki pages are currently locked for you to edit? As I mentioned above, I am not certain if LazyMortician wrote down all of the titles correctly, which would mess up the unlocking process.
I think the changes are fairly simple. The listed key profiles and their ratings based on what was proposed for the Vertigo section.Do you wish to give Pein instructions, Toddler?
Should we leave the speed sections for later? Moreover, are we going to leave updating the AP justifications to the second part?I think the changes are fairly simple. The listed key profiles and their ratings based on what was proposed for the Vertigo section.
We can fix the speed part. More so for the AP section just include exist in the same level of existence as realms that are more real than real implying qualitative superiority over the material Universe.Should we leave the speed sections for later? Moreover, are we going to leave updating the AP justifications to the second part?
Seems fine, though, the Silver City portion should be removed since Lucifer series retcon that notion, it’s part of the order of created things and was built by the Lilim workforce.Lucifer Morningstar
Tier: 1-A
Attack Potency: Outerverse Level ( He transcending The City of Stars, which is above real, and the Silver City, which is not part of the order of Creation and is far above it. He and his brothers are tools that build the Universe with the power God has given them. He is much more powerful than primordial concepts that define reality in all its forms, such as the Endless.)
For example, how about this example?
It is obvious that it is still referred to as the design base of the Universe in the series. I guess the fact that it was built by Lilim doesn't change much. Because they gave them this authority and power.Seems fine, though, the Silver City portion should be removed since Lucifer series retcon that notion, it’s part of the order of created things and was built by the Lilim workforce.
I wouldn’t say so. I mean it was literally “physically” built as a hosanna of silver and many things. Plus, Lilith could drag it down to the Universe and could be broken by literal rocks and stones.It is obvious that it is still referred to as the design base of the Universe in the series. I guess the fact that it was built by Lilim doesn't change much. Because they gave them this authority and power.
Vertigo changes can be applied as soon as we look through the old profile justification and implement the changes we need. As for DeMatteis, I’m waiting on Ultima approval of 1-A/1-A+ material plane and High 1-A spiritual planes.When will it start to be used? And does J.M. DeMatteis have to count points on new crt ? because it seems like the whole conversation is Vertigo?
It was never said that it was from physical materials. The City is a sacrament. You know, such things remain metaphors and carry other meanings in such realms. On the other hand, the weapons Lilim used were strong enough to kill even Seraphs.I wouldn’t say so. I mean it was literally “physically” built as a hosanna of silver and many things. Plus, Lilith could drag it down to the Universe and could be broken by literal rocks and stones.
The Angels, however, when they introduced themselves to Lilith mention how they were of “Heaven” prior to the creation of the Silver City. So I say that a non-corporeal Heaven should be distinct to just the Silver City. So the old view of Silver City could be replaced by Heaven. Hence why I said the City was apart of Heaven since it was whisked away there during the end of Lucifer #50.