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Bleach Bankai General Discussion Thread 27

The quote of the muken is not an hyperbole, it is confirmed in the novel to be infinite and the name itself is derived form "Mugen", there are really no counter argument to that.

But it will not scale to anyone since it is likely a pocket dimension, the only one which can scale to it is the soul king since he likely created or manipulated it.

But is not gonna affect the calc above.
 
"Almost infinitely large" is clearly a hyperbole,like what is "almost infinte" the statment makes no sense at all
 
It technically isn't. Muken is quite literally written as þäíÚûô rather than þäíÚÖÉ . While its literal meaning is something along the lines of incessant, eternal, or everlasting, it's also how one of hell in Buddhism culture is written, with said hell being Aviici (or Muken Jigoku in nihon speak) which is also the inspiration behind the prison's structure in general

It's the hell where the worst of sinner are dumped into forevermore, which fits Aizen's situation in general if you really think about it
 
Sekkonds. said:
"Almost infinitely large" is clearly a hyperbole,like what is "almost infinte" the statment makes no sense at all
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I'm not sure about that translation

And even 0.00000000000000001% of infinite is still infinite.
 
And if the Novel truly confirms it as being infinite (I don't know for sure), then there's no question that it is, all that would remain is saying it's a hyperbole which is kinda a cheap argument, you could say that about any number of feats.
 
It is not a clearly hyperbole, if repeated 2 times; in the novel translation I have it said "darkness stretched out infinitely", if you would have only the manga one, you could be right, but if in two canon media is written as infinite and never debunked, because you never see an end, then it just you saying it is an hyperbole without any solid proof to back up to what you think.

This is just going against author intent, without really nothing to support it is false or an hyperbole.
 
EMS-TC02 Phantom said:
It technically isn't. Muken is quite literally written as þäíÚûô rather than þäíÚÖÉ . While its literal meaning is something along the lines of incessant, eternal, or everlasting, it's also how one of hell in Buddhism culture is written, with said hell being Aviici (or Muken Jigoku in nihon speak) which is also the inspiration behind the prison's structure in general
It's the hell where the worst of sinner are dumped into forevermore, which fits Aizen's situation in general if you really think about it
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Which would make a lot more sense.
 
AppleLord said:
An important question brought up in reddit recently, do shinigami need oxygen?
Hueco Mundo doesn't have trees to produce oxygen.

Kenpachi couldn't breather underwater or in space.

Does Shinigami breather reishi oxygen or not?
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Shinigami also have reishi organs, can die of reishi blood loss, and be poisoned via reishi. As weird as it is, I would assume that yeah, they need oxygen to breathe.
 
There are multiple Omnipotent statements. I think there are two in the novels regarding the SK and 1 or 2 for Yhwach in the Manga. Omnipotent can just mean great power though, and I'm pretty sure it's referring to The Almighty. Regardless, Yhwach definitely is not Omnipotent in terms of unlimited power.
 
Is there a thread explaining why the Negacion that came down to escort Aizen, Gin, and Tousen isn't considered light? Because isn't it referred to as just "beams of light" in the databooks and by Yamamoto? It's not called spiritual light if I'm not mistaken so shouldn't it be assumed to act like just like light would? Sorry if this is an old, already settled point, I'm relatively new here.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Is there a thread explaining why the Negacion that came down to escort Aizen, Gin, and Tousen isn't considered light? Because isn't it referred to as just "beams of light" in the databooks and by Yamamoto? It's not called spiritual light if I'm not mistaken so shouldn't it be assumed to act like just like light would? Sorry if this is an old, already settled point, I'm relatively new here.
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It's accepted as light, it's literally called light. But this site has requirements that need to be met before something is considered light speed, even if it's called light.

So basically, it takes more than something being called light here for it to be accepted as light speed.
 
in the requirements it says "It is stated to be made of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source" so why dont we accept it?
 
@Zoro21043; because a single requirement is not good enough.

If only a single requirement was enough then any energy beam which bounces off of a mirror would be lightspeed.
 
Damage3245 said:
@Zoro21043; because a single requirement is not good enough.
If only a single requirement was enough then any energy beam which bounces off of a mirror would be lightspeed.
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well it also says it wont be accepted if "They do not travel in straight lines (unless you can prove refraction/reflection, see above)" while the negachione did travel in a straight line

so we have more than one requirement
 
@Damage3245 but don't we have two sources for Negacion being light? That being Yamamoto and the databook?
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
@Damage3245 but don't we have two sources for Negacion being light? That being Yamamoto and the databook?
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As I said, Negacion is light.

But being light isn't enough for it to be accepted as light-speed here.

And no, two different sources saying the same thing doesn't count as two requirements.
 
Purgy said:
Arc7Kuroi said:
@Damage3245 but don't we have two sources for Negacion being light? That being Yamamoto and the databook?
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As I said, Negacion is light.
But being light isn't enough for it to be accepted as light-speed here.

And no, two different sources saying the same thing doesn't count as two requirements.
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we have two supports tho as it travelled in a straight line and also the one mentioned by yama , and we have no antifeats for it we got 2 requirements and it was shown only once iirc
 
Traveling in a straight line isn't a requirement, it's more like not an anti-requirement if that makes sense.

Only the first list of requirements count towards it being accepted as light-speed, the second list is more for proving it shouldn't be accepted as light-speed.
 
Purgy said:
Traveling in a straight line isn't a requirement, it's more like not an anti-requirement if that makes sense.
Only the first list of requirements count towards it being accepted as light-speed, the second list is more for proving it shouldn't be accepted as light-speed.
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i see but shouldnt we take into consideration that it was shown just once in the entire series and has no anti feats
 
Zoro21043 said:
Purgy said:
Traveling in a straight line isn't a requirement, it's more like not an anti-requirement if that makes sense.
Only the first list of requirements count towards it being accepted as light-speed, the second list is more for proving it shouldn't be accepted as light-speed.
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i see but shouldnt we take into consideration that it was shown just once in the entire series and has no anti feats
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Those don't matter, it doesn't fit the requirements this site uses for being classed as light-speed.

And even if it did, it would just be labeled an outlier and dismissed and there would be nothing anybody could do about it.
 
Byakuya is 1.29c (FTL), controlling Bankai it doubles its speed 2.58c (FTL).

Gerard God Size was able to react to that without any problem and Kenpachi was able to keep up with him one on one, so he climbs.
 
USklaverei said:
Byakuya is 1.29c (FTL), controlling Bankai it doubles its speed 2.58c (FTL).
Gerard God Size was able to react to that without any problem and Kenpachi was able to keep up with him one on one, so he climbs.
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didnt tsukishima in full bring arc say that byakuyas controlled bankai feels much faster than two times ?
 
Naeblis495 said:
yeah but we don't know how much faster it actually became. So 2x is all we can give him .
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as he used the word "much" and then byakuya in tybw goes to the royale palace a x3 should be safe shouldnt it?
 
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