Cross Marian Vs Zagred

[Arnoldstone18]

First of all,

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You read manga in Portuguese?? NIce!

I mean I can say that "on" "a" "u" "m" "bind" in one second and im just a human without super speed speech so I think cross can do it in a femtosecond but that's just me.

Second of all, I am 99.9999999...% sure Cross wouldn't rush his spell like that. Plus speed is equalized anyway. Otherwise, with your logic, Zagred can say "Koi" in about Plank Time.

 

[Arkenis]

In the Brazilian translation it says 40000 tons

Wtf

HUH RAT OMG

 

[Arkenis]

First of all,

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You read manga in Portuguese?? NIce!



Second of all, I am 99.9999999...% sure Cross wouldn't rush his spell like that. Plus speed is equalized anyway. Otherwise, with your logic, Zagred can say "Koi" in about Plank Time.

Prove Zagred can speak at that speed plsssssss

 

[Arkenis]

In the Brazilian translation it says 40000 tons

Wtf

dude if that's true then her kinetic energy is insane omg

 

[Arkenis]

In the Brazilian translation it says 40000 tons

Wtf

Then I guess Cross and Lenalee and everyone else who scales is in class M

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Prove Zagred can speak at that speed plsssssss

well speed is equalized so I don't have to. As a result of them having the same speed... The fewer syllables win.


HAHAHA...lmao

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Then I guess Cross and Lenalee and everyone else who scales is in class M

I mean, it is not known what the correct translation is. The only solution is to look at the raws

 

[Arkenis]

I mean, it is not known what the correct translation is. The only solution is to look at the raws

indeed

 

[Arkenis]

I mean, it is not known what the correct translation is. The only solution is to look at the raws

I was thinking that since Lenalee is going at sos with the added weight would it not just be the amount listed but also an increase of mass due to her speed?

 

[LordGinSama]

dude if that's true then her kinetic energy is insane omg

Nope still fodder.

 

[speedster352]

Nope still fodder.

So what are the win cons for both? Are they still the same?

 

[Arkenis]

Well just to recap for my sake and others in case others forget.


Cross's win cons are: Spams Judgement and has purification. Can time slow, slowing down Zagred's words and his ability to actually move.

Zagred's win cons are: "Vacuum Wall", his special spear which can warp space

Disagreements: Tanking Gravity Manipulation is not based on lifting strength and can be resisted through higher durability (for Cross)

@speedster352

 

[speedster352]

@speedster352

So what are the arguments now? Anyway I vote zagred fra

 

[Arkenis]

So what are the arguments now? Anyway I vote zagred fra

Well nt really. kinda just a inactive period for arguments as of now.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

So what are the arguments now? Anyway I vote zagred fra

basically who can say their spells the fastest.

Zagred disintegrates em

add my vote for Zagred

 

[Arkenis]

So three votes for Zagred and 3 for Cross?

 

[Arkenis]

Should we get some mods to comment on the arguments presented since it seems we're at a wall with the whole gravity argument

 

[rawXDglomp]

I will also vote zagred why not

 

[Arnoldstone18]

So that's 4 votes for Zagred

 

[Arkenis]

First match for the general and he is losing. Unfortunate

 

[Deceived3596]

First match for the general and he is losing. Unfortunate

1: Its tied.

2: Cross doesn't posses any of his resistances right now and honestly shouldn't even be Low 6-B (He should be bare-minimum High 6-A but given that multipliers which aren't stated can't be used despite the fact they make complete logical sense, we're ****** on that part), When Cross gains his resistances, he'll resist all of Zagred's hax's which makes this match a stomp in Cross's favor.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Frw

 

[Lynieryz]

Cross fra.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

High 6-A

 

[Arkenis]

1: Its tied.

2: Cross doesn't posses any of his resistances right now and honestly shouldn't even be Low 6-B (He should be bare-minimum High 6-A but given that multipliers which aren't stated can't be used despite the fact they make complete logical sense, we're ****** on that part), When Cross gains his resistances, he'll resist all of Zagred's hax's which makes this match a stomp in Cross's favor.

His Judgement multipliers only get him higher into Low 6-b. Unless I’m missing something. And could you show the hax he resist if you’ve made a list for it.

 

[Arkenis]

1: Its tied.

Tied against a femboy demon.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Tied against a femboy demon.

