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Conceptual absorption for Yhwach
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This topic... why isn't it over yet?
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That
That's what I'm wondering. The topic is very straight forward
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Just discuss this in Bleach General Discussion thread for now
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agreed..... just holy shit this took long
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The changes seem fine, but I would say to keep type 3 since it is currently accepted.
The name does not seems universal either like change the concept/properties of soul king to blue would not really affected the universe or reality, while changing let say the concept of the universe's color could affect the entire reality's color.
The name does not seems universal either like change the concept/properties of soul king to blue would not really affected the universe or reality, while changing let say the concept of the universe's color could affect the entire reality's color.
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While reio is a title and universal idea. It can be treated differently since it governs all reality.
Change reio to blue, it would affect all the reality as they won't have the concept in existence which would sustain all realities.
How is such case formated? Absorption (fundamental, concept)?
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I disagree. Ichibei changed Yhwach's name to that of an Ant and his stats became that of an Ant crawling on the floor.
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He changed a person through changing their name, that's type 3. We need him to reality(not a personal concept) to get type 2.
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You mean if he had turn Yhwach into a literal Ant?
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That's still type 3.
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Reio is not a personal concept. The concept affects entire cosmology
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Proof ?
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Self evident.
Reio doesn’t exist, cosmology collapse
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Yes, because he sustain the separation, doesn't mean he is a concept or something fundamental.
collapse≠can't exist
Is gravity, time, a concept type 2 ?
No, and those are more fundamental than him.
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He sustains separation? More accurately he sustains garganta. Without reio space time won't exist. In other words space time is dependent on him, so he is more fundamental?
Reio is a idea. Most people don't even know he exists. Existence of his body doesn’t mean he can't be an idea. It's very clear realities can't exist without someone with title reio exists. Reio's birth itself was abnormal.
It depends on context. Collapsing means these realities won't exist. Soul society, real world, HM, garganta etc won't exist. Primordial world didn’t have the concept of death, progression etc. You can't say if concept of time even existed since everybody was immortal and reio created garganta. Without reio space times won't exist.
Gravity, time more fundamental than him- that's not really a point.
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That's not CM, just space-time manipulation.
sustaining the separation≠sustain reality.
So?
You know how many fictional character share this.
All he did was separating the primordial world.
This seems like CM. But it there isn't enough proof for death, time... being a concept.
You know more. I'm fine with it if an knowledgeable staff agree.
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That's not space time manipulation, that's concept of space-times existent being dependant on title "reio". From the description of primordial world, space time more likely didn’t even exist. He created it.
And they get AE 2,1 for that while reio doesn’t even have that on profile. So what's the point of comparison?
He did much much more than separation. He created, he destroyed, he altered, he's been maintaining etc. If you don't know just say you don't know. Also garganta is a higher dimensional space, higher dimensional timeline, vastly superior than standard uni+ models I will address these issues in detail when it's time.
Death is generally considered concept. It gets CM2 or CM3 depending on case. And time was very much implied to be a concept repeatedly.
Yeah, there are many important topics need to be touched. For now this should be added.
Absorption (fundamental, concept) whatever format it is.
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Question: Doesn't the fact that all of the known candidates for Soul king are hybrids prove that the title alone doesn't grant any kind of power?
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Not necessarily. Aizen can be soul king, mod souls can be soul king. And power alone doesn’t grant the abilities of soul king this part has been made explicitly clear.
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Yhwach was a hybrid? I thought he was pure Quincy or are we having the Voldemort treatment with half-bloods?
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Actually I was referring to the other Soul king candidates not Yhwach. With that said, considering that the Reio himself is a hybrid it would make sense for Yhwach to be one as well.
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That's exactly my point. The fact that all of the Soul king candidates are hybrid's implies that it's a prerequisite to being granted the title, which in turn would mean that if anyone who doesn't qualify were to be given the name then it wouldn't grant any kind of power regardless of how strong their soul is..
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You don't seem to understand what I said. Without being hybrid, someone still can be soul king and I gave you 2 example.
There wasn’t any kind of mention implying after given the name someone wouldn’t be able to function as reio.
Lastly you should stop derailing the thread. I already mentioned whether it's type 2 or not this should be discussed in another thread.
