Last question then. You mention the Sphere is Low 1-C. You also mention that each realm of the Sphere is QS to the Orrery. Which is it? I don’t believe all the realms are equal nor are exactly the same in scaling. Is there a reason each “realm” scale to Low 1-C? The Sphere is easily Low 1-C but I feel not all realms are meant to be the same in scale.
Yes, the Dark Garden should definitely be added. With the so-called flimsy white fabric behind reality where Psycho Pirate watches reality.
Well, I can't say for ALL the Godsphere realms, but the New Gods realms are definitely Low 1-C via QS to the Orrery.
I've did some fairly extensive research on Books of Magic. The ongoing by John Ney Rieber is a very Vertigo core book, it's super self contained and stuff. The Neil Gaiman mini though, that's very DC. LIke it's literally a guide to DC's magical universe
I don't know... Let's wait for other assistance.
I think most of the users you've pinned replied on the thread once but i could be wrong.
Okay nvm then
That I agree with and proposed long ago. The pressing issue is do we connect his older works. Which in a way still works and isn’t deny to losing value with his more recent work.
Characters like the Writer from Animal Man, of course, shouldn’t be valued as the highest. Some of his writing we shouldn’t take a face value but “some” of his older works can be put. Animal Man and Kid Eternity are two good examples of things that can work. Doom Patrol is iffy but fine, the rest is either insignificant or doesn’t work.
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That’s why Ant was suggesting we make it separate. So that it doesn’t contradict Grant as much.There is a good reason why it was decided to only use Final Crisis and Multiversity for our combined "Crisis Cosmology". Grant's older stories do not match other contributions from writers that followed Multiversity. Morrison's original attempt for the Overvoid was mostly in his interviews and most of his statements weren't mentioned in the comics or if they were, they were vague. From my understanding, Grant wanted to do something similar to DeMatteis' vision of God with the Overvoid, but didn't work out as he planned since DC said no and retconned the Overvoid years later. This is why I was prepared to eventually begin a cosmology with Grant's most consistent material from his old stories, not now though because I'm really tired.
That seems fine to me.There is a good reason why it was decided to only use Final Crisis and Multiversity for our combined "Crisis Cosmology". Grant's older stories do not match other contributions from writers that followed Multiversity. Morrison's original attempt for the Overvoid was mostly in his interviews and most of his statements weren't mentioned in the comics or if they were, they were vague. From my understanding, Grant wanted to do something similar to DeMatteis' vision of God with the Overvoid, but didn't work out as he planned since DC said no and retconned the Overvoid years later. This is why I was prepared to eventually begin a cosmology with Grant's most consistent material from his old stories, not now though because I'm really tired.
Yes. Jim Lee has hardly proven to be a fountain of wisdom in either his management of Wildstorm (The Authority, Stormwatch, and other hollow ultraviolent militaristic amoral evil filth), DC Comics (He and Dan Didiot made the entire setting corrupted, joyless, and completely incoherent), or Alan Moore's ABC line (His dishonesty and lack of moral character seem to have been the main reason why Alan Moore permanently quit from making comics). In fact extremely few people in history have likely been as malignant and destructive for the North American comic book industry as he has.
We should keep Grant's old stories out of Crisis Cosmology, but Final Crisis and Multiversity of Morrison set the stage for what followed to expand it for better or worse and are consistent enough with those contributions since some writers paid considerable attention to what Grant was building with Multiversity. Not to mention that the map of the multiverse served as a basis for other writers to expand the cosmology, even if some considered it more of a pain in the ass than anything else. Anyway, Grant's most consistent material from his old stories could be used to make a new cosmology as Morrison originally intended, Morrison stories that aren't too coherent will be rejected.
Nevertheless, he does write in what he wants. Which is why we define each Cosmology by the author intent of what the story said. Someone like Starlin isn’t a good guy either but nevertheless we include his work in Marvel and etc….
I don’t think that’s good enough. That is just a sublime reason, at best, we can not just detail out the nuances. We need a more of a holistic view and to really put why it can’t work. It’s seem more so a small reason on behalf of old and new works working against the tide because of the future story.
Yes, but I at least prefer to keep the damage they create that is logically extremely incoherent with other prominent stories (since they are extremely arrogant and narcissistic bull in a china shop types of people who do not care about wantonly causing enormous amounts of damage) separate.
I agree about keeping Morrison's vision separate from the newer (awful) cosmology.
His older works were definitely more “tamed” than all the metaness and control he had when creating a Crisis story. Evidently, I think combining his work with other is no better than using his older work, to which, at least has his ideas that are reused in later story and doesn’t contradict his intent then as he does now.
