Big Fairy Tail AP and Speed CRT 2

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

So CNBA3 made a bunch of calcs that add a bunch of upgrades to the chracters, since 3 calc members agreed to his cals, that means we need to discuss whether or not the calcs are outliers or not and if they make sense in the story, as well my Deus Sema Calc has been upgraded

Here are the Results of the Calcs:

AP:

Element Four Abyss Break = 330.78 Kilotons (Large Town level) "Still in Discussion"

Iced Shell's Strength = 1.46 Megatons (Small City level) "Still in Discussion"

Irene's Deus Sema = 500 Gigatons (Large Island level+) "ACCEPTED"

Wall's First Attack = 11.69 Teratons (Country level) "Widely seen as an Oulier"

Wall's Etherio = 724.88 Teratons (Large Country level) "Widely seen as an Oulier"

Irene's Universe One = 862.96 Teratons (Continent level) "Widely seen as a hax feat and an Oulier"

SPEED:

POF Erza's Speed = 1% SoL (Sub-Relativistic) "ACCEPTED"

Natsu dodges Sting's Laser = 7% SoL (Sub-Relativistic+) "Widely seen as an Oulier"

So let's discuss

 

[The_Calaca]

What doesn't convince me it's the Element 4's feat. It's far higher than feats from people stronger than them.

 

[Schnee_One]

To be fair, the 7C feats were performed rather casually IIRC

At least for Zancrow, Gray was exhausted

 

[The_Calaca]

What happened to the Edolas explosion?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

The Element Four with all their power together powered a Robot that was casting Abyss Break, so 1/4 of the Abyss Break's Power would scale to Juvia, which would scale to other characters

 

[The_Calaca]

I'm not questioning the scaling but the feat being not an outlier.

I'm probably be misremembering something but there's two 7-C and one High 7-C that is below this one and came in Edolas.

 

[Captain_Torch]

I already said that I'm against the Abyss Break calc because of the method used(which shouldn't be applicable in this situation). Honestly, I disagree with every calc CNBA made so far.

@Calaca

I found an issuew with my Edolas calc, so the feat isn't applicable anymore.

 

[The_Calaca]

Okay. Do you know how should Abyss Break calc be?

 

[1997KD]

• iceshell is hax idk why we using it as ap(not agree with it)
• abyss break- possibly look good, since jellal was going to destroy TOH
• wahl 1st attack i am leanimg towards yes
• wahl etherion- agree being outlier
• irene u1-the best we can add in her profile is continental lvl via universe one.(i will wait for more input)
• sting laser ddoging fewt- neutral

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I disagree with scaling any of his calcs to anyone except Abyss Break, but if it has issues with the calc itself, then I'll disagree, but 4 Calc Members agreed to the calc, so what's exactly wrong with it

 

[The_Calaca]

Don't ask me Mashima. You already know what I think about you. >:C

In my opinion Abyss Break it's the same as Sting's laser. Valid or not it might be an outlier at that point.

 

[BlackeJan]

Well the reason I disagree with AB cause it needs elements to even be created, doesn't matter how strong or weak u are as long as u have what ya need. This also would explain how Jelllal could make it simce he knows variety of elemental spells (yes I said it many times but have to keep doing it so we get more people on here to talk about it)

EDIT: we just only need to talk about Abyss Break then why once thats talked and done we move on to Ice Shell

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Some of these shouldn't be outliers. They're just not accepted/not legit. Now if they were legit they'd be outliers but that's besides the point.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

@1997KD

Trust me if we had consistent 6-B Spriggan Feats I would be thrilled, but not only is the feat stronger than a far stronger characters strongest attack, but there is no other 6-B calc to support it, so it is 100% Outlier, now we still have 100 Year Quest, if characters can consistently damage the Dragon Gods, we could have High 6-B to 6-A for a lot of characters

 

[Captain_Torch]

What wrong with the calc is the assumption he used to do it. He calced the volume using the Cathedral's height and the town's radius, and then applied the pulverisation value. This can only be used in crater calcs(and his calc assumes that Abyss Break makes a crater as high as the cathedral). For this kind of calcs, the normal NTF method should be used.

 

[CNBA3]

What doesn't convince me it's the Element 4's feat. It's far higher than feats from people stronger than them.

Not really, they are still weaker than Erza who is at Ten Wizard Sain Level strong

@Captain, no, this calc is for how much damage is inflicted in the given volume of the area, you assume it is an explosion which would generate shock waves, which all we know is just a darkness kind of attack, which doesn't really pan out as an explosion, and I use the height of the Cathedral because otherwise the othe height would be from the robot itself

 

[CNBA3]

• iceshell is hax idk why we using it as ap(not agree with it)
• abyss break- possibly look good, since jellal was going to destroy TOH
• wahl 1st attack i am leanimg towards yes
• wahl etherion- agree being outlier
• irene u1-the best we can add in her profile is continental lvl via universe one.(i will wait for more input)
• sting laser ddoging fewt- neutral

Iced Shell is still being hit with all the energy of the moonlight which scales to Ur, which would be the standard strength of the Ten Wizard Saints.