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If Yhwach is a hybrid then either there is no such thing as a "Quincy" which Yhwach calls himself one or the hybrid race is called Quincy. smh
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Umm, we kind of concluded that Yhwach is a self-made hybrid.
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But it doesn't really matter because absorbing the Soul King gave him the qualifications to be a Soul King candidate. His absorption is Biological, Energy, Soul & Power.
Ginjo and Yhwach: The Power-Stealing Hybrids
This revision addresses both Ginjo and Yhwach. While Ginjo undergoes more significant changes, Yhwach only receives a minor, evident addition along with a slight Quality of Life alteration to his profile. Ginjo: Physiologies: Ginjo currently has Soul and Fullbringer physiology in his profile...
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Oh I do understand, it's just that you're examples don't really work since Aizen would already count as a hybrid after he merged with the Hogyoku, and the only mod soul known to qualify is Hikone which was made as a hybrid.
The context itself seems to imply it's a requirement, cause otherwise Ukitake(who merged with Mimihage),Rukia, Renji and Byakuya(who all undergone the same Royal guard training as Ichigo) would have been considered for the position as well.
Oh, I'm not derailing. In fact this question/assertion of mine is actually an expansion of the first counterargument made in this thread(which is that the title is tied to the power and not the other way around)in which I'm adding that only those who are compatible with the Reio's power (i.e. hybrids) could be given the title Soul king.
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You are not adding anything at all and just proving repeatedly you didn’t understand about the topic. And stop using misinformation.
Give us evidence aizen counts as hybrid. This is the first time I'm seeing this, unless we had missed something important like this. Hikone is not the only mod soul that can be turned into soul king. Actually we refer him as hybrid, not mod soul.
They didn’t go through same training. Ichigo had completely different training. Mimihagi temporarily acted as reio, did you miss that part. Mimihagi has it's own CM which is topic for another thread.
I already addressed someone doesn’t necessarily have to be hybrid to be a soul king, which was your issue. But you have not shown us that someone must be hybrid to take on that name, while nonhybrid can actually be soul king. You also didn't address someone can't function as reio after named as reio or attaining the title.
Oh you are definitely derailing. You are using not only misinformation, you are denying one of the basic takes of bleach. If you think names shouldn’t be concepts in bleach, make your own thread.
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@LordGriffin1000 @Elizhaa @LordTracer @Damage3245 Can any of you add this on yhwach's profile? I never edited any profile and not much familiar with formatting.
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There is a logical basis for why Aizen would count as a hybrid1)He has done multiple experiments regarding Hollows/Hollowfication and removing the boundary between Soul Reapers and Hollows, 2) He fused with a Reio fragment, which would make him a "walking Reio fragment" just like a Fullbringer, and 3) He demonstrated Hollow-like traits during his various transformations. With that said, I am aware that nothing I mentioned would count as hard evidence so if you're not convinced then I won't change your mind.
So you're saying that Ichigo was the only one who had to go through that long pathway to get to Senjumaru? Cause I was under the impression that everyone there was taking the same route. Oh I wasn't talking about Mimihagi, I was talking about Ukitake specifically wherein instead of replacing the Soul king directly he had to give his life to Mimihagi so that the latter could do the deed.
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You seem to be getting the wrong idea. I'm not disputing that names are a Type 3 concept in bleach, I'm simply suggesting that maybe Reio/Soul King isn't actually a name but rather a title like Great Weave Guard or God of Sword, wherein it's simply meant to reflect what one's role/abilities are.
There is no actual explanation for why there can't be two Soul king's. It could be that only one can wield the power at a time, or it could be that having 2 Soul kings may mess with the flow of souls. With that said, I think attributing this to "only one can be named Reio at a time" is just as speculative as the other alternatives.
Hmm, I thought that this topic was relevant to the discussion at hand(which is why I brought it up in the first place), but if you say it's an unnecessary inclusion then I won't pursue this any further. So thanks for humoring me until now, and sorry for wasting you're time.
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Not gonna get into this whole discussion, but Ichigo did take a different path from Rukia, Renji, and Byakuya. Irazusando was specifically meant to test Ichigo as a Soul King candidate.
