Quick revision for Perpetua

[Elizio33]

This thread aims to clean up the list of powers and abilities in Perpetua profiles, starting with the Crisis Energy abilities which should be removed as Perpetua has not been shown to be capable of using these forces individually. Perpetua simply draws her power from these energies and infuses them into others. Since reviewing each of her powers would take too long, I made a list of powers she should have based on what she had demonstrated.

Scans coming soon..

• Matter Manipulation/Antimatter Manipulation/Space-Time Manipulation: Shaped the three realms constituting the triptych superstructure of the multiverse which are based on the three forms of matter -- positive matter, dark matter, antimatter, and claims that the totality of that power belongs to her.
• Energy Manipulation: Wields the Crisis Energy -- Energy of the self, of this moment and nothing else.
• Mind Manipulation: "Whispered" across the multiverse in the minds of those powerful enough to trigger the reality-shattering crises. Whispered a false vision in Lex Luthor's mind, making him believe in a future where mankind ruled the multiverse.
• Telepathy: Can read other's thoughts. Severed the psychic link that Shayne J'onzz and M'gann M'orzz had with the people of Earth.
• Size Manipulation: Can enlarge herself to the size of a city to several planets.
• Transmutation: Turned Brainiac into her personal throne of power. Transformed all humans who sided with her into Apex Predators.
• Reality Warping: Perpetua can accumulate Crisis Energy from people's fears and agony to alter reality, although the range depends on the amount of Crisis Energy she accumulates, it varies from destroying a universe to restarting the multiverse in her image. As she slept, planets and galaxies formed and died around her fingers.
• Earth Manipulation: Rearranged Earth's continents into bat-shaped landscapes, creating a new world for the Batman Who Laughs.
• Biological Manipulation/Fusionism: Created her Apex Predators from the DNA of humankind and martiankind, blending them together and completely merging their two worlds.
• Law Manipulation:
  Provided with a sufficient supply of Crisis Energy, Perpetua can re-string the multiverse with the Seven Hidden Forces of Creation as the governing energies of the Material Universe and restart the multiverse in a form where evil is the natural order rather than a dark reflection of the natural order.
• Causality Manipulation: Manipulated events throughout space and time, leaving a piece of the Totality across time for Vandal Sandal who will recruit the Luthors to found a way to unlock her powers as she planned to free herself from the Source Wall.
• Soul Manipulation: Broke the chain of resurrection of Shiera Hall, splintering her soul between two lives simultaneously, as Kendra Saunders on Earth and as Shayera Hol on Thanagar Prime.
• Deconstruction: Destroyed Earth-19. Vaporized Johnny Quick of Earth-3.
• Cosmic Awareness: Sensed various events throughout the multiverse.
• Forcefield Creation: Can create forcefields.
• Portal Creation: Can create portals.
• Telekinesis: Thrown Lex Luthor in a portal with a hand gesture.
• Power Bestowal: Infused Lex Luthor with each of the seven hidden forces of creation. Returned the Anti-Life to the Anti-Monitor.
• Power Nullification: Stripped Lex Luthor with his powers and his Apex Predator form which she had previously granted to him.
• Teleportation: She teleported to the Promethean Galaxy of Earth-0 after destroying Earth-19's universe.
• Summoning: Teleported her evolved army directly on top of her sons.
• BFR/Time Traval: Returned the Justice Society of America, the Justice Legion and Kamandi to their respective timelines.
• Immortality (Type 1): Is older than the twenty billion years old multiverse and hasn't shown signs of physical or mental regression.

Unseen Hand:​

• Higher-Dimensional Existence: Exists on a higher plane of existence than the inhabitants of the Fifth Dimension.
• Acausality (Type 4): Exists outside of the conventional space-time and is unaffected by changes in history.
• Clairvoyance: Peered a hundred thousand years in the future through the Fourth Dimension to witness what lay ahead for the Apex Predators.
• Large Size (Type 10): Is larger than the multiverse.
• Size Manipulation/Dimensional Travel: Much like her sons, Perpetua can alter her scale and pitch to enter and traverse the multiverse.
• Healing: High-Godly - Is a Hand.
• Void Manipulation: Tore pieces from the Overvoid and shaped them into beings.

 

[Excellence616]

I agree

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Given description for each abilities Looks good

 

[Antvasima]

I think that this seems fine to add.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

She always had access to the 6th Dimension even when she was no longer part of the Council. She could have barred the Monitor Brothers from entering if she managed to unlock her near-hand status again.

As for Large Size, I don't really think that's very viable. 6th Dimension is technically larger but the beings within it aren't. I don't think she could make herself bigger than the Multivese and really no evidence to support it.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

Also, she didn't unform the New Gods. The Totality of energy was what washed them apart. She was simply awakened by the power she was once entrusted with.

I'm unsure about Void Manipulation as that feat doesn't feel like manipulation or the Type 4 Acasulity. She didn't create time nor is she beyond such a concept as she herself is constrained in a way.

 

[Elizio33]

She always had access to the 6th Dimension even when she was no longer part of the Council. She could have barred the Monitor Brothers from entering if she managed to unlock her near-hand status again.

