DC Comics: Revising the Speed of Beings of the Omniverse

[Elizio33]

This would only involve beings from the Omniverse like The Hands, Perpetua, Darkest Knight, Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman.

In this particular scan it says the Chronicler move light years across the universe with a single step. This is high level of MFTL+ speed or some level of Infinite speed level since "he moves light years across the universe with one step." All of the above characters should scale to the Chronicler's speed feat instead of having an Unknown speed.

 

[Elizio33]

@Antvasima @Deagonx @Firestorm808 @Emirp sumitpo what do you think?

 

[Firestorm808]

Seems okay

 

[Quantu]

Can you explain how this would be infinite speed?

 

[Elizio33]

Can you explain how this would be infinite speed?

Eh, I just thought that moving light years across the universe with a step would likely qualify for the Infinite speed level, but I suppose that it is high ends level of MFTL+

 

[Elizio33]

Seems okay

Thank you for helping out

 

[Quantu]

Eh, I just thought that moving light years across the universe with a step would likely qualify for the Infinite speed level, but I suppose that it is high ends level of MFTL+

For this to be infinite contextually, they would have had to move across an entire infinite sized universe in that step. A few light years don't quite do it.

But yeah this is comfortably MFTL+

 

[Elizio33]

For this to be infinite contextually, they would have had to move across an entire infinite sized universe in that step. A few light years don't quite do it.

But yeah this is comfortably MFTL+

Yeah that's what I thought. Guess MFTL+ is fine in this case

 

[Excellence616]

Make sense, I agree

 

[StekFence]

Looks obvious to me

 

[Antvasima]

Massively FTL+ speed for them seems fine to me based on this, but didn't the Darkest Knight almost keep up when chasing the Wally West Flash as well?

 

[Elizio33]

Massively FTL+ speed for them seems fine to me based on this, but didn't the Darkest Knight almost keep up when chasing the Wally West Flash as well?

Yes

 

[Antvasima]

Well, doesn't full-power Wally West have immeasurable speed?

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Well, doesn't full-power Wally West have immeasurable speed?

He does

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Should the Darkest Knight scale to that then?

 

[Antvasima]

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What do you think about this?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

This doesn't seem Infinite speed at all. Definitely MFTL+, but I doubt it's higher than Wonder Woman's 52 quintillion x FTL feat they currently scale to.

Okay. Should the Darkest Knight scale to that then?

Honestly yeah. Possibly Immeasurable speed is pretty weird

 

[Antvasima]

So would "At least Massively FTL+, possibly Immeasurable" be appropriate statistics for these cosmic characters then?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I'm saying Darkest Knight should be straight up Immeasurable. I mean the guy literally moved through time with sheer speed.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Then it should probably be fine.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Mftl+ is okay

 

[Qawsedf234]

What do you think about this?

It's a MFTL feat but I don't know of it's anything more than just support evidence.

 

[Elizio33]

I'm saying Darkest Knight should be straight up Immeasurable. I mean the guy literally moved through time with sheer speed.

Okay that should be good.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

MFTL+ for that specific scan. He has to cross over a finite space in 0 time or an infinite distance near instantaneous through raw speed.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I'm saying Darkest Knight should be straight up Immeasurable. I mean the guy literally moved through time with sheer speed.

Agreed.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

Darkest Knight would scale from Wally not any other speed feat. Since he was punching her through time. He wasn't going at any speed rather he manipulated time with each punch.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

It's Massively Faster Than Light+ speed alright just by going off by the comic page narrative.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Darkest Knight would scale from Wally not any other speed feat. Since he was punching her through time. He wasn't going at any speed rather he manipulated time with each punch.

Nothing suggests he was time manip. It blatantly shows the both of them sending the other through time with sheer force. TDK is even showing moving through time after Diana via movement.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

Nothing suggests he was time manip. It blatantly shows the both of them sending the other through time with sheer force. TDK is even showing moving through time after Diana via movement.

