Bleach speed (Again)

[Aernasilver]

Based on this thread it was agreed that Mask's beam is Lightspeed and Renji would just scale to it since the calc was bad.

With that out the way. The scaling is simple. The same reasoning as this thread. So anyone that is Relativistic becomes SoL.

 

[Damage3245]

Which post in that thread you've linked actually has the reasoning?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Majority of everyone scale to each other, he saying it's literally the same scaling so no need for a list.

 

[Aernasilver]

Pretty much the linked comment is the justification.

 

[Jvando]

I don't care about the LS attack thing but since when do we scale a character directly to the speed of the projectile if factors such as distance are unquantifiable or unknown?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I don't care about the LS attack thing but since when do we scale a character directly to the speed of the projectile if factors such as distance are unquantifiable or unknown?

He outpaced the beam so he'd scale.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Since never. You are not SoL because you dodged something with that speed. It is easier for you to get Relativistic speeds.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Then you'd better ask Tata.

Anyways the calc is bare Min Rel+.

 

[USklaverei]

Liltottto is scaled from the speed of the Auswahlen, so yes, we have cases.

 

[Purgy]

How is the distance unquantifiable btw?

 

[Damage3245]

@USklaverei; just because there is precedent doesn't necessarily mean the precedent is good and that it should still be used.

 

[AstralKing7]

Didn't Tata only agree with that math??

 

[Damage3245]

How is the distance unquantifiable btw?

Because we don't know how far Renji actually had to travel in order to intercept the beam, because we don't know what Masks' field of view is of the scene when he fired his beam. The only thing we know for certain is that he arrived faster than Mask could see.

 

[Aernasilver]

Even if you don't agree with an outright SoL, it's still Rel+ at the very least.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Didn't Tata only agree with that math??

You were literally in the thread, I don't think you paid attention at all.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Didn't Tata only agree with that math??

The math is the problem

 

[USklaverei]

The problem is not math

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

How is the distance unquantifiable btw?

Because we don't know how far Renji actually had to travel in order to intercept the beam, because we don't know what Masks' field of view is of the scene when he fired his beam.
The only thing we know for certain is that he arrived faster than Mask could see.

Still waiting on that thread btw.

 

[AstralKing7]

You were literally in the thread, I don't think you paid attention at all.


Answer the question. This is the reaosn threads like this never get focused on.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Even if you don't agree with an outright SoL, it's still Rel+ at the very least.

Then what is the point of changing the ~0.80c rating to SoL? If it was something like 0.98c, cool, but it is not even 0.90c

 

[Damage3245]

Still waiting on that thread btw.

What thread?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Still waiting on that thread btw.

What thread?

The thread you literally said you were going make about the calc and panel...?

 

[Aernasilver]

Then what is the point of changing the ~0.80c rating to SoL? If it was something like 0.98c, cool, but it is not even 0.90c

Damage said the calc is wrong so those numbers don't mean anything. It was discussed in the thread to outright scale to the beam's speed but if that's too much for you guys it is at least Rel+.

 

[Purgy]

Isn't that why USklaverei used the panels height in the calc since that's the minimum distance Renji had to have travelled? Like you really can't argue it being any lower than that.

Also, given Mask's distance from Renji and Rojuro, there's really no reason to assume his field of view wouldn't have covered the entire panel.

 

[Sekkonds.]

USK said he will create a thread to discuss the calc,i also have an idea to fix it

 

[Damage3245]

I never said I'd make a thread for it.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Isn't that why USklaverei used the panels height in the calc since that's the minimum distance Renji had to have travelled? Like you really can't argue it being any lower than that.

Yes, which is why this situation is so funny.

 

[Damage3245]

> Isn't that why USklaverei used the panels height in the calc since that's the minimum distance Renji had to have travelled?

In all seriousness, what does the panel's height have to do with anything at all?

This is making literally zero sense to me. The panel is not a thing in the world of Bleach.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I never said I'd make a thread for it.

Then why are we arguing? no one agreed with you at all No staff, literally no one. So how can you possibly know that you're correct?

 

[Lavtop]

Isn't the Calc like 0.88c? Tata agreed with that, and it is the minimum value, it could be only higher

 

[Sekkonds.]

Quoting from the other thread.. " Yes obviously mask can see behind the border yet he didn't ses renji,but what does that prove?it proves that the distance renji crossed is bigger..how much?unquanfitable

We go with the border cause it's what was drown and it's the minimum distance renji had to cross cause he wasn't in it

That's why it's the minimum lowball "

 

[Purgy]

I'm sure somebody could calculate what Mask's FOV would be given his distance to Renji and Rojuro (Shouldn't be too hard, though having said that I don't know how to do it).

Would that satisfy your problems with the calc Damage?

 

[M3X_2.0]

Damage said the calc is wrong so those numbers don't mean anything. It was discussed in the thread to outright scale to the beam's speed but if that's too much for you guys it is at least Rel+.

That's not how it works here. You can't just scale the character to the beam speed. There are many variables that can make the result greater or below than the speed of the attack. To get an idea, for the character to have the same speed as the attack has, both would need to move the same distance.

 

[Purgy]

Also pretty much what Sekkonds said.

But if somebody figures out what Mask's potential FOV is the feat will be much higher.

 

[Damage3245]

@Purgy; that would be significantly better than scaling to a random panel border.

 

[Purgy]

Alrighty, so all we need now is somebody who knows how to do that.

USklaverei calculated that the distance between Renji and Mask was 6.6705 meters for anybody that needs it.

 

[USklaverei]

I have an idea

 

[Lavtop]

Or we can just call another Calc member and see if he agree with Tata opinion too or the scaling to SOL, at this point it would be enough, but Antvasima agreed with Tata, we can just apply the Calc approved without further more discussing the SOL.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

@M3X

The issue here we have a character firing a LS attack, Now he fire the beam (so it always already in movement) and Renji came from above.

1.He fires it

2. He is completely unaware of Renji,we just see he is there to divert it.

3. This is where he is

4. He can only come from above the panel, but Sklaveri used the bare minimum which is from Renji to the Border.

This is where they were 1 chapter ago from mask POV.

 

[Purgy]

If we do what Damage said though the feat will be much higher than Relativistic+.