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He just speaks and the target gets crushed on the ground. Seeing he can crush Asta who's Lifting Strength is about thousands of times better than Cross, he'll end up being crushed to deal
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Cross Marian Vs Zagred
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Higher Durability compared to Zagred's AP (D.Gray-Man has a massive AP scaling within Low 6-B and Cross is one of the God-Tiers in the verse) or just Brain Puppeting him before he can speak.
Akuma don't posses brains, they're machines constructed through Dark Matter.
Proof that Zagred doesn't posses a brain?
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Epsilon_R
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AP doesn't stop that, Lifting Strength does.
Megicula, who's physiology is similar to Zagred and others High rank Devils, doesn't possess a brain, she even moved her heart inside her skull
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His being can be summed up to just a heart
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He can hold Cross down sure, it doesn't kill him though given his superior Durability. Also from reading his profile (and from reelecting the fight from memory) Zagred doesn't start with Gravity Manipulation, he starts out with things like Storm of Blades.
Why'll Cross's starts out with Brain Puppet and Judgement shots.
Alright.
If he can resist Mind Manipulation that can Mind Manip beings without brains he should be able to resist Brain Puppet.
speedster352
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Any win cons for zagred since this match is not really in his favour
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Again, his higher durability doesn't help him as you need Lifting Strength to resist that.
He resists mind Manip that targets the mind directly, so he resists
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gravity crush is his main win con rn but its not an off bat thing for him to do and would likely spam basic stuff like storm of blades or his fire attack
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No you don't? if your durability is high enough you can resist the "crushing" aspect of gravity.
Its not something that negates durability inherently.
Can it effect beings without a brain?
speedster352
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He will use since he will get pushed by Allen and then resort to using his haxes is speed equalized?
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Its cross vs Zagred and yea its equal.
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??
Mind is something different than brain, Or at least in Black Clover's case as Devils can have a mind despite not having a brain.
That's what I'm referring to
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what is the feat for that? Considering akumas body's are metal machines that's gotta be high
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What do you mean by "A devil can have a mind despite not having a brain"?
Like what's the differences between the two within Black Clover, this might help me understand more of what you're saying.
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Cross can just use his innocence to purify the creatures from the portal and he can also slow down their movement with his magic.
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Destroy the creatures before they can touch him with Innocence or kill Zagred before they can absorb his life-force.
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Mind in BC does not depend on their brain but they are two separate things, just like soul is something different than body
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These are not creatures, that his magic.
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Is their a scan that states this or a thread i can read?.
Life-Force Absorption and Magic Absorption (Can summon monsters from the underworld, some of which can absorb the magic and life-force of everything they touch)
Directly states they're monsters from the underworld on his profile.
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Its devil magic which is unholy magic or evil magic. It'll be purified and or power nulled as innocence can null even dm powered attacks
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Like I said, Zagred and Devils on his rank have a lack of brain. Despite that, they can think and all. So they don't require a brain to act and process information
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Does he resist Mind Manipulation that can manipulate the "minds" of Devils? if he does than he most likely resist Cross's Brain Puppet.
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Mind, wether it's a human, an elf or a devil is the same. Both can even interact with each other
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Proof? because this is definitely something that requires evidence behind given the implications.
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No? Their is no evidence or implications that Brain Puppet targets the soul of one's opponent, its actually shown the opposite through the scans that're posted on his profile.
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well for humans sure it targets the brain but I'm more so talking about akumas, if they don't have a brain then its not targeting their brain and therefore is targeting something else. Unless when a character doesn't have a brain it just becomes body puppetry which is on his page. So basically the brain thing is kinda irrelevant, he'd just control Zagred's body itself.
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I'm honestly fine with conceding that Brain Puppet wouldn't work against Zagred for the time being (
So what're Zagred's answers towards Judgement/Innocence and Magic Spells?
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well he can resist the heat from the bulllets and also he can just warp the bullets with his spear or redirect them.
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Can someone list the wincons for both characters?
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Zagred: Gravity crush
Cross: Purification, Ap advantage (unless Zagred gets argued for higher)
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Alright.
What's Zagred's Heat resistance level? Cross can turn Steel into ashes instantly with Judgement and scales above Blue-Flame level heats.
He doesn't start out with his spear and Innocence might unironcially negate it given that Zagred's magic might be equalized with Dark Matter and redirecting Judgement's bullets doesn't work either, they will consistently home onto their targets regardless of the obstacle.
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