As for Large Size, I don't really think that's very viable. 6th Dimension is technically larger but the beings within it aren't. I don't think she could make herself bigger than the Multivese and really no evidence to support it.

Perpetua and her children were portrayed as being larger than the multiverse in the Sixth Dimension.

Also, she didn't unform the New Gods. The Totality of energy was what washed them apart. She was simply awakened by the power she was once entrusted with.

I'm unsure about Void Manipulation as that feat doesn't feel like manipulation or the Type 4 Acasulity. She didn't create time nor is she beyond such a concept as she herself is constrained in a way.

Even if she did not erase them directly, it was still through the power entrusted to her by the Source that Perpetua added to hers until exhaustion.

As for Void Manipulation, she tore apart pieces of the Overvoid and shaped them into beings, which is a form of Void Manipulation, unless what she meant by "Rent from the Overvoid into flesh” was that she warped a little section of Overvoid to shape her multiverse within.

Acausality Type 4 is because she and her sons exist on a higher plane of existence (Sixth Dimension) than conventional spacetime (Material Multiverse), being unaffected by changes in the multiverse and remembering each iteration of the multiverse with Mr. Mxyzptlk's Precognition being useless on them. All of this as long as they are in the Sixth Dimension.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

Perpetua and her children were portrayed as being larger than the multiverse in the Sixth Dimension.

The 6th Dimensions is being scaled here not the individuals. Their large size correlates to location, not to scale to how big they are, but rather how they appear in a realm that sees the Multiverse in a different manner.

Even if she did not erase them directly, it was still through the power entrusted to her by the Source that Perpetua added to hers until exhaustion.

The Totality was the power that did it, not Perpetua. That power was entrusted to her to form the reality not use it for her own selfish need(which she was punished for later). The expanse of energy from connecting the peices of the Totality was what erased them. It's not her power, it was just entrusted to her.

As for Void Manipulation, she tore apart pieces of the Overvoid and shaped them into beings, which is a form of Void Manipulation, unless what she meant by "Rent from the Overvoid into flesh” was that she warped a little section of Overvoid to shape her multiverse within.

I would count as more of a creation feat. However, it seems fine how you're viewing it.

Acausality Type 4 is because she and her sons exist on a higher plane of existence (Sixth Dimension) than conventional spacetime (Material Multiverse), being unaffected by changes in the multiverse and remembering each iteration of the multiverse with Mr. Mxyzptlk's Precognition being useless on them. All of this as long as they are in the Sixth Dimension.

They're residents but I wouldn't count them as being a system beyond it. They may not be bound to it but you can definitely put them with those concepts. Like a Void doesn't naturally have time but you can add time in that location.

 

[Elizio33]

The 6th Dimensions is being scaled here not the individuals. Their large size correlates to location, not to scale to how big they are, but rather how they appear in a realm that sees the Multiverse in a different manner.

While it's true that their size correlates with location, they still seem larger than the multiverse, so I think large size via higher dimensional existence is viable. Perpetua held the multiverse in her hands, although it was almost finished and not entirely finished.

I would count as more of a creation feat. However, it seems fine how you're viewing it.

Creation is the power to create out of nothing, which Perpetua has not demonstrated, but i see your point.

They're residents but I wouldn't count them as being a system beyond it. They may not be bound to it but you can definitely put them with those concepts. Like a Void doesn't naturally have time but you can add time in that location.

From the Acausality's page: Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This grants them resistance to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others.

This is viable for Perpetua and her siblings since they are not bound to the regular system, but like you said, they can be affected by this system once they enter it.

 

[Eseseso]

Seems fine but scans would be appreciated.

 

[Elizio33]

New scans are added. More coming soon...

 

[Excellence616]

New scans are added. More coming soon...

Also add comic source

 

[VeryGoofyToddler]

While it's true that their size correlates with location, they still seem larger than the multiverse, so I think large size via higher dimensional existence is viable. Perpetua held the multiverse in her hands, although it was almost finished and not entirely finished.

The condense ball is visual aspect not the entire thing itself. This becomes apparent when Mxy literally shows the 6th Dimension from which the Multiverse is “viewed.” The location is the only change which they do not fully scale to in terms of size.

Creation is the power to create out of nothing, which Perpetua has not demonstrated, but i see your point.

Using “Void” to materialize something can not be unless that Void is filled. The Overvoid, in this case, does not seem to be nothing especially if it happened within the 6th Dimension.

From the Acausality's page: Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This grants them resistance to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others.

This is viable for Perpetua and her siblings since they are not bound to the regular system, but like you said, they can be affected by this system once they enter it.

They exist outside the system, not beyond it. Meaning there isn’t a greater cause or effect nor a something that is completely different. Lacking something isn’t being beyond it, simply due to predating the system.

 

[Elizio33]

I'm done with adding scans

 

[Elizio33]

@Deagonx your input would be appreciated

 

[Deagonx]

This looks good to me.

 

[Elizio33]

Okay, I think most people here were ok with the proposed abilities.

 

[Elizio33]

@Antvasima I think we have reached a consensus here.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Feel free to apply what has been agreed here then.

