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This is true, but if it's consistently shown to be less than 10x, then plot can't be the sole reason.
Valid approach tbh
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Curse Mark and Sage Mode Multiplier Removal CRT
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PrinceofPein
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That is the truth and i am just stating it, he could not handle the L in another thread, ask him why he started this thread, he should be able to tell u.
how does that mean that the pain feel pain?
You said the pain can stand up immediately after he got hit by sm nardo, and that simply cause it feels no pain. dont digress the argument.
I mean four tails naruto used him as nail into the ground and he was fine
okay how does this matter?
The pain dont feel pain, that is the original argument so how does this prove they feel pain?
uh?? fused momoshiki did not push base naruto back and simply kicked him to oblivion??
yes
The gap stated was said to be 10 times. and was actually shown to be a gap.
let me see where the 10 times is relative.
Jirobo (stated and shown)
Jiraiya (from having trouble dealing with animal path summons, to simply one shotting them)
Naruto (From having trouble dealing with the likes of kakuzu, to one shotting pains Or you forgot sm naruto one pains, same pains that defeated people comparable to base naruto?) the last pain which is God path is comparable to base naruto and was kicked around by SM naruto.
And yes nitpicking will be what is been done here
Sigh thought it was the last fight, this one is completely irrelevant, momo took a chakra pill and created a tbb and naruto absorbed everything
His Bijuu.
Read the ******* series
like who? Delta?
sigh
just that it feels so good to be able to do stuffs i mean start a thread and it is already done
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in this case the time it was inconsistent was plot.
Delta and who again?
mention one time when it was not plot
Anyway time for me to go to sleep
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Anyways
Hashirama needs a new justification.
Madara needs a new justification.
SM BM Naruto and CM Susanoo Sasuke need new justifications.
Minato needs a new justification
Sound 4 will be worked on in the future.
Hashirama needs a new justification.
Madara needs a new justification.
SM BM Naruto and CM Susanoo Sasuke need new justifications.
Minato needs a new justification
Sound 4 will be worked on in the future.
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Sage Mode Hashirama would be:
Minato would be:
Minato would be:
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Justifications won't change, but his SM Mokuton will just scale to the Perfect Susano'o calc instead.
Same as above.
At least "BM Tier"
You already mentioned Sasuke
At least "base stat" with SM, or just "higher" with SM.
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Why just not upscale thEm to low 6B since the PS slash was really casual and was by Edo Tensei PS? Also Majestic Attire is Kurama + Susanoo so wouldn't this combined form reach low 6B?
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AP: At least Large Mountain Level (Stronger than before due to Sage Mode), up to Large Island Level+ with Wood Release (Stronger than before due to Sage Mode. His Wood Golem was also able to contend with Madara's Perfect Susanoo when he was weaker as an Edo Tensei. His Shin Sūsenju is far more powerful than the Wood Golem and is capable of matching the Majestic Attire: Susano'o's Evil Disturbance Waltz and damaging the Perfect Susano'o's armor)
SS: At least Large Mountain Class (Stronger than before due to Sage Mode), up to Large Island Class+ with Wood Release (Stronger than before due to Sage Mode. His Shin Sūsenju is capable of effortlessly manhandling Kurama)
D: At least Large Mountain Level (More durable than before due to Sage Mode), up to Large Island Level+ with Wood Release (More durable than before due to Sage Mode)
Madara just needs all of the Low 6-B statistics of his Perfect Susano'o changed to High 6-C+
AP: Island level (Stronger than his regular Kurama Mode due to Sage Mode), Large Island Level to Small Country level with Kurama Avatar (Stronger than his regular Kurama Mode Avatar due to Sage Mode)
SS: Island Class (Stronger than his regular Kurama Mode due to Sage Mode), Large Island Level with Kurama Avatar (At least 10x stronger than his regular Kurama Mode Avatar due to Sage Mode)
D: Island Class (More durable than his regular Kurama Mode due to Sage Mode), Country level with Kurama Avatar (More durable than his regular Kurama Mode Avatar due to Sage Mode)
Sasuke just needs all the Low 6-B Statistics of his CM Susano'o changed to High 6-C
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We can discuss that later, but yeah the Majestic Attire and Buddha statue might be Low 6-B because the Majestic Attire is Kurama + Perfect Susano'o after all.
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A problem about that would be Durabililty
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How so?
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So 100% Kurama has High 6-C SS, High 6-C AP up to Low 6-B AP, and 6-B Durability, while on the other hand, Madara's Perfect Susano'o has High 6-C+ Statistics all around right?
If we combine 100% Kurama's SS (High 6-C) and Madara's Perfect Susano'o SS (High 6-C+) = Baseline Low 6-B SS
It might be possible because it's just combining their Punches and Kicks
But do we also combine their Durability? 6-B Durability + High 6-C+ Durability? What about 100% Kurama's Low 6-B AP?
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Tbh, that 6-B durability is looking more and more like an outlier to me. I've been thinking about it recently, and it creates a ton of scaling issues.
