Bleach Bankai General Discussion 16

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

It seems that people only did calcs for the big name characters and the most impressive feats, seems like no one cared for the likes of Lieutenants and under.

Slowly but surely we're getting to them at least recently starting with Sklaveri's recent Orihime SS Arc speed feat. So we'll get to them eventually hopefully.

 

[Aernasilver]

One from Chad Which reminds me that we had discussion to use the high end since he did vaporise it.

 

[Xulrev]

The lifting of Wandenreich definitely will need calc member input, and if someone were to attempt to re-calc Yamamoto's Bankai using the newly-accepted size that would be helpful as well to get some scaling for the god-tiers.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Ichigos relativistic calc hasn't been accepted yet. So it should be removed from the verse page unit it gets evaluated again.

 

[Zezu1995]

im fine with the the new calcs/upgrades/downgrades.. we just need to figure out how we gonna do the multipliers for those who get stats amped . and everything would be 100% ok to finally scale the verse correctly . going by the country gremmy , scaling kennys bankai makes him large country to cont via multiplier

 

[MikeMate]

People can be forgiven for making mistakes, especially on Ichigo's power levels, as they require a lot of scaling, but, assuming Mugetsu is a 2x multiplier from Dangai Ichigo, then TYBW hollowfied bankai ichigo is about 20,000x planetary level.

My reasoning is as follows: The hollowfication multiplier is a 1000x multiplier as it was on par with SE Ulquiorra, who was 1000x stronger than Ichigo's first bankai. To clarify, I am talking about the Vasto Lorde form, not the hollow mask.

In bleach, bankai is a 5 to 10x multiplier. I am assuming that Ichigo gets the full 10x boost.

True Shikai Ichigo is equal to Mugetsu, as stated by Yhwach. Mugetsu was stronger than God/Monster Aizen, who was stronger than Dangai Ichigo, who was stronger than AIzen's previous butterfly form, which surpassed all hollows and soul reapers, including Yamamoto, whose bankai threatened the existence of soul-society, a planet-sized dimension, as Soul Society is said to be a replica of earth.

Therefore, assuming that Mugetsu was a 2x multiplier from Dangai Ichigo, then Ichigo is upwards of 20,000x planetary level. I am unsure if this counts as Multi Solar-System or Galaxy lvl.

If there are any flaws in my reasoning, please let me know.

 

[Damage3245]

> Ulquiorra, who was 1000x stronger than Ichigo's first bankai.

Where are you getting this from?

> I am assuming that Ichigo gets the full 10x boost.

Why would you assume the highest possible value?

> God/Monster Aizen, who was stronger than Dangai Ichigo

Since when?

 

[Zezu1995]

i normally dont agree with damage but hes correct on all points it would be best to assume 5-7x for multiplier but also add the whole -possibly higher with max multiplier-

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Mike, what you just said makes no amount of sense in any particular way or order

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Also Multi Solar System to Galaxy is FAR, FAR Beyond what you just tried to say

 

[Zezu1995]

there is one thing you could point out tho... most espadas in base were equal or stronger than a shinigamis bankai back then.. same with sternritters their base is near the bankai and far above shikai thats why shinigamis needed bankai to end them but with the sealing they countered it without the need of using volstandig

 

[USklaverei]

I can calculate those feat involving the lower characters, such as lieutenants and tals, send me the deeds.

 

[USklaverei]

Ichigos relativistic calc hasn't been accepted yet. So it should be removed from the verse page unit it gets evaluated again.

this has been accepted, only need of Ant permission to be applied

 

[Ovy7]

Should there be a key for Kid Kenpachi? Acording to Unohana, he was stronger than her.

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Shota Kenpachi

 

[Damage3245]

That would be redundant since we have the 'After training with Unohana' key.

 

[Ovy7]

Also, is there a statement (in the manga or databooks) about how fast Gin's Shikai extends? Because this could help with some speed feats for some SS Arc characters (Shikai Ichigo, Toshiro, Matsumoto).

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

Especially Hitsugaya, he dodged one when it was coming for his eye ! That thing looked point blank !

 

[Ovy7]

Yeah, it was just mm away from his eye.

 

[USklaverei]

I calculed this out. I considered that the Shikai was 10x slower than the Bankai, gave something about Sub-Relativistic

 

[Damage3245]

Unfortunately we don't have any hard evidence that the Shikai is 10x slower than the Bankai.

 

[Xulrev]

Shinji has a great reaction feat in Fake Karakura Town of similar proportion to the Hitsugaya feat. He is moving forward and attacking when Kaname intercepts him and notices the blade as it hits his bangs but still manages a dodge.

 

[Zezu1995]

he did dodge but got injured do we still count it?

 

[Xulrev]

It's a reaction feat since it barely grazed him. He's not even bleeding badly at all and lost some hair, so the wound would be no more than a millimeter deep at most

 

[USklaverei]

@Damage2532

Yes, we have nothing on the Shikai, but I used this just by citing the Bankai increase from 5x to 10x the power.

We also have this avoidance of Hallibel, it is very impressive

But this one from Ichigo is the most incredible

 

[The_Causality]

Someone has the scan for mach 500 gin from the databook? just for checking.

 

[Sekkonds.]

i only found this but i think it's for buto renijn or something

 

[Sekkonds.]

sooo..i was looking in old feats since mimihagi feat is getting an upgrade to sub-rel+\Rel along side the dark beam and aushwalen

and i have found this and this which were accepted but rejected for being outlier..but with the new upgrades and lillito's feat dodging the aushwalen..we get sub-rel\+ for top and mid tiers like what happens now with naruto?OvO

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

The Uryu calc appears to be accepted.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

What new upgrades?

 

[Sekkonds.]

this

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Which blog is being used?

 

[Sekkonds.]

i assume USklaverei's blog because it has lillito's feat

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Cool cool

 

[The_Causality]

Someone need to organisate the accepted stuff and change, like for the High 6-C Espadas, the speed feats and ect..

Also, when for the 5-B upgrade?

 

[Damage3245]

I created a thread to try and explain why I think the Liltotto lightning calc should not be used.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Sigh.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

This is starting to become stressful.

 

[Damage3245]

This is starting to become stressful.

If you would be happier not participating in the thread, you don't have to take part. I don't want to cause stress.

 

[Zezu1995]

let it be damage , we already went thru that for awhile its decent so its being used