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I like that Yhwach conviniently didn't bring himself from the dead.
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Darth Vader vs Yhwach & Kaguya
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Shatterpoint and Precognition would tell Vader exactly what he needs to do to win. There won't be a time line where Vader doesn't mindhax because he'll know as soon as the fight begins what he'll need to do.
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Matthew Schroeder said:
Mind elaborating more? Gotta define shit tier and how he'd know Yhwach and Kaguya aren't shit tier.
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wtf he effects atoms with Force choke!? Kaguya BFRs and cause it a day.
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I explained above. Force allows you to identify big threats way in advance and even from a galaxy away. Force Choke is something that Vader uses against normal dudes.
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because the Almighty is Vader's ShatterpointKnightofannihilation666 said:
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Almighty isn't what makes Yhwach a certain level though, unlike Luffy and Naruto.
But I agree that it should be in a state of activation at the beginning of a fight. Yhwach only chose not to use it against Ichigo for some time.
But I agree that it should be in a state of activation at the beginning of a fight. Yhwach only chose not to use it against Ichigo for some time.
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also to clarify Instant speed cant actually be measured. It may seem instant in context but it can actually be slow to someone else. In which case we cant actually say instant is faster than FTl or MFTL in this because we dont know how it would work compared to someone faster than Yhwach
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Yhwach is highly resistant to Precog. He also "died" in the Manga for obvious reasons.
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You objectively can't be resistant to an ability that affects only your opponent and not yourself. Beating someone with Precog isn't resistance to it.
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the simple fact of Vader throwing down Sidious down a shaft was enough of a shatterpoint for Sidious to see his demise decades in advance would tell you. that something that can powernull/one shot vader without touching him will definitely be picked up by shatterpoint nigh instantly the fight starts.
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So if you are admitting that he doesn't keep it activated all the time, and hell he never used half the Sternritter powers he has listed on his profile, why act like he will instantly start throwing all his haxes at once.
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He won't open with force choke. He'll open with mindhax and transmutation. Shatterpoint = Almighty so he'll know what he needs to do to win.AstralKing7 said:
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not on the level of ShatterpointFrantzy12 said:
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i feel like this debate is going in circles lol
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Cool. Vader still mindhaxes.Frantzy12 said:
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in other words he opens with Force choke since he knows what to do to win. Kaguya saves the day with BFR. This is assuming he can only see things one at a time like if he sees what Yhwach does first then he gets beat by Kaguya but if he sees Kaguya first he gets beat by Yhwach lol you know what they win lol if its like thatThe Wright Way said:
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Shatterpoint level?
Mimihagi cannot be seen with Almighty because of it's purpose.He doesn't progress or anything even if you see him moving he is "still".
This is high resistance,unless you have a quote or scan if it working on someone with this resistance it won't work tbh.
Mimihagi cannot be seen with Almighty because of it's purpose.He doesn't progress or anything even if you see him moving he is "still".
This is high resistance,unless you have a quote or scan if it working on someone with this resistance it won't work tbh.
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Yhwach isn't resistant to Precog for fighting someone with precog. Mimihagi could no sell the Precog effects of The Almighty, he's even described as being "Immune" to Precog and Chairvoyance. ( In verse. ) due to governing Stagnation. Yhwach absorbed Mimihagi and his powers so now he's resistant. Also I'm pretty sure Yhwach has better precog / clairvoyant powers that Shatter point.
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Almighty has passive powernull right?
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If activated, yeah, it does.
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okay then a case can be made for Yhwach.
if it's passive. it needs to be passive
if it's passive. it needs to be passive
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Vader sureKnightofannihilation666 said:
He does not have better precog then Sidious
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He won't open with force choke. He'll open with mindhax and transmutation. Shatterpoint = Almighty so he'll know what he needs to do to win.
in other words he opens with Force choke since he knows what to do to win. Kaguya saves the day with BFR. This is assuming he can only see things one at a time like if he sees what Yhwach does first then he gets beat by Kaguya but if he sees Kaguya first he gets beat by Yhwach lol you know what they win lol if its like that
Shatterpoint can see several futures at once. He'll know what to do against both of them.
in other words he opens with Force choke since he knows what to do to win. Kaguya saves the day with BFR. This is assuming he can only see things one at a time like if he sees what Yhwach does first then he gets beat by Kaguya but if he sees Kaguya first he gets beat by Yhwach lol you know what they win lol if its like that
Shatterpoint can see several futures at once. He'll know what to do against both of them.
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What's the level of Sidious's precog?
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i always wanted to know how does he nulify you from the future lol
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considering both Shatterpoint and Almighty are nigh instant, lets just say they both do it at the same time.
Yhwach gets Mindhaxed
Vader gets powenulled
so he loses his power
Yhwach escapes from the mindhax because Vader is powernulled
Vader with no power is 9-B
so he gets stomped.
however is it NLF to assume powernull would work on 5-B? if not
then whats stopping Yhwach from powernulling 3-A characters ect?
Yhwach gets Mindhaxed
Vader gets powenulled
so he loses his power
Yhwach escapes from the mindhax because Vader is powernulled
Vader with no power is 9-B
so he gets stomped.
however is it NLF to assume powernull would work on 5-B? if not
then whats stopping Yhwach from powernulling 3-A characters ect?
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Can see all possible futures simultaneously decades before they occur.Knightofannihilation666 said:
He foresaw his own death in Empire Strikes back and managed to prefer a plan for surviving it. Which is why he doesn't die in the legends continuity.
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...going with does assumptions that means Kaguya is free to absorb both of them and calls it a day lol
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No, that's not an NLF. Vader isn't infinitely higher than Yhwach and he isn't resistant to power null. And Yhwach has multiple methods of power null, one of them being passive.
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