Kurama being that much of a tank makes zero sense, and it makes it nearly impossible for comparable characters to ever harm him.
That needs to be changed to be just like BM Naruto's rating. I can't believe nobody fixed that yet. He's only Low 6-B with the charged TBB.
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Speaking of things that need fixing, Madara has a mention of "Continent level" on his revived key that needs removing.
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The Low 6-B AP of 100% Kurama is for the charged TBB
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Cool, that's good. So what's the issue with that then? Are you asking if that factors into the Majestic Attire's normal AP? It doesn't because he wasn't using any charged TBBs, though he could if he wanted to I suppose.
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We need another thread for this.
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when the hell did ya downgrade hashirama to island lvl
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Why? It's just a change that was overlooked. It was supposed to be removed in the past.
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Yes, it was indeed overlooked. It should be easy enough to fix since Sage Madara's feats are pretty straightforward.
I'd fix it myself, but unfortunately I'm short on time and don't have access to a PC rn.
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Please Elaborate.
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Why would anyone train for a small non permanent amp at all
They didn't take the full yield and again he wasn't incapped so look at that it varying
taking hits from someone not trying kill him while having insane regen and stamina means nothing
You are saying it is a small amp yet these are justifiably huge amps
You are ignoring the importance of the amp in the series
according to you its perfectly resonable for an amp that people spend minutes charging mid fight and training for a long period of time is a tiny amp that makes you slightly stronger then base
The fact that we have a statement
You are arguing for it to be a tiny amp which is contradicted by its importance in the series
I am countering you
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What needs to be done here?
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Write out the scaling and revise the profiles.
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Then all that needs to be done is edit the profiles.
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Could I include my draft for Revived Madara as well?
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My proposed revision of Revived Madara's Statistics:
AP: At Least Large Mountain Level (Should be stronger than his Edo Tensei State as Hashirama stated he was regaining his past strength), Island Level with Sage Mode (Stronger than before and should be comparable to his own durability), Large Island Level with Susanoo (Broke out of Shukaku's Seal, and should be comparable to its own durability), higher with One Rinnegan (Far stronger than before. Simultaneously knocked down all the Bijū, including BM Naruto)
LS: At Least Class G (Stronger than his Edo Tensei State. Broke out of Edo Hashirama's Wood Release when he could not in his Edo Tensei State), higher with Sage Mode (Stronger than Sage Mode Naruto and Sage Mode Hashirama)
SS: At Least Large Mountain Class (Should be stronger than his Edo Tensei State), Island Class with Sage Mode (Stronger than before and should be comparable to his own durability), Large Island Level with Susanoo (Should be comparable to its own durability), higher with One Rinnegan (Damaged the Bijū)
D: At Least Large Mountain Level (Should be more durable than his Edo Tensei State), Island Level with Sage Mode (Tanked Shukaku's wind attack and assaults from the other Bijū), Large Island Level with Susanoo (Was undamaged by Kurama Mode Naruto's Avatar, and required all nine of the Bijū to launch a combined attack on his Susanoo to destroy it), higher with One Rinnegan (More durable than before)
AP: At Least Large Mountain Level (Should be stronger than his Edo Tensei State as Hashirama stated he was regaining his past strength), Island Level with Sage Mode (Stronger than before and should be comparable to his own durability), Large Island Level with Susanoo (Broke out of Shukaku's Seal, and should be comparable to its own durability), higher with One Rinnegan (Far stronger than before. Simultaneously knocked down all the Bijū, including BM Naruto)
LS: At Least Class G (Stronger than his Edo Tensei State. Broke out of Edo Hashirama's Wood Release when he could not in his Edo Tensei State), higher with Sage Mode (Stronger than Sage Mode Naruto and Sage Mode Hashirama)
SS: At Least Large Mountain Class (Should be stronger than his Edo Tensei State), Island Class with Sage Mode (Stronger than before and should be comparable to his own durability), Large Island Level with Susanoo (Should be comparable to its own durability), higher with One Rinnegan (Damaged the Bijū)
D: At Least Large Mountain Level (Should be more durable than his Edo Tensei State), Island Level with Sage Mode (Tanked Shukaku's wind attack and assaults from the other Bijū), Large Island Level with Susanoo (Was undamaged by Kurama Mode Naruto's Avatar, and required all nine of the Bijū to launch a combined attack on his Susanoo to destroy it), higher with One Rinnegan (More durable than before)
Arkenis
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Hashirama was at multicont before why is he only island now
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You must have been really out of the loop for not being aware of previous CRTs
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I started being more active during the tso crt for soul manip stuff.
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not as good as the 6-B Kaguya days.
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Why would Madara's Attack Potency be comparable to his own durability? I'm pretty sure we don't rate AP like this without some basis.
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Is counter force not a thing anymore?
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That's the reverse I believe. You can scale durability from striking strength due to counter force. Not the other way around.
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Are you saying Madara's striking strength and ap are different in sm?
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