Zagred ain't the femboy devil in Black Clover, we got another one.

Anyways, the funny thing about this gravity argument is that Zagred doesn't even have Durability Negation via Vacuum Wall as something he can do on his profile, so this argument was actually completely pointless.

 

[LordGinSama]

Zag looks nothing like a femboy.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Zag looks nothing like a femboy.

This is a femboy devil

 

[Arkenis]

Zagred ain't the femboy devil in Black Clover, we got another one.

Anyways, the funny thing about this gravity argument is that Zagred doesn't even have Durability Negation via Vacuum Wall as something he can do on his profile, so this argument was actually completely pointless.

He's more arguing that the gravity from it will crush Cross and since Asta and yuno and others can resist it you'd need class K or higher lifting strength to resist it. Cross is likely in those tiers or higher but no calcs support this as of now.

 

[Deceived3596]

T.L.D.R

Baseline Level 3's are Low 6-B via being able to damage Bookman more compared to the Dark Matter blast from the Earl, these Level 3's who're the exact same strength and power as that Level 3 who beat Bookman's ass fused together to create Level 3.5 Akuma (Which 2nd Illusions Yu Kanda cut through like butter)

There was 10's of thousands (A massive lowball) to 10's of Millions of Level 3 Akuma at Edo and most of them fused together to create that Level 3.5 Akuma.

Here are the numbers that you get from that fusion (Note: These numbers are actually lowballed given they assume that Level 3 Akuma are actually 3x weaker than the blast despite doing more damage to Bookman who tanked the blast)

5) 11.3333 Petatons (This is assuming the 10's of Thousands number)

6) 11.333 Exatons (This is assuming the 10's of Millions number)

So you can get High 6-A to 5-C for High-Tiers/God-Tiers very easily through this feat (There's also some supporting feats to this like Noah's Flood and The Heart)

His Judgement multipliers only get him higher into Low 6-b. Unless I’m missing something. And could you show the hax he resist if you’ve made a list for it.

^ and i'm still working on the resistances thread (I've been revising the Noah's/Alma's profiles) but the TLDR of is that Cross will resist Noah-Level Dark Matter, which grants him tons of resistances to things like Matter Manipulation, Deconstruction, Spatial Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation (Just look on the current Noah profiles and he basically resist every offensive aspect of Dark Matter on those profiles), he also will gain inherent resistances to the Dark Matter attacks from all Akuma like Petrification and Illusion Creation from that Level 2 within Paris and A Level 2 within the Novels as well.

 

[Arkenis]

^ and i'm still working on the resistances thread (I've been revising the Noah's/Alma's profiles) but the TLDR of is that Cross will resist Noah-Level Dark Matter, which grants him tons of resistances to things like Matter Manipulation, Deconstruction, Spatial Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation (Just look on the current Noah profiles and he basically resist every offensive aspect of Dark Matter on those profiles), he also will gain inherent resistances to the Dark Matter attacks from all Akuma like Petrification and Illusion Creation from that Level 2 within Paris and A Level 2 within the Novels as well.

Thats fine. thought he had some other stuff but yea most of the exorcists would resist the dm effects.

 

[CloverDragon03]

He's more arguing that the gravity from it will crush Cross and since Asta and yuno and others can resist it you'd need class K or higher lifting strength to resist it. Cross is likely in those tiers or higher but no calcs support this as of now.

Actually Asta did not resist this at all. He was completely forced down, and he himself is Clsss K

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Bump

 

[Arkenis]

Bump

Whats your vote?

 

[speedster352]

zagred fra

 

[Deceived3596]

Right know the votes are.

Cross: 5 Votes (Nelliels, LordGinSama, Armityle, Deceived, Lynieryz)

Zagred: 4 Votes (Epsilon_R, speedster352, Arnoldstone18, rawXDglomp)

 

[Epsilon_R]

Right know the votes are.

Cross: 5 Votes (Nelliels, LordGinSama, Armityle, Deceived, Lynieryz)

Zagred: 4 Votes (Epsilon_R, speedster352, Arnoldstone18, rawXDglomp)

Your vote doesn't count

 

[Deceived3596]

Your vote doesn't count

I've been told by other uses on this wiki that the OP can vote within their threads.

Hell even within this thread i have been told that i can vote and that my vote does count.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Also Deceived, the OP can vote in their own threads, there was a thread about this and the staff said that they can

Where?