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Bleach Bankai General Discussion 19

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Peter1129 said:
@M11UTD The problem is there are no fan translations. There are only fan summaries of SAFWY. And it's been years since the novel came out.
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There is a Brazilian translation for the novel but I do not know if it is complete, it has 20 chapters.
 
The novel states that Zaraki Kenpachi has a power similar to Ichigo, he can get stronger during the fight as Ichigo but Ichigo's reactive evolution did better ... besides Roca is OP and Zaraki is comparable to Full Hollow Ichigo according to novel, I may have misinterpreted it though.
 
KazuiK said:
The novel states that Zaraki Kenpachi has a power similar to Ichigo, he can get stronger during the fight as Ichigo but Ichigo's reactive evolution did better ... besides Roca is OP and Zaraki is comparable to Full Hollow Ichigo according to novel, I may have misinterpreted it though.
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FH Ichigo and 2nd Ressurection Ulquiorra compared to Zaraki and 60% Cien
 
Zaraki's power boosts are absurdly meme-tier when you think about it.

Gets one-shot by some punk Ryoka who would get casually no-diff'd by literally any other Captain even at the time of the punk's power-up

Goes from that to low-diffing two other Captains back-to-back with ease

Goes from that to struggling against the 5th Espada, when most other Espada required several fighters working in coordination or back-to-back battles to beat.

Goes from struggling against #5 to ******* up #0 with ease (probably the most meme jump in power, and really explains why Aizen set up the entire Hueco Mundo trap essentially just for Kenpachi as SAFWY explains)

Goes from that to eclipsing the former #0, Cien, in the SAFWY novel and one-shotting Azashiro Kenpachi as well

Goes from that to soloing 3 Sternritter when every other Captain was struggling with just a single one

Goes from that to Transcendent post-Unohana (nobody in Squad 11 could sense his reiatsu until he made his presence known atop the battlefield with Gremmy)

Kenpachi really is just a beast
 
Well for the pre Unohana part, it was stated everytime he is close to death, he starts gaining some of his powers when he was a kid. So his lose against Ichigo did give him a power up, same when Espada 5 cut him close to the neck.
 
Yup, that's how he gets the meme-tier power jumps. It's pretty consistent in how absurd the jumps are, but it's just fun envisioning them.
 
Imagine how dumb shit would be if Kenny never nerfed himself. No Retsu, he was probably always a Captain since near the start, guys like Azashiro or whoever tries to step to him get stomped, etc
 
If Zaraki never got nerfed and Ichigo got hus true shikai instead of his psuedo one, everyone up to Yhwach would be fodderized. Byakuya and Renji wouldn't have even had the chance to take Rukia back and Aizen would've been on sited before he could lay a hand on the Hogyoku.
 
Seeing how as Aizen feared Zaraki enough to go through all the Hueco Mundo trouble, yeah I think Hst is correct.

Plus, Kyoka Suigetsu isn't even that useful against Zaraki. Look at what happened to Tosen when he turned off Zaraki's senses; dude still got his sword caught mid-swing and fileted like a fish. Messing with Zaraki's senses wouldn't do anything to his instincts, and paired with his monstrous fighting ability it makes him a near-perfect counter to Aizen.

Peak no-nerf Zaraki would just kinda patently be the strongest dude chillin' in the Gotei and Yama would likely have to personally keep him from getting bored or have a contingency plan for his boredom
 
Wouldn't peak Kenny's reiatsu just break through KS anyway?

Also speaking of TS Ichigo, what if Auswhalen stole the Old Man from him and he spends his time with Zangetsu kicking ass from the start? How bad would he no diff pre timeskip?
 
kenny rei would help him beat shunsuyi but if we remove the whole shinganmi fight rule... shunsuis water would drains kenpachis rei and he will die..
 
Assuming Ichigos power would be nerfed at about half from Auswahlen? I'd say he'd still stomp or at the very least Yama and Shunsui would be forced to use their Bankais on him if he was still considered a Ryoka, that is if he doesn't simply one shot them before they get the chance.
 
Hst master said:
Assuming Ichigos power would be nerfed at about half from Auswahlen? I'd say he'd still stomp or at the very least Yama and Shunsui would be forced to use their Bankais on him if he was still considered a Ryoka, that is if he doesn't simply one shot them before they get the chance.
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You're forgetting that Ichigo wouldn't have access to an Asauchi to imprint his Reiatsu on - he would have never had power if it wasn't for Yhwach-Zangetsu creating a fake Zanpakutō for him.
 
Xulrev said:
Goes from struggling against #5 to ******* up #0 with ease (probably the most meme jump in power, and really explains why Aizen set up the entire Hueco Mundo trap essentially just for Kenpachi as SAFWY explains)

Goes from that to eclipsing the former #0, Cien, in the SAFWY novel and one-shotting Azashiro Kenpachi as well
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It was not full power Cien iirc
 
I believe it was 60%, but it's still impressive seeing how as Yammy was being 2v1'd compared to Cien.
 
in fact, Cien is still declared stronger than Yammy, he fought Kenpachi and Roca followed him, with the Pikaro also probably .. If you count on this novel Bleach would also have Hax as a black hole and information manipulation.
 
First and only, 60% Cien was already superior to Yammy, also has the old Kenpachi that was killed by Azashiro, his Bankai can destroy something several times bigger than the size of karakura.
 
KazuiK said:
First and only, 60% Cien was already superior to Yammy, also has the old Kenpachi that was killed by Azashiro, his Bankai can destroy something several times bigger than the size of karakura.
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You talking about Kuruyashiki? because his Bankai was stated it can destroy Seireitei tens of times over or something similar.
 
The summary said 30% Base Cien was stronger than Yammy not 60% Base Cien. 100% Resurreccion Cien was the one that fought Azashiro and Kenpachi w/ eyepatch off.
 
Does anyone have ss where the stuff from SAFWY being mentioned in CFYOW? just want to confirm it's canon.
 
"Oku Yushima: The novel mentioned that he was in fact the creator of the mod souls and leader of project spearhead, using a combination of Azashiro's and Hikifune's techniques." So Azashiro was directly mentioned, sweet!!
 
I was rereading chapter 618 and realized that Ichigo held Yhwach and sent a GT and Yhwach is sent away, he had never realized that. It just shows that TS Ichigo is on the same level as Yhwach.
 
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