I do not see how Wall's Etherion should be considered outlier, seeing as there are mor powerful feats of stats out there.

 

[1997KD]

Moon drip is a spl hax desing to melt any ice, liqufied mol drip melt idsm ice at su village,is not affected by ap.

 

[CNBA3]

Moon drip is a spl hax desing to melt any ice, liqufied mol drip melt idsm ice at su village,is not affected by ap.

Moon Drip just makes the ice meltable, it doesn't instantly dispell the Ice Shell which all other dispell magics does, it takes time and uses the moonlight to power it, it is no different than a laser pointer melting a block of ice, it's slow but still melts, that liquid form is very much likely the liquid membrane that hovered over the island, even liquid of a certain type or condition can melt ice. this is no different, there is science

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

No, but it's described, Moon Drip is the only thing that can melt Iced Shell, Iced Shell doesn't scale to anyone AP wise

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Ice Shell is like...one spell. It doesn't even scale to Ur normal ap.

 

[1997KD]

Moon Drip just makes the ice meltable, it doesn't instantly dispell the Ice Shell which all other dispell magics does, it takes time and uses the moonlight to power it, it is no different than a laser pointer melting a block of ice, it's slow but still melts, that liquid form is very much likely the liquid membrane that hovered over the island, even liquid of a certain type or condition can melt ice. this is no different, there is science

If you have enough liquify moon drip, it will melt all iceshell instantly

 

[CNBA3]

No, but it's described, Moon Drip is the only thing that can melt Iced Shell, Iced Shell doesn't scale to anyone AP wise

It does as Ur is at the level of the Ten wizard Saints.

Homu Sweet Homu, it does as that is Ur who cased it, and it does attack the target, and scales to Ten wizard saints

1997KD, then you use the mass energy equivalence for that to work, besides judging from the size of the village, there is not enough to melt all the ice

The fact that Deliora could not overpower it tells it's stat

 

[The_Calaca]

IIRC sombedy said that if Ur didn't died then she would be a TWS at that point of the story.

 

[CNBA3]

IIRC sombedy said that if Ur didn't died then she would be a TWS at that point of the story.

Not sure what TWS means but it is true that Ur did not die, she is still alive

 

[The_Calaca]

Ten Wizard Saints.

Being ice isn't being alive in my dictionary. But that's besides the point.

 

[CNBA3]

It does when the story states otherwise, she continues to live on as the ice, even as the ocean after it melts as she speaks to Ultear about her past.

Speaking of Ultear, her arc of time does not work on living things, that is why it does not work on Iced Shell because that is Ur her mother

 

[The_Calaca]

But that's besides the point.

 

[CNBA3]

Oh, I thought you were saying otherwise

 

[BlackeJan]

Well at least we are talking about Ice Shell...

 

[CNBA3]

And then we can get back to the other feats

 

[1997KD]

I have a question We all know spriggen(atleast 9) are scale to each other, but can we say same for wahl who can tranform? It's nore like how neinhart get boosted by irene. Which change their scalling

 

[Captain_Torch]

The Spriggans were stated to all be equal, so their strongest forms should be equal to each other(for example: Base Wahl < Assault Wahl = Ajeel)

 

[1997KD]

Well i highly doubt about it

 

[BlackeJan]

No they are equal to each their in base, transformation is up in the air though

 

[The_Calaca]

Blacke is correct. It makes no sense that every transformation coming from different sources and abilities provides the same powerup. It's not the Super Saiyan transformation.

 

[CNBA3]

Not really, seeing as not all of them can transform or not, and a few can effect others with certain Magic, even while transformed they should still scale to one another even with statements, with the exception Of Larcade, August and Irene. Seeing as Neinhart can raise three Spriggans where their strength is reduced (likely 1/3 their former strength), so they should still scale to each other.

 

[Captain_Torch]

Brandish literally said that the other Spruggans are equal to her. Also the power of Spriggans has been consistently compared to Brandish by FT members.

Besides, the transformations is the Spriggans "going all out". It doesnt make sense for the likes of Wahl, Bradman and Invel to be stronger than the likes of Brandish just because they have a transformation.

 

[CNBA3]

I agree, that is just them going all out, full power, compared to their not even trying or somewhat serious

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Iirc, Brandish said they are capable of something similar to the Caracole feat at the very least, not that they were equal. A few of them got compared to her magic power wise so they would share the same AP but some are clearly of a different strength like Neinhart being stated to be the weakest physically and needed to be amped by Irene to fight other Spriggans seeing as his magic depends on the opponent.