 

[Elizio33]

Okay. Feel free to apply what has been agreed here then.

Okay

 

[Elizio33]

Okay. Feel free to apply what has been agreed here then.

Can you unlock Perpetua's page, please?

 

[Antvasima]

I have done so. Tell us here when you are done please.

 

[TimeTrapperFanBoy]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

I have done so. Tell us here when you are done please.

@Elizio33

 

[Elizio33]

Sorry, I've been very busy these days, especially with my work. I had started the changes but didn't have time to finish them.

 

[Catzlaflame]

This thread aims to clean up the list of powers and abilities in Perpetua profiles, starting with the Crisis Energy abilities which should be removed as Perpetua has not been shown to be capable of using these forces individually. Perpetua simply draws her power from these energies and infuses them into others. Since reviewing each of her powers would take too long, I made a list of powers she should have based on what she had demonstrated.

Scans coming soon..

• Matter Manipulation/Antimatter Manipulation/Space-Time Manipulation: Shaped the three realms constituting the triptych superstructure of the multiverse which are based on the three forms of matter -- positive matter, dark matter, antimatter, and claims that the totality of that power belongs to her.
• Energy Manipulation: Wields the Crisis Energy -- Energy of the self, of this moment and nothing else.
• Mind Manipulation: "Whispered" across the multiverse in the minds of those powerful enough to trigger the reality-shattering crises. Whispered a false vision in Lex Luthor's mind, making him believe in a future where mankind ruled the multiverse.
• Telepathy: Can read other's thoughts. Severed the psychic link that Shayne J'onzz and M'gann M'orzz had with the people of Earth.
• Size Manipulation: Can enlarge herself to the size of a city to several planets.
• Transmutation: Turned Brainiac into her personal throne of power. Transformed all humans who sided with her into Apex Predators.
• Reality Warping: Perpetua can accumulate Crisis Energy from people's fears and agony to alter reality, although the range depends on the amount of Crisis Energy she accumulates, it varies from destroying a universe to restarting the multiverse in her image. As she slept, planets and galaxies formed and died around her fingers.
• Earth Manipulation: Rearranged Earth's continents into bat-shaped landscapes, creating a new world for the Batman Who Laughs.
• Biological Manipulation/Fusionism: Created her Apex Predators from the DNA of humankind and martiankind, blending them together and completely merging their two worlds.
• Law Manipulation:
  Provided with a sufficient supply of Crisis Energy, Perpetua can re-string the multiverse with the Seven Hidden Forces of Creation as the governing energies of the Material Universe and restart the multiverse in a form where evil is the natural order rather than a dark reflection of the natural order.
• Causality Manipulation: Manipulated events throughout space and time, leaving a piece of the Totality across time for Vandal Sandal who will recruit the Luthors to found a way to unlock her powers as she planned to free herself from the Source Wall.
• Soul Manipulation: Broke the chain of resurrection of Shiera Hall, splintering her soul between two lives simultaneously, as Kendra Saunders on Earth and as Shayera Hol on Thanagar Prime.
• Deconstruction: Destroyed Earth-19. Vaporized Johnny Quick of Earth-3.
• Cosmic Awareness: Sensed various events throughout the multiverse.
• Forcefield Creation: Can create forcefields.
• Portal Creation: Can create portals.
• Telekinesis: Thrown Lex Luthor in a portal with a hand gesture.
• Power Bestowal: Infused Lex Luthor with each of the seven hidden forces of creation. Returned the Anti-Life to the Anti-Monitor.
• Power Nullification: Stripped Lex Luthor with his powers and his Apex Predator form which she had previously granted to him.
• Teleportation: She teleported to the Promethean Galaxy of Earth-0 after destroying Earth-19's universe.
• Summoning: Teleported her evolved army directly on top of her sons.
• BFR/Time Traval: Returned the Justice Society of America, the Justice Legion and Kamandi to their respective timelines.
• Immortality (Type 1): Is older than the twenty billion years old multiverse and hasn't shown signs of physical or mental regression.

I have applied everything for Crisis Energy Perpetua^^^^

Will do Unseen Hand tommorow if nobody else does it.

 

[Elizio33]

I have applied everything for Perpetua^^^^

Will do Unseen Hands tommorow if nobody else does it.

Thank you so much. I haven't had time these days to apply the changes.

 

[Catzlaflame]

kk Its done, finished the remaining stuff for Unseen hand key. Elizio, I recommend creating a sandbox next time you make revisions, that way, when it comes time to apply stuff, all you have to do is copy and paste.

Feel free to close this thread.

 

[Elizio33]

kk Its done, finished the remaining stuff for Unseen hand key. Elizio, I recommend creating a sandbox next time you make revisions, that way, when it comes time to apply stuff, all you have to do is copy and paste.

Feel free to close this thread.

Thanks for the advice!

 

[Antvasima]

Feel free to close this thread.

@Elizio33

Does this seem like a good idea to you?

 

[Elizio33]

@Elizio33

Does this seem like a good idea to you?

Yes

 

[Antvasima]

Yes

Okay. I will do so then. Thank you to everybody who helped out here.