That wasn't movement. He was sending them both through time as he directly went to the period as he pushed her. He was showing Diana his powers over time as Crisis Energy is the selfishness of the presence and that he needed as much of it to defeat the Hands.

His not using his speed to send them past time. He was sending themselves to the beginning of time. Which is not raw speed. Their punches and movements were sending them through history and time, but never did they directly use their speed to do it, they simply appear in it when the Darkest Knight took her.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Can you send a scan that indicates he was using hax to travel and not speed?

 

[Elizio33]

That wasn't movement. He was sending them both through time as he directly went to the period as he pushed her. He was showing Diana his powers over time as Crisis Energy is the selfishness of the presence and that he needed as much of it to defeat the Hands.

His not using his speed to send them past time. He was sending themselves to the beginning of time. Which is not raw speed. Their punches and movements were sending them through history and time, but never did they directly use their speed to do it, they simply appear in it when the Darkest Knight took her.

It was by sheer force. This was clearly shown in the comics.
Even the narrative says that TDK hit Wonder Woman hard enough to send her back through time. Nothing suggests that he used any such power.

 

[Antvasima]

Your link above doesn't seem to work.

Anyway, the Hulk has punched his way through a time storm, and Superboy Prime can change a timeline with his punches. Comic books do not tend to have only one way to break each law of physics, so punching hard enough to travel through time is not necessarily the same as punching fast enough to travel through time.

We can likely still scale TDK to immeasurable from almost keeping up with The Flash though.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

It was by sheer force. This was clearly shown in the comics.
Even the narrative says that TDK hit Wonder Woman hard enough to send her back through time. Nothing suggests that he used any such power.

He didn't punch her through it. He grabbed her after she was already down when they went back to the Mesozoic era. He pushed her through to thebeginning of time. It wasn't speed, it was time manipulation by sending her to the beginning. Hence why she was unaware of her setting and why he wasn't with her as he already appeared there waiting for her to regain her composure.

How is this speed?

 

[Elizio33]

Your link above doesn't seem to work.

Anyway, the Hulk has punched his way through a time storm, and Superboy Prime can change a timeline with his punches. Comic books do not tend to have only one way to break each law of physics, so punching hard enough to travel through time is not necessarily the same as punching fast enough to travel through time.

We can likely still scale TDK to immeasurable from almost keeping up with The Flash though.

I fixed the link. I suppose their speed should scale to the normal speed level of Wally West (MFTL+) since Perpetua struggled to reach Martian Manhunter's mind moving between Plank times.

 

[Elizio33]

He didn't punch her through it. He grabbed her after she was already down when they went back to the Mesozoic era. He pushed her through to thebeginning of time. It wasn't speed, it was time manipulation by sending her to the beginning. Hence why she was unaware of her setting and why he wasn't with her as he already appeared there waiting for her to regain her composure.

How is this speed?

I said sheer force. It was not a time manipulation feat.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

I said sheer force. It was not a time manipulation feat.

The force is the push in which she went. He planned “when” she was going to arrive and which “time” she was going to go.

 

[Elizio33]

The force is the push in which she went. He planned “when” she was going to arrive and which “time” she was going to go.

Doesn't matter if he had to hit her hard enough to send her back in time. Even Wonder Woman had to punch TDK to send her through time with every punch from her.

 

[Elizio33]

I fixed the link. I suppose their speed should scale to the normal speed level of Wally West (MFTL+) since Perpetua struggled to reach Martian Manhunter's mind moving between Plank times.

Anyway what do you think about this?

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

Doesn't matter if he had to hit her hard enough to send her back in time. Even Wonder Woman had to punch TDK to send her through time with every punch from her.

The thing was Darkest Knight knew what he was doing. He “sent” her to the beginning of time by virtue of controlling when she was going to go by that push. That’s time manipulation, not speed of any sort. Not to mention what would “sheer force” mean?

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

Anyway what do you think about this?

That's in the mind. That's not a traveling speed and at best is more of so reaction or immunity to mind hax.

If we are going to scale TDK and Perpetua it has to come from